Author Topic: Any Honda B20 swap into yoda? (Read 16550 times)

lone walker · « **on:** Jan 20, 2012, 09:54:09 PM »

Might be the first to try this.

Am considering a Honda CRV long block B20 engine and CNC a mounting plate for the toyota tranny to block.

tyes · « **Reply #1 on:** Jan 20, 2012, 10:18:12 PM »

it all started with honda with me. i went through 16 honda and acuras. 12 were all swaps.. would like to see this...

83 Crawler · « **Reply #2 on:** Jan 20, 2012, 10:21:26 PM »

do it!

toyotech · « **Reply #3 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 08:44:39 AM »

man there was a build of some guy that did a honda engine in a toyota. it was all custom built. i wanna say it was a v6 too but i cant remember

86bobbedtoy · « **Reply #4 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 09:14:40 AM »

i kno honda engines produce good hp for there size and are good engines
but do you plan on wheelin the toy?
I wouldnt think they would have the right torque.

none the less do what you want, I think itd be cool

THK Matt · « **Reply #5 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 09:55:43 AM »

google.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/12/toyota-pickup-powered-by-honda-s2000-engine-spotted-in-japan.html

I say do it!

HULK · « **Reply #6 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 10:58:04 AM »

I am not a honda fan at all, but from what I hear and see, they are good motors. I think toyotas are better, but that is my opinion. My pops had 1 first gen with over 300k when he smogged it and sold it, 1 second gen with over 350k, and another with over 400k. I would definitely keep an eye on this swap though. It would be interesting to see if you go with it.

OOPS · « **Reply #7 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 06:09:04 PM »

If this is for wheeling (crawling) I would check out what kind of torque output is and what RPM range it is in. I have owned a few Hondas and while the are great engines they seemed to be more of a "top end" engine.

yotaneck13 · « **Reply #8 on:** Jan 21, 2012, 07:42:14 PM »

yes all the power in the b20 is in the top end especialls since its out of a crv would make it a vtech motor so your power doesnt kick in till what 5800rpms kinda like powerband on a 2stroke bike or quad good for goin fast but trail ridn slow not so great be a sweet swap in a drift truck

lone walker · « **Reply #9 on:** Jan 22, 2012, 10:36:11 PM »

Just a food for though.

Might be considering it when this motor goes!

H8PVMNT · « **Reply #10 on:** Jan 23, 2012, 08:11:34 AM »

With all the gearing options available to a Toyota a high strung motor should still work OK on the trail as long as you run dual t-case with crawler gears etc. I've always thought a high reving motor would be great for highway and deep snow wheeling...

83 Crawler · « **Reply #11 on:** Jan 23, 2012, 08:15:02 AM »

Quote from: H8PVMNT on Jan 23, 2012, 08:11:34 AM

With all the gearing options available to a Toyota a high strung motor should still work OK on the trail as long as you run dual t-case with crawler gears etc. I've always thought a high reving motor would be great for highway and deep snow wheeling...

x2

waynescamo · « **Reply #12 on:** Jan 24, 2012, 05:46:15 PM »

ive thought about this idea when i first got my "turtle" , it be a mean street monster

fade · « **Reply #13 on:** Jan 24, 2012, 08:58:02 PM »

No ones said it yet, I looked in to this 3 years ago with a f20c from a s2000 with 240hp out of a 2.2l. But sadly honda motors spin backwards so what do you plan to do about that? I'm not saying you can't do it, you have to figure out how to get reverse cut gears for the trans so you don't have 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear. Which I do not think any one sells. You could do reverse cut gears in the 3rds but thats money down the drain. A b20z out of a japan crv which would be your best bet to get with 147 stock hp and 133 ft pounds. as a toyota 22r is 108 hp and 138 foot pounds.

Now if you wanted to build a crv/vtec or b20/v as us honda guys call them. You have to put alot of money in the motor have to have a good tig welder to weld up the oil passages in the vtec head get the head tapped for oil feed, the block tapped to feed oil buy a ton of parts. If you wanted to put cams in the motor you need new pistons because the valves drop lower and will hit the pistons if you adjust them to much. So to build a reliable b20v you would be heres a price break down: b20 block 500 +/-, a b16 head cheapest 450-500 +/-, welding and machine work $450 +/-, all new timing belt water pump oil pump just because you'd be dumb not to 150-200, then to get ecu and a good tune $450ish depending where you go. Then you add in adapters and the fixing of the reverse ran motor and your in it over $3000.

I'd say for 3000 you can do a 3rz swap and gear and lock your truck and buy longs. If you have money to burn by all means go for it be a sweet swap to see. But when I was looking in to it at the price that I was looking at of a rod knocking s2k motor at 300 the rebuild, then sending the block to advanced with a clutch and fly wheel to have them build a one off adapter for it to bolt to a w56 money started adding up and I lost hope.

fade · « **Reply #14 on:** Jan 24, 2012, 09:04:56 PM »

Quote from: yotaneck13 on Jan 21, 2012, 07:42:14 PM

yes all the power in the b20 is in the top end especialls since its out of a crv would make it a vtech motor so your power doesnt kick in till what 5800rpms kinda like powerband on a 2stroke bike or quad good for goin fast but trail ridn slow not so great be a sweet swap in a drift truck

Uhh.... what? sorry not trying to be rude but crv's which the b20 is out of are low end and redline at 6300 rpm I've owned one. They never came vtec(correct spelling), you can throw a vtec head on it but like I posted it costs money its just not a simple bolt on and go like building a 20r/22r hybird. And lastly vtec is not for power its fuel eco. it stands for Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control. Most vtec cross over is 4800-5200 rpm stock, with a redline of around 7800-8200rpm but the f20c from a s2000 is 8800 on the ap1 and the ap2 was dropped to 8000.

To understand vtec it has 3 cam lobes 2 are going till you hit your cross over and it switches aslong as you have good oil pressure and the motor is warm to the 3rd rocker for more "power" but at low rpms your getting better fuel eco. Thats the basics if you really want to know I can go in to details.

fade · « **Reply #15 on:** Jan 24, 2012, 09:08:35 PM »

Sorry typing fast cab lobe and rocker*

BoG-ToY · « **Reply #16 on:** Jan 24, 2012, 09:15:21 PM »

you could go with just a reverse cut ring and pinion, or a high pinion diff with regular cut gears.
your synchros might not work as well, and you might have to figure out how to make the oil go the right direction

yotaneck13 · « **Reply #17 on:** Jan 25, 2012, 11:26:15 AM »

i was thinking k20 was in the crv.

fade · « **Reply #18 on:** Jan 25, 2012, 03:41:07 PM »

Nope k20 is a rsx.

jimbo74 · « **Reply #19 on:** Jan 25, 2012, 04:01:07 PM »

Quote from: fade on Jan 24, 2012, 09:08:35 PM

Sorry typing fast cab lobe and rocker*

the cam lobe even......

tyes · « **Reply #20 on:** Jan 25, 2012, 08:09:47 PM »

b20 are all low end motor with lots of torque. mate that with a vtec head and u get the best of both worlds, high low end torque and high end vtec power. i've built one back in 2000. putting that on a toyota would be entertaining....

tryn2Crawl · « **Reply #21 on:** Jan 31, 2012, 12:32:29 PM »

Quote from: fade on Jan 24, 2012, 08:58:02 PM

No ones said it yet, I looked in to this 3 years ago with a f20c from a s2000 with 240hp out of a 2.2l. But sadly honda motors spin backwards so what do you plan to do about that? I'm not saying you can't do it, you have to figure out how to get reverse cut gears for the trans so you don't have 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear. Which I do not think any one sells. You could do reverse cut gears in the 3rds but thats money down the drain. A b20z out of a japan crv which would be your best bet to get with 147 stock hp and 133 ft pounds. as a toyota 22r is 108 hp and 138 foot pounds.

Now if you wanted to build a crv/vtec or b20/v as us honda guys call them. You have to put alot of money in the motor have to have a good tig welder to weld up the oil passages in the vtec head get the head tapped for oil feed, the block tapped to feed oil buy a ton of parts. If you wanted to put cams in the motor you need new pistons because the valves drop lower and will hit the pistons if you adjust them to much. So to build a reliable b20v you would be heres a price break down: b20 block 500 +/-, a b16 head cheapest 450-500 +/-, welding and machine work $450 +/-, all new timing belt water pump oil pump just because you'd be dumb not to 150-200, then to get ecu and a good tune $450ish depending where you go. Then you add in adapters and the fixing of the reverse ran motor and your in it over $3000.

I'd say for 3000 you can do a 3rz swap and gear and lock your truck and buy longs. If you have money to burn by all means go for it be a sweet swap to see. But when I was looking in to it at the price that I was looking at of a rod knocking s2k motor at 300 the rebuild, then sending the block to advanced with a clutch and fly wheel to have them build a one off adapter for it to bolt to a w56 money started adding up and I lost hope.

FYI: B20z are USDM not JDM........JDM's are all B20b, gotta check the year on the motor to determine if it has the high compression like the USDM b20z.....Thought I'd clear that up......LOL

tryn2Crawl · « **Reply #22 on:** Jan 31, 2012, 12:36:52 PM »

Quote from: yotaneck13 on Jan 25, 2012, 11:26:15 AM

i was thinking k20 was in the crv.

Element, TSX, Accords(forgot the year models), Civic Si HB( the ford focuz-lookalike), and the 4dr Civic SI, RSX were all K-series......Only the civic and rsx was 2.0l..Everything else I mentioned were 2.4l, just had a tad bit different comp.ratios amongst each other..

tryn2Crawl · « **Reply #23 on:** Jan 31, 2012, 12:37:35 PM »

Quote from: fade on Jan 25, 2012, 03:41:07 PM

Nope k20 is a rsx.

And Civic Si

fade · « **Reply #24 on:** Jan 31, 2012, 06:48:01 PM »

Quote from: tryn2Crawl on Jan 31, 2012, 12:32:29 PM

FYI: B20z are USDM not JDM........JDM's are all B20b, gotta check the year on the motor to determine if it has the high compression like the USDM b20z.....Thought I'd clear that up......LOL

Also in japan, not often but they did. I know the owners of a few honda shops around, and have built and ran a few hondas, I might be known as a honda god to some. I do have a honda tattoo also. Just thought I'd clear that up.

Ohh and bet you didn't know there is a us dohc zc did you?

logan · « **Reply #25 on:** Feb 07, 2012, 08:50:22 PM »

Quote from: fade on Mar 17, 1974, 07:40:48 PM

Ohh and bet you didn't know there is a us dohc zc did you?

Firs gen integra right?

fade · « **Reply #26 on:** Feb 08, 2012, 11:45:30 PM »

Why did you have to come in and say something rude like that? I'm trying to set this guys facts straight for every ones data base. This just makes me mad. Is marlin going to be like Pirate? I wonder what big mike or glen or yeller would say about you saying that? I'm not trying to stir up the pot, but that really makes me mad....

83 Crawler · « **Reply #27 on:** Feb 08, 2012, 11:55:38 PM »

Haha wow little sencitive aye?

fade · « **Reply #28 on:** Feb 08, 2012, 11:58:33 PM »

No just people like you need to get a life and grow up. Seriously? Can't just keep your mouth shut? You offer no information and just run your mouth? I don't go talking trash in your build or anything you post. So Idk what your deal is?

fade · « **Reply #29 on:** Feb 09, 2012, 12:05:50 AM »

Grow up dude. check your pm's your reported. You ruin things like this great forum. Say some christian guy comes on here to look at parts and stumbles on this forum. Then sees this post or post's you have contributed to and your calling people gay and eff this and eff that. He thinks wow what a bunch of jerks and takes his money else were for parts? Makes me wonder about today's generation. Maybe some day you will see what a fool you made of your self. I don't knock on your build or ideas.

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