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22re manifold glowing orange
« on: Dec 15, 2016, 11:00:04 AM »
alright guys i got another head scratcher on the road to finish this 87 4runner. i hydrolocked the 22re on thuis 87 4runner only 3 weeks into owning her and i had a new motor built by a buddy's machine shop. timing was at tdc and double checked actually triple checked but my exhaust manifold is glowing red after a short drive down the street. she idles great i had a new cat converter installed thinking that was issue she was plugged up that did not cure the issue so i cut off the muffler thinking maybe she was clogged with mud like the cat no luck. the manifold had a few leaks and issues so i ordered a new one off eBay and installed her all leaks gone still glowing. i have double checked all the vacuum lines and they are good i pulled off the line to the egr to see if that was coming on to soon or clogged no change. disconnected the lines going to the vsv and all hooked direct to manifold vacuum still  glowing red. i am at a loss buddy swears injectors but why would she drive fine? i have no check engine light or codes any info is appreciated. i have unplugged the 02 to see if that made a difference and it made a small improvement not big still glowed i also adjusted the maf 3 teeth and still having issue.
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #1 on: Dec 15, 2016, 11:04:50 AM »
Timing issue?

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #2 on: Dec 15, 2016, 11:06:32 AM »
i have checked the timing 3 times and it is all good once i pull the jumper wire she shoots to just about 12 degrees.
1983 Toyota pickup Sr5 6 inch shackle lift 33 super swampers 4:88 gears front and rear locked in the rear 22r high lift air tank tools and other junk(sold)
1987 4runner ifs 3 inch pro comp lift 33" TSL swampers and a cherry bomb exhaust(sold)
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #3 on: Dec 15, 2016, 01:38:34 PM »
Take a good look at your harmonic balancer. The outer portion might have slipped on the rubber.
So it looks like your at 12deg but really your at ???
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #4 on: Dec 15, 2016, 02:47:33 PM »
after doing some looking it may be that the shop that built set it 180 degrees out. i read a write up where the guy had to rotate the block 2 times for the timing mark to be on 0 then he re timed it
1983 Toyota pickup Sr5 6 inch shackle lift 33 super swampers 4:88 gears front and rear locked in the rear 22r high lift air tank tools and other junk(sold)
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1987 4runner Sr5 current sas build
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=101170.new#new

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #5 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:59:08 AM »
have you pulled a spark plug? checking for excessive lean/rich condition.
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #6 on: Dec 16, 2016, 09:56:39 AM »
With my old 3.0L  I once had the distributor in 180 out and the manifolds were glowing until i reset the timing properly.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #7 on: Dec 16, 2016, 12:51:44 PM »
With my old 3.0L  I once had the distributor in 180 out and the manifolds were glowing until i reset the timing properly.

when you say distributor was 180 you mean the crank had to spin or just the distributor?
1983 Toyota pickup Sr5 6 inch shackle lift 33 super swampers 4:88 gears front and rear locked in the rear 22r high lift air tank tools and other junk(sold)
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #9 on: Dec 16, 2016, 04:09:56 PM »
Take a good look at your harmonic balancer. The outer portion might have slipped on the rubber.
So it looks like your at 12deg but really your at ???


The front pulley on my 86 is solid and doesn't have any rubber..............
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SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
Mudder [08:28 PM]:   not try to be a jerk, but are you serious bestgen?
Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #11 on: Dec 16, 2016, 06:56:53 PM »
http://www.underhoodservice.com/harmonic-dampeners-fail-look/
Harmonic balancer description and failure write up.
I am 1/5th of Perfect Fit
SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
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Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
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H8PVMNT [03:30 PM]: I can go both ways.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #12 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:00:47 PM »
I've yet to find any rubber on a 22re crankshaft pulley other than the oil seal. Plus how would it slip if it's keyed?

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #14 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:07:33 PM »
I've yet to find any rubber on a 22re crankshaft pulley other than the oil seal. Plus how would it slip if it's keyed?

Look at the link and 4th picture and it should make sense. Back side view of balancer.
I am 1/5th of Perfect Fit
SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
Mudder [08:28 PM]:   not try to be a jerk, but are you serious bestgen?
Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
H8PVMNT [03:30 PM]: I can go both ways.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #15 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:17:14 PM »
Look at the link and 4th picture and it should make sense. Back side view of balancer.

That's metal as well. I only know that because some of it got bent on an install/removal and made a horrible scrapping noise until I found it.
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #16 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:49:47 PM »
I sandblasted mine and painted it on my 22re
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #17 on: Dec 16, 2016, 07:52:05 PM »
That's metal as well. I only know that because some of it got bent on an install/removal and made a horrible scrapping noise until I found it.


Search 22re balancer slip
Plenty of people have experience it.

after doing some looking it may be that the shop that built set it 180 degrees out. i read a write up where the guy had to rotate the block 2 times for the timing mark to be on 0 then he re timed it

Hope you have checked your balancer by now.
If you have and it checks out good.
The next item to check is the Idl circuit of the tps sensor. The computer will not bring the timing to base timing unless
It can see a closed throttle using the idle circuit of the tps sensor. Makes it impossible to set the timing.


I am 1/5th of Perfect Fit
SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
Mudder [08:28 PM]:   not try to be a jerk, but are you serious bestgen?
Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
H8PVMNT [03:30 PM]: I can go both ways.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #18 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:03:27 PM »

I sure hope this will finish the issue of the 22re harmonic balancer.
I am 1/5th of Perfect Fit
SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
Mudder [08:28 PM]:   not try to be a jerk, but are you serious bestgen?
Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
H8PVMNT [03:30 PM]: I can go both ways.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #19 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:07:34 PM »

I sure hope this will finish the issue of the 22re harmonic balancer.

IIRC that is held on by 4 bolts to the front two pulleys.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #20 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:14:10 PM »
IIRC that is held on by 4 bolts to the front two pulleys.

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I've done what I can to explain
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SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
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Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #21 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:17:21 PM »
I give
I've done what I can to explain

What you're basically trying to explain by using that video is that the back portion could've broken lose from the rest of the pulley correct?

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #22 on: Dec 16, 2016, 08:19:52 PM »
What you're basically trying to explain by using that video is that the back portion could've broken lose from the rest of the pulley correct?
Or rotated enough to give an inaccurate timing measurement.
I am 1/5th of Perfect Fit
SqWADoosh [04:19 PM]: *sigh* I guess Chris is right and I just need to wait until I'm in a place where I have a tow rig and trailer before I get this caliber of truck
Mudder [08:28 PM]:   not try to be a jerk, but are you serious bestgen?
Prismo [06:11 PM]:   Done, time to relax or as Bestgen says....FREEDOM!
HogCanyonHopper [06:54 PM]:   I like my little rod. it gets the job done
H8PVMNT [03:30 PM]: I can go both ways.

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #23 on: Dec 17, 2016, 10:39:07 PM »
when you say distributor was 180 you mean the crank had to spin or just the distributor?

Just the distributor. 

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Re: 22re manifold glowing orange
« Reply #24 on: Dec 19, 2016, 12:00:52 PM »
so i have  figured out the issue i completely went through everything and not wanting to believe it the shop did the timing 1 tooth off letting the truck run but a lean condition. she is running great now no issues and has tons of balls. now to break in the new motor.
1983 Toyota pickup Sr5 6 inch shackle lift 33 super swampers 4:88 gears front and rear locked in the rear 22r high lift air tank tools and other junk(sold)
1987 4runner ifs 3 inch pro comp lift 33" TSL swampers and a cherry bomb exhaust(sold)
1987 4runner Sr5 current sas build
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=101170.new#new

 
 
 
 
 

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