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Transmissio guru needed
« on: Nov 09, 2014, 11:38:48 AM »
Swapped a w56 into my 83 22r.  New clutch new slave.  Just pulled it back off to double check everything was good.  Anyway it doesent want to go into gear especially first and reverse.  My clutch pedal bracket is good.  Just can't figure it out .  Please help this is all the project is waiting on.  Thanks in advance!

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #1 on: Nov 09, 2014, 11:54:14 AM »
I would imagine the clutch pedal needs to be adjusted.
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #2 on: Nov 09, 2014, 01:06:43 PM »
Does the pedal have good pressure? Try pumping the clutch a few times and see if it will go into gear. Also is there any way you put the clutch disc in backwards ?

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #3 on: Nov 09, 2014, 01:12:21 PM »
Yrah, double check that the slave cylinder is engaging the clutch fork.. may have to bleed the system better.
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #4 on: Nov 09, 2014, 01:19:50 PM »
Yrah, double check that the slave cylinder is engaging the clutch fork.. may have to bleed the system better.
This is most likely the problem. The reason you have trouble with 1st and reverse is that your trying to take off from a dead stop. 2nd through 5th you have momentum so your basically speed shifting.

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #5 on: Nov 09, 2014, 03:06:27 PM »
I would bleed clutch again, sometimes they can be a pain to get air out

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #6 on: Nov 09, 2014, 03:41:37 PM »
I've bled it a total of 4 times now.  ill try again tomorrow again.  let you know how it all goes thanks for your help.

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #7 on: Nov 09, 2014, 04:35:25 PM »
Really not much else it could be :dunno:  if you have an oil can. You can connect a hose from the oil pump can to the slave cylinder bleeder and force fluid on through the bottom and the air out the top.
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #8 on: Nov 09, 2014, 04:47:11 PM »
You need a speed bleeder , thats what I have, they do make couple different length, you want the longest ones, if you need one, I might have extra
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #9 on: Nov 09, 2014, 06:56:57 PM »
Some transmissions have syncro's on first and reverse, but most of them don't.  I have a R151f trans, and most the time, I have to let out the clutch a little to allow the gears to mesh up in 1st or R.  By doing this, it rotates the gears, allowing you to be able to get it into gear. 
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #10 on: Nov 09, 2014, 09:16:21 PM »
i told you all this lol , easy stuff, your doin good man, next time im down if its still not going ill help u out.

find another body and have them push the pedal in and u look at the slave and see if its pushing the fork in and far enough to where u can hear the clutch disengaging.

and you sure u got the throwout bearing on its holder all the way and its good? did u grease the pivot ball behind the fork?



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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #11 on: Nov 10, 2014, 05:54:00 AM »
With our trucks it is actually possible to reach the clutch slave bleeding valve and the clutch pedal at the same time. I have done it before. This will allow you to see what is going on.
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #12 on: Nov 11, 2014, 08:34:58 PM »
I'm using the slave from my L50 would that be a problem?

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #13 on: Nov 12, 2014, 03:04:56 AM »
One thing to note is if you like me and the lines are cleen cos they are always off for one reson or another
When reuseing fluid (cleen due to thiskind of truble) let it sit for a good few hours as when its getting pushed around it get air inpregnated in it and if dumped straight back in the master youll be chaseing you tail
Most likely due to lack of travel imo as usealy u can pump it up and get gears with air in the lines

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #14 on: Nov 24, 2014, 04:04:32 PM »
Bled it again and again still not going.  Any more suggestions?

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #15 on: Nov 25, 2014, 12:34:03 PM »
It could be the master cylinder. I had a bad one on my truck a few years ago. It is the only part in the system that hasn't been replaced yet. Have you adjusted the pedal yet?

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #16 on: Dec 14, 2014, 06:27:56 PM »
1985 crawler came down today we changed the shifter seat and that took care of first gear.  still grinds in reverse.  drives just fine otherwise i am super stumped and ready to ripp my hair out.  maybe my tranny is bad?

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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #17 on: Dec 14, 2014, 08:33:07 PM »
Sometimes you think you have bled it properly, but you havent. Try and push in the slave cylinder the opposite direction so push the fluid back in the reservoir. It's how I bled mine and how i always have. If not maybe clutch fingers not properly angled so not fully engaging and disengaging. I would also check to see if your slave that you have is interchangeable with the W56. Might not have the same length plunger as a L50. Because I don't believe that reverse is synchronized. I might be wrong.....hope that helps
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Re: Transmissio guru needed
« Reply #18 on: Dec 14, 2014, 09:55:10 PM »
Sometimes you think you have bled it properly, but you havent. Try and push in the slave cylinder the opposite direction so push the fluid back in the reservoir. It's how I bled mine and how i always have. If not maybe clutch fingers not properly angled so not fully engaging and disengaging. I would also check to see if your slave that you have is interchangeable with the W56. Might not have the same length plunger as a L50. Because I don't believe that reverse is synchronized. I might be wrong.....hope that helps


i did this, its how i bleed mine and it works flawless.but his works fine in every gear but reverse, will go into gear just gota force it a bit.

yea i was saying the same thing, he has the clutch slave for the l50 and not a w56. not sure if the rod lengths are different but i think they are all the same.

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