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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #270 on: Jan 31, 2009, 09:30:07 AM »
So i just got my stuff in and they sent the wrong ram :mad:. before i call on Monday, any one have any issues with the 36" lines, thinking about getting some 48" lines? they look like they might not be long enough? o and is every one just using power steering fluid or something different?
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #271 on: Jan 31, 2009, 07:35:18 PM »
From what I've read- most folks are recommending running what the PUMP likes. I have the stock toy pump so its Dexron ATF for me and the ram doesnt care.

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #272 on: Feb 04, 2009, 12:13:04 PM »
has anyone ever put hydro assist on IFS?  if so is it any different?  Pros? Cons?
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #273 on: Feb 04, 2009, 09:08:55 PM »
ya that what rack and pinion steering is for the most part, so any toyota truck after 1997(i think)
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #274 on: Feb 05, 2009, 07:50:39 AM »
sorry i meant 86-95 IFS so it would be using the same concept as hydro assist on a SAS, with a tapped steering box and a ram.
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #275 on: Feb 05, 2009, 08:15:02 AM »
i know, i was not trying to be an ace sorry. I have not heard of it but i bet you could really easily. Trying to see it in my mind. i think you could attach the ram to your inner frame? like Marlin's steering stabilizer
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #276 on: Feb 06, 2009, 12:33:13 PM »

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #277 on: Feb 06, 2009, 12:43:49 PM »
The bigger the ram the slower it will move. Its a volume issue
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #278 on: Feb 06, 2009, 01:46:25 PM »
i know, i was not trying to be an ace sorry. I have not heard of it but i bet you could really easily. Trying to see it in my mind. i think you could attach the ram to your inner frame? like Marlin's steering stabilizer

you werent no offense was taken  thanks for your help
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #279 on: Feb 06, 2009, 01:58:07 PM »
OK, big question, ATF or power steering fluid??  I used synthetic PS fluid when I first put my system together.  Long story short, I broke my ram and had PSC repair it.  The system is now dry.  Should I switch to ATF to save the pump from potentially leaking after using PS fluid??  Mix ATF and PS half and half?  I've heard rumors that ATF is basically PS fluid with some red tint  :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #280 on: Feb 08, 2009, 09:04:40 PM »
I am, and have been running 50/50 with on issues for years. I have not put my ram on so I don't know how it will do but my pump likes what's in it so that what I am sticking with. I went 50/50 because ATF will keep every thing cleaner. Just did not have enough balls to go full ATF really but it like it so...  I dont think they are the same maybe close but not the same.
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #281 on: Feb 09, 2009, 05:00:07 AM »
NO they are not the same. If you have a Toyota box, PS fluid will make it leak....I  seen it happen


Your owners manual specifies ATF only for the  power steering system
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #282 on: Feb 09, 2009, 02:34:43 PM »
I have neeeever used anything else than ATF
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #283 on: Feb 09, 2009, 08:49:20 PM »
NO they are not the same. If you have a Toyota box, PS fluid will make it leak....I  seen it happen


Your owners manual specifies ATF only for the  power steering system

Will the hydro ram work fine on ATF?  PSC calls for PS fluid in their rams. 
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #284 on: Feb 10, 2009, 12:26:08 PM »
works like a charm for me
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #285 on: Feb 16, 2009, 07:40:18 PM »
finished my hydro install sunday night,but its not working very well.  I crank the truck ,worked the steering back and forth to work the air out but I don't think that its going to work. the how to wright up was great and the conversion worked good,but I am having trouble bleeding air out of the system. Does any one have any suggestions?

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #286 on: Feb 17, 2009, 06:01:42 AM »
ATF works fine for me.  Chevy pump, Toy box, and a ram.

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #287 on: Feb 17, 2009, 06:37:40 AM »
ATF  (automatic trans fluid )?   in stock toy power steering?

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #288 on: Feb 17, 2009, 06:49:49 AM »
 :help:my rams a hang-in low and am waiting for the air to work out any more ideas?

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #289 on: Feb 17, 2009, 01:18:15 PM »
Scott- be patient. It took me 4 DAYS of bleeding every few hours to work properly. Also, as a note, the ram really needs the pump to be in high pressure to work correctly. If the wheels are off the ground that happens when you hit the stops. Sorry if you already knew that, but just wanted to make sure.

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #290 on: Feb 17, 2009, 07:50:48 PM »
i let it set all night and today,then i turned lock to lock 5 or 6  times. took it off the jacks and it works good now,thanks for the info, great thread.

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #291 on: Feb 19, 2009, 11:16:06 AM »
Scott- be patient. It took me 4 DAYS of bleeding every few hours to work properly. Also, as a note, the ram really needs the pump to be in high pressure to work correctly. If the wheels are off the ground that happens when you hit the stops. Sorry if you already knew that, but just wanted to make sure.

Yea I think it took about a day and a half for mine to bleed out.....
Ya gotta think the capacity is pretty much 2-3 times more...maybe more with all the lines, ram, cooler, larger reservoir, etc..

lots of nooks and crannys for air to hide in!

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #292 on: Feb 22, 2009, 07:45:42 PM »
Well i got mine all hooked up and ready to rock and i did not have to bleed it at all  :banana:. Before i installed every thing i filled it all with atf. took some pix of the drilled and taped holes.
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #293 on: Mar 01, 2009, 08:56:22 PM »
It would be nice if everyone who did this posted pictures of their set up. Particularly how they mounted the ram. It would be cool to see the different mount ideas used.
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #294 on: Mar 02, 2009, 07:20:55 AM »
Good idea, I will also post up some pics tonight of how I ran the lines and ram
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #295 on: Mar 24, 2009, 12:58:55 AM »
anyone using this ram?
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009032402294531&item=9-7258-6&catname=hydraulic

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edit ports on the one above are sae 6? the other one used by most is 3/8..
wtf is sae? same as jic or npt?
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« Reply #296 on: Mar 24, 2009, 06:08:47 AM »
sae 6 is also 3/8  (1/16 per number 2=1/8, 4=1/4)  in a 37* flare I believe and also parallel thread.  I could be wrong cause I try to make all my hydraulics (home and work) JIC.    Easy enough to find fittings for regardless.

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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #297 on: Mar 24, 2009, 03:11:39 PM »
-6 AN is the same as #6 JIC.  NPT is different than AN / JIC.

I'll post some pics of my new hydro assist diff bracket.  It works better than my old setup.

I also got a run in on my assist with ATF.  Maybe it was just me but my steering seemed to work better when I was running syn. PS fluid.  I seem to get way more pump whine with ATF.  I also seem to get some weird feeling spots in the steering (hard to explain).  When turning the wheel, certain spots seem to be "more grabby" and the pump whines louder than normal.  I think if I added a larger reservoir that some of these problems would go away.
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #298 on: Mar 24, 2009, 03:35:33 PM »
thanks guys that helps out. Everyone should post more pictures of their setups....
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Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
« Reply #299 on: Mar 26, 2009, 01:42:19 AM »
this is way cool. It makes me want to weld up my front just so i can go hyrdo assist to see how nice it is lol

 
 
 
 
 

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