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Looking for some expert r150f advice
« on: Sep 26, 2013, 11:19:53 PM »
The PO or some mechanic they hired completely rounded off the fill plug on the tranny. I know I can fill it from the top, but without having the fill plug to gauge the fill level I'm not sure exactly how much to pour in. The FSM says 3+ quarts while the owners manual says 2.3. Its a 95 (12/94) 4runner 3vze 4x4. Anybody know for sure? What's the risk in splitting the difference or just going with higher #? Any suggestions on getting the rounded plug out?

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #1 on: Sep 26, 2013, 11:24:00 PM »
You could tack weld a nut to the stripped out fill plug and get it off that way?  :dunno:

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #2 on: Sep 26, 2013, 11:39:22 PM »
Sounds doable. I'm up for tryin it anyway. Thanks. Sometimes you get so frustrated with something you just overlook the obvious.

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #3 on: Sep 27, 2013, 12:10:25 AM »
I'm good at that^.... :gap:
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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #4 on: Sep 27, 2013, 10:30:40 AM »
You really should revive this basic functionality of the transmission. Are you going to worry about this every time you want to service it? That's too annoying. Take a look at this recent thread for some advice on how to remove the plug: stuck differential plug.

It's not bad at all if you overfill your transmission by about a quart or so. The only downside would be that it will start puking out the vents or through the shifter itself (puke oil past the shift base boot), and it would add unnecessary pressure to the front and rear seals but I don't see it causing any leaks at the seals unless you go waaaaay overfilled. I know a W56 holds about 3 quarts (from this thread) so the R must hold slightly more. I'd fill through the shifter base and go with the "3+" quarts rating and fill 3 quarts plus half another bottle to be safe. If you are a quart low, or half a quart low, it won't be the end of the world, but just now that some bearings may be a bit starved on oil which will shorten their lifespan. At least winter is right around the corner so the risks of overheating for this year are reduced.

Keep in mind that it's possible they did this for some other reason. They might have accidentally stripped the threads, or they may have over tightened the plug resulting in a small crack at the fill plug flange. I've seen this happen and the result is an eternal seeping leak! So maybe they did that to hide something they don't want you to see. Honestly, stop using SHADE TREE mechanics to work on your precious Toyota truck. People make mistakes but any reputable shop would 1) NEVER use the incorrect socket size, 2) NEVER use an impact gun to tighten a fill (or drain) plug, and 3) would immediately replace the plug with a new one.

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #5 on: Sep 27, 2013, 10:54:33 AM »
I know a W56 holds about 3 quarts (from this thread) so the R must hold slightly more.

Reply #134 lists a 1989 R150F as holding 3.2 quarts.

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #6 on: Oct 06, 2013, 11:35:32 PM »
"any reputable shop would 1) NEVER use the incorrect socket size, 2) NEVER use an impact gun to tighten a fill (or drain) plug, and 3) would immediately replace the plug with a new one."

1) Neither would I, 2) Definitely not, 3) Absolutely.

I went with 3.25 quarts MT90. I'll be ordering a new plug before too long (do your low-pro plugs work here?) and welding a piece of flat stock with a hole in it to the head of the plug and getting it loose. There aren't any leaks that I can see. Probably just someone being lazy and with only 3/16" of plug head and a socket with a chamfered inner edge...

I'm still amazed at what I find both shade tree mechanics AND "reputable shops" getting away with. I changed the plugs on this one when I went through the rest of it and was pleased to find that they were the stock NGK's. Then I got to the #3 plug and found cross threaded and only (thankfully) 1/4" into the threads. The back-tap worked great for this and only set me back $40 and a week for shipping. When I triumphantly finished that task I pulled the #5. It was an Autolite that was who knows how old. Other than this I found red RTV in palces it didn't belong, a pulley installed backwards (seriously, the PS belt was 1/4" out of whack), and a missing bolt or two. I don't know how the thing made it the 6 hour drive from where I got it (in partial trade for a little work, thankfully) but my hat's off to Toyota. I didn't get the Yota thing before, but now I do.   :clap2: :bowdown:

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Re: Looking for some expert r150f advice
« Reply #7 on: Oct 07, 2013, 12:43:24 AM »
Every time I've stripped a plug trying to remove it I got a replacement to reinstall.  Before draining the fluid.

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