Author Topic: SqWADoosh's 85 Runner Build Thread (Read 322333 times)

OTO Phil · « **Reply #1200 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 01:25:48 AM »

From the horizon on some of those pics, it looks like some of those spots were even steeper!
What an awesome experience! Both lockers at all times? Or were you able to get away with using only a rear locker at times?

mudmaster · « **Reply #1201 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 08:58:53 AM »

Quote from: excabswap on Apr 30, 2016, 01:25:48 AM

From the horizon on some of those pics, it looks like some of those spots were even steeper!
What an awesome experience! Both lockers at all times? Or were you able to get away with using only a rear locker at times?

No lockers at times!

blackdiamond · « **Reply #1202 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 10:42:53 AM »

Matt and I just left Provo, UT, after a stop at Discount Tire. They guy said, "Didn't we do this last year?"

Chris should be home tonight, they rolled out last night and drove late.

We did Behind the Rocks, Sevenmile Rim, Pickle, and Elephant Hill after you all left. White Knuckle has gotten worse and we all had to winch, it wasn't close. Rob attempted a climb of Nose Dive and we winched him there as well. The dirt from the rain was certainly a factor, but it just may be too big now for us.

My passenger rear shock worked the lower bolt out so I had to remove it for the trip back to town to get another bolt.

blackdiamond · « **Reply #1203 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 11:07:09 AM »

The weather was a bit surprising, but I probably should have thought to remind you to be prepared for cold weather. You were camped at a higher elevation and you just never know. I had two pairs of pants, rain pants, an insulated jacket, etc., and I stayed in a cabin. I had it primarily for cold morning and evening trips on the highway with tube doors.

The weather on Thursday was nasty, but Friday was great.

BigBluePile · « **Reply #1204 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 11:27:32 AM »

Well, it's a high desert climate so.....😱

Amazing trip guys, what a great experience! It's been like 20+ years since the last time I was in Moab. Thanks for sharing the pics!!!!

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SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1205 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 01:11:24 PM »

Quote from: BigBluePile on Apr 30, 2016, 11:27:32 AM

Well, it's a high desert climate so.....😱

Amazing trip guys, what a great experience! It's been like 20+ years since the last time I was in Moab. Thanks for sharing the pics!!!!

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Lessons were learned for the next trip that is for sure.

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1206 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 01:17:30 PM »

Boom!

bigarms23 · « **Reply #1207 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 01:55:36 PM »

looks like a fun trip

BigBluePile · « **Reply #1208 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 03:57:09 PM »

Saaaaahweeeet!

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mdtrail-toy · « **Reply #1209 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 06:27:45 PM »

Awesome video

tiddlerman · « **Reply #1210 on:** Apr 30, 2016, 08:18:57 PM »

nice pics and video. love all the clean rigs! on the bucket list for sure

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SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1211 on:** May 03, 2016, 06:45:02 PM »

84 yota dude · « **Reply #1212 on:** May 04, 2016, 02:18:49 PM »

Who owns the gray 4runner with the red beadlocks? Dang that's a clean crawler..love it!

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1213 on:** May 04, 2016, 03:48:30 PM »

Quote from: 84 yota dude on May 04, 2016, 02:18:49 PM

Who owns the gray 4runner with the red beadlocks? Dang that's a clean crawler..love it!

He isn't on the board. A buddy of mine named Chris. It is a very clean rig. I'll give him your props next time I see him

megaphoneman · « **Reply #1214 on:** May 05, 2016, 11:12:09 AM »

nice video!!

:)bestgen4runner · « **Reply #1215 on:** May 06, 2016, 05:40:41 PM »

I'm on the board now.

Plan to become an active member.

blackdiamond · « **Reply #1216 on:** May 06, 2016, 06:23:40 PM »

Quote from: :)bestgen4runner on May 06, 2016, 05:40:41 PM

I'm on the board now.
Plan to become an active member.

Is there a new day in the week to give you more time?

:)bestgen4runner · « **Reply #1217 on:** May 06, 2016, 09:11:08 PM »

Nope, just want to follow threw.

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1218 on:** May 07, 2016, 12:46:04 AM »

Quote from: :)bestgen4runner on May 06, 2016, 09:11:08 PM

Nope, just want to follow threw.

Where da build thread at homie?

63W · « **Reply #1219 on:** May 07, 2016, 04:07:03 PM »

Hey sqWADoosh how do you like your arb fridge/freezer?

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1220 on:** May 07, 2016, 04:55:18 PM »

Quote from: 63W on May 07, 2016, 04:07:03 PM

Hey sqWADoosh how do you like your arb fridge/freezer?

It is not mine. I borrowed it from a friend. That being said I am buying one ASAP if that tells you enough

63W · « **Reply #1221 on:** May 07, 2016, 05:08:11 PM »

Quote from: SqWADoosh on May 07, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

It is not mine. I borrowed it from a friend. That being said I am buying one ASAP if that tells you enough

Yeah I've been looking at them myself. What size you going with?

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1222 on:** May 07, 2016, 07:19:37 PM »

Quote from: 63W on May 07, 2016, 05:08:11 PM

Yeah I've been looking at them myself. What size you going with?

I'm going to get the dometic 63 QT dual zone.

mudmaster · « **Reply #1223 on:** May 09, 2016, 06:27:44 AM »

Quote from: :)bestgen4runner on May 06, 2016, 05:40:41 PM

I'm on the board now.
Plan to become an active member.

Bout time........

txlonghorn · « **Reply #1224 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:28:34 PM »

Awesome pics and vids. So beautiful. Would love to make it up there sometime. Will spend more time watching them when I can.

Have done lots of reading in your thread and enjoyed the build up. You are tackling several of the issues that I foresee in the future for myself. So thanks for documenting everything so well!

Several questions about your suspension... I appreciate your time in answering them. You have an 85 and the low-profile Allpro hanger, yes? Did you weld the hanger in the same place as OEM hangers sit or did you move it forward? How far forward would you say your front axle is moved forward from stock (gained from hanger and Allpro leafs)? How many inches of up-travel do you have before you smack your pitman arm? Any measurements from ground to frame at your transfer case?

I also have an 85 and am in the process of fine-tuning my ride height to fit my 37s. I have OME leafs up front (2.5"-3") lift and only have 2.5" of up-travel with the OEM spring hanger. Thinking about a drop hanger or swapping to the Allpro leafs to gain an inch or more of uptravel and bump the axle another .5" forward. Would love to know how your setup sits. Thanks.

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1225 on:** May 11, 2016, 07:03:23 AM »

Quote from: txlonghorn on May 10, 2016, 05:28:34 PM

Awesome pics and vids. So beautiful. Would love to make it up there sometime. Will spend more time watching them when I can.

Have done lots of reading in your thread and enjoyed the build up. You are tackling several of the issues that I foresee in the future for myself. So thanks for documenting everything so well!

Several questions about your suspension... I appreciate your time in answering them. You have an 85 and the low-profile Allpro hanger, yes? Did you weld the hanger in the same place as OEM hangers sit or did you move it forward? How far forward would you say your front axle is moved forward from stock (gained from hanger and Allpro leafs)? How many inches of up-travel do you have before you smack your pitman arm? Any measurements from ground to frame at your transfer case?

I also have an 85 and am in the process of fine-tuning my ride height to fit my 37s. I have OME leafs up front (2.5"-3") lift and only have 2.5" of up-travel with the OEM spring hanger. Thinking about a drop hanger or swapping to the Allpro leafs to gain an inch or more of uptravel and bump the axle another .5" forward. Would love to know how your setup sits. Thanks.

Thanks for the love, brother. You are correct I am running the low pro All-Pro hanger. It is welded flush with the frame not placed forward. The reason I went with the low profile hanger is I found a used pair of 5" All-Pro front springs locally for half the price of new. However I wanted to keep my truck as low as possible. So All-Pro had just come out with the low pro hanger right around this time so I spoke with them about what my goal was and that I had a 4Runner. With that the plan going forward was to utilize the combination of the low profile hanger with their new shorter 4" shackles for the front springs. What this achieves is lowering the lift height an inch. Therefore my 5" springs actually sit like 4" springs. Then I went with the 5" in the rear because you want 1 to 2" higher spring in the rear for a 4Runner due to the ass sag caused by the weight of the fiberglass top. If you carry a lot of weight in the rear then go 2" higher. However I don't so I went with a 5" spring in the rear.

The All-Pro springs move the axle forward about 1.5". I can tell you I tuck my 37s in the front with a very small amount of fender trim and the pounding in of my pinch welds. However I did have to trim my rear fenders to fit 37s. I have seen people do a very small amount of trimming on the rear fenders and tuck 37s without a problem. I took out 2" because I had pretty torn up fenders from a flop the season prior.

Now I had problems with up travel due to my pitman arm hitting my springs due to running the low profile hanger. For that reason if you are buying springs new I would just buy 4" springs in the front with a normal hanger and 1 or 2" higher in the rear. However if you do want to run the low profile hanger like me what I did to solve it was purchase the Sky's Manufacturing 3/4" less drop pitman arm. It is spendy though so it makes more sense to do what I just recommended above as the low profile hanger is the same cost as the regular and by running the regular you shouldn't have the pitman arm problem. As far as how much up travel I have I don't have a number for you there. I can tell you I fully stuff my tires and have bump stopped my up travel because any more and my springs begin reverse arching which you do not want.

I would recommend reaching out to zippo or helipilot about how to get more out of your OME leafs as both of them have experience with them and I know zippo was decently flexy with his. Best of luck buddy and get a build thread going if you haven't already!

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1226 on:** May 11, 2016, 06:33:42 PM »

Going through my moab files I found a video of our campsite at night

P.S. LiveOak this was the video I was referring to.

:)bestgen4runner · « **Reply #1227 on:** May 11, 2016, 10:17:22 PM »

omg,
I started laugh crying.
Good stuff

txlonghorn · « **Reply #1228 on:** May 12, 2016, 04:05:02 PM »

Thanks for answering my questions! I will be in contact with those guys and inquire about their experiences with the springs before I make a decision about tweaking my setup. Your experience with the Allpro springs helps me narrow things down.

I'll have to create a build thread and post up a few pics I have of the steering box placement as it sits now. I have a flat arm and have the box pretty much vertical. Axle is 1 3/8" forward from drilling holes in the spring perches. Looks like I need to move it another 1/2" forward in order to avoid having to cut up the firewall. A combination of different springs/new spring hanger is what I am looking into to fix this issue.

Unrelated question... I've seen a few pictures of your Badlands bumper together with a white 4runner with the Allpro front bumper (has plate added to it). Having seen them both, are they both stout and worth recommending? I'm considering my options and prefer very low profile (don't even need a winch) and lightweight. Allpro is one that I am considering, but might be a bit bulky with the double tube running around the corner.

Hijack over! Now off to watch your vids in Moab...

SqWADoosh · « **Reply #1229 on:** May 15, 2016, 12:56:52 PM »

Quote from: txlonghorn on May 12, 2016, 04:05:02 PM

Thanks for answering my questions! I will be in contact with those guys and inquire about their experiences with the springs before I make a decision about tweaking my setup. Your experience with the Allpro springs helps me narrow things down.

I'll have to create a build thread and post up a few pics I have of the steering box placement as it sits now. I have a flat arm and have the box pretty much vertical. Axle is 1 3/8" forward from drilling holes in the spring perches. Looks like I need to move it another 1/2" forward in order to avoid having to cut up the firewall. A combination of different springs/new spring hanger is what I am looking into to fix this issue.

Unrelated question... I've seen a few pictures of your Badlands bumper together with a white 4runner with the Allpro front bumper (has plate added to it). Having seen them both, are they both stout and worth recommending? I'm considering my options and prefer very low profile (don't even need a winch) and lightweight. Allpro is one that I am considering, but might be a bit bulky with the double tube running around the corner.

Hijack over! Now off to watch your vids in Moab...

The white 4Runner you are referring to was owned by zippo. You could talk to him about that at the same time as you ask him about his OME springs he ran. He sold that truck but he's a great guy and would be happy to answer any questions on it. As for my Badland bumper, I love that thing. It might not be the coolest looking bumper out there but I have beat the

out of it and it just shrugs it off and asks for more. No matter what bumper you go with I will tell you that you should definitely get the front of the frame, where the bumper will mount, reinforced. Almost all the aftermarket companies that sell bumpers for our trucks sell the reinforcement plate. This is what I'm referring to: http://www.addictedoffroad.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=73 I have to ask what makes you say you do not need a winch?

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