Topic: Egyptian TV Reaction to Obama

[H8PVMNT]

Probably right.  I think we should start a "Lubrication Station" category somewhere, to post threads related to oils and greases.  Who knows we might get that one dude from the bacon thread back.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

I use backwoods goop for my lubrication needs

[SqWADoosh]

Starting in the 70's, sea levels were predicted to rise by a minimum of 6 inches by the year 2000. You want to know something amazing? They haven't risen at all. NOAA, NASA, UCSD, OSU (Oregon), and WSU all have records confirming this. In fact, one of my elective pieces during my undergrad work was with  the Oregon Coast Aquarium doing a break water study on mollusks. During the study, one of the simple facts I recall was that the ocean was not rising, period.
Get off the Koolaid.

Interesting....

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/FS069E/FS069E.pdf

http://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/adapting-changing-ocean-preparing-sea-level-rise

http://ceoas.oregonstate.edu/features/sealevel/

Pretty sure every single one of these organizations you say that back up your claim say otherwise....

[Rockcrawlintoy]

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/


I wish we had info for the last 20000 years not just the last 130 years

[SqWADoosh]

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/


I wish we had info for the last 20000 years not just the last 130 years

We do have information for that time frame (carbon dating, etc.). Human impact on the earth has only been impacting it for the last 130 years. Anything prior to that (prior to industrial revolution) was a flat line. If you think the earth is changing at the this rate at this speed naturally, I'm sorry but that just is not the case. The earth does go through cycles but it does so over millions of years not over hundreds.

[ecrum428]

Thought I heard somewhere that the south pole was actually gaining ice not melting this year.

[blackdiamond]

We do have information for that time frame (carbon dating, etc.). Human impact on the earth has only been impacting it for the last 130 years. Anything prior to that (prior to industrial revolution) was a flat line. If you think the earth is changing at the this rate at this speed naturally, I'm sorry but that just is not the case. The earth does go through cycles but it does so over millions of years not over hundreds.

In his defense, carbon dating relies heavily on extrapolation and linear assumptions.  There are quite a few examples of things that have a known timeframe that have been carbon dated to millions of years prior.  Carbon dating relies on a static model and excludes any catastrophic events that can rapidly change things.  I'm not saying that you're wrong, just that carbon dating isn't an all an exact science.

[redneckcustoms13]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0

[mr jits]

Interesting....

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/FS069E/FS069E.pdf

http://scripps.ucsd.edu/news/adapting-changing-ocean-preparing-sea-level-rise

http://ceoas.oregonstate.edu/features/sealevel/

Pretty sure every single one of these organizations you say that back up your claim say otherwise....

Here, read these: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
I'm not going to get into a drawn out debate with an obvious alarmist type such as yourself, but you really should look into the articles you posted. The data provided in all of the articles is based upon projected and modeled data, not classical data collection. Also, NASA recently got caught red handed changing data related to climate change related issues (including past temperature and.... sea level recordings), so I would not take what they say with any credence.

[SqWADoosh]

Here, read these: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/09/24/alarmists-are-in-way-over-their-heads-on-rising-ocean-claims/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
I'm not going to get into a drawn out debate with an obvious alarmist type such as yourself, but you really should look into the articles you posted. The data provided in all of the articles is based upon projected and modeled data, not classical data collection. Also, NASA recently got caught red handed changing data related to climate change related issues (including past temperature and.... sea level recordings), so I would not take what they say with any credence.

So first they were all credible and now they are not? 

Pardon me if I don't buy that the entire scientific community is lying.

[jimbo74]

we are all going to die

[Rocksurfer]

For all those that think we are responsible for global warming may I suggest that you be the first ones to take steps to change this, do away with anything and everything that may be part of the cause.....   hope to see you sitting naked, starving to death on the side of the road. Also no farting either. Maybe global warming is a fact but I think the ice age would have something to say on this issue.

[SqWADoosh]

The US reduced its pollution problem years ago. The problem  lies with Asia. Of course we can do better as well.  Things such as switching to solar and hydro power plants as well as things such as the advent of electric cars are going to help with that.

At no point did I say we are all going to die. Its not about us. Its about leaving a habitable earth for our children and grandchildren. I don't know how to fix it. What I'm advocating is listening to and funding those that are intelligent and educated enough to know. It cracks me up that so many people are so adamant that it is not happening and that its all bull crap. What do you have to go off of? Fox news? The Koch brothers and their web of lies? Listening to the sources that are funded by those that stand to lose money is never an unbiased point of view. Where as the scientific community has nothing to gain but to possibly help save the planet for the generations to come. They are also the only side with data to back up their claims.

[Rockcrawlintoy]

The US reduced its pollution problem years ago. The problem  lies with Asia. Of course we can do better as well.  Things such as switching to solar and hydro power plants as well as things such as the advent of electric cars are going to help with that

We outsourced our pollution problem to Asia. When was the last large scale hydro plant built? Environmentalist will probably never let another be built in the US. Due to environmental impact. And electric cars are far from clean. The mining if the exotic material to build the cars is very polluting again we exported this to Asia and Mexico for the lithium. Then there is an issue of power production to power the cars. I know many wind farms will lay idle because they are providing more power that is needed and it is much easier to turn them off rather than turning off a coal or gas power plant.

[blackdiamond]

We outsourced our pollution problem to Asia. When was the last large scale hydro plant built? Environmentalist will probably never let another be built in the US. Due to environmental impact. And electric cars are far from clean. The mining if the exotic material to build the cars is very polluting again we exported this to Asia and Mexico for the lithium. Then there is an issue of power production to power the cars. I know many wind farms will lay idle because they are providing more power that is needed and it is much easier to turn them off rather than turning off a coal or gas power plant.

You're right about electric cars (and hybrids) not quite being as environmentally friendly as many believe them to be.  The electricity still has to be generated and I think in most cases it comes from a source that isn't as environmentally friendly as a low emission vehicle.  Technology like this is still good because it promotes new developments and improvements.

The Toyota Mirai is an interesting concept, but I'm not sure where you fill up with hydrogen or what the process is for producing it.  Iceland has hydrogen fuel stations that, I believe, produce it onsite.

[emsvitil [OP]]

You can't driver your car because you'll pollute but..............

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/california-natural-gas-leak-methane-climate-change-old-infrastructure

[Snowtoy]

Listening to the sources that are funded by those that stand to lose money is never an unbiased point of view. Where as the scientific community has nothing to gain but to possibly help save the planet for the generations to come. They are also the only side with data to back up their claims.

This, unfortunately is no longer true, the "age of the nerd" has turned scientists into rock stars, many of whom are willing to fudge numbers to retain/gain more funding, or their fleeting fame, not to mention the politicians on both sides of the isle looking to profit from issue.  Al Gore becoming the spokesperson for global warming, or now climate change, along with other d-bags like Moore, Pelosi, Obama, etc., has destroyed a lot of the credibility the movement had, hard to take it seriously when its leadership are hypocrites.

[Rocksurfer]

I love seeing all the Tesla's at the charging stations, you know why they are all there? Because it is too expensive to charge them at home, not only that but it will also put you in the over user bracket and bump up the rate you pay even more.