Topic: Are 38's to big?

[cbr929]

I have a 84 toy with 5.29 gears. do you think that 38's are to big on a toy? and if not what is a good spring height of leaf spring 4" or 5"?

[pumkin toy]

i have 40's on my toy!  so no 38's arent too big. But if you have stock axle shafts you will break them with 38's in no time!  So upgrading to Longfields is a must.  And you need to be more specific with your spring height question.  Are you wanting to know what size spring you need to run 38's?

[cbr929 [OP]]

i have 40's on my toy!  so no 38's arent too big. But if you have stock axle shafts you will break them with 38's in no time!  So upgrading to Longfields is a must.  And you need to be more specific with your spring height question.  Are you wanting to know what size spring you need to run 38's?

I guess that would be the right way to ask that.

What sring do i need to run 38's?

[bigarms23]

if you dont mind alittle fender trimming than go with 4inch springs
if you dont want to trim the fenders than go with 5inch springs

[pumkin toy]

if you dont mind alittle fender trimming than go with 4inch springs
if you dont want to trim the fenders than go with 5inch springs

thats pretty much it.   

I'm runnin my 40's with about three inches or less lift.  Gotta do alot of trimming though

[cbr929 [OP]]

now do you just trim the fenders or the fire wall and finder?

[pumkin toy]

it depends on how far forward your axle is placed.  My front axle has been moved forward at least three inches so i dont think i will have any firewall problems.  if your axle is in the stock location you will have serious rubbing issues on the firewall so you will have to cut it back to the body mount and weld in new sheetmetal.

[cbr929 [OP]]

what do you have for inner axles? i had a birfield eliminator kit but they broke whit just 33's. well i think the snow chains did the damage.

[-Jake-]

Just buy longfields 30 splines they'll come with inners and the outers

[pumkin toy]

what do you have for inner axles? i had a birfield eliminator kit but they broke whit just 33's. well i think the snow chains did the damage.

yeah birf elim kits suck! i had one in my last rig and i broke six axles with 37's.  right now mine has stock inner shafts and longfield outer shafts.  I havnt been able to wheel it yet with the new 40's so idk how long they will hold up.  Eventually i am gonna upgrade to a 30 spline set. Its the best way to go

[thegoofster21]

i had 39.5 with longs in my axle never had a problem. why are you going 38s, to you have the tires already or do you still have to buy they? i like the iroks so id get like 37s or 39.5 iroks. hands down one of the best tires

[cbr929 [OP]]

i do have the tires already. traded some stuff for a new set of 38.5x11x15 boggers. after going wheelen with someone who had the i-rocks i like them a little more now. was thinking about going to the dirty 30's.

[pumkin toy]

Watch out man! you mentioned TG so now EVERYBODY on this forum will flame you.  I havnt heard any problems with the dirty thirty's yet. A buddy of mine is runnen them in his 2nd gen 4runner with 36 tsl's and hasnt had any problems

[peacesells]

A guy I know tried the tg 30's in his buggy and they dont hold up compared to longs. he broke one, put the spare 30spline long in, then broke the other one the same weekend. He warrantied then sold them, bought longs, no problems since... someone else said they held up fine but they were sloppy as hell after 100 miles of 4wd... I have almost 600 miles on mine longs in 4wd and they are TIGHT!!!!!!!

back on track though, 3in lift and 38's is a good combo. to me a yota should never have more than 3in lift, especially with 35's and up... push the front axle 3+ inches forward and get busy with the sawzall

[cbr929 [OP]]

A guy I know tried the tg 30's in his buggy and they dont hold up compared to longs. he broke one, put the spare 30spline long in, then broke the other one the same weekend. He warrantied then sold them, bought longs, no problems since... someone else said they held up fine but they were sloppy as hell after 100 miles of 4wd... I have almost 600 miles on mine longs in 4wd and they are TIGHT!!!!!!!

back on track though, 3in lift and 38's is a good combo. to me a yota should never have more than 3in lift, especially with 35's and up... push the front axle 3+ inches forward and get busy with the sawzall

see i was told that they where just a good as longs.

i was thinking about going with 5'' spring. but someone told me that they are to tall for wheelen in Colorado. so i don't know. I've also been helping a friend with a SAS with 4'' springs and was going to wait to see how it sites before i decide.

I've also though about trading my 38's for some 37's.

[pumkin toy]

A guy I know tried the tg 30's in his buggy and they dont hold up compared to longs. he broke one, put the spare 30spline long in, then broke the other one the same weekend. He warrantied then sold them, bought longs, no problems since... someone else said they held up fine but they were sloppy as hell after 100 miles of 4wd... I have almost 600 miles on mine longs in 4wd and they are TIGHT!!!!!!!

back on track though, 3in lift and 38's is a good combo. to me a yota should never have more than 3in lift, especially with 35's and up... push the front axle 3+ inches forward and get busy with the sawzall

Yeah I am just gonna save up for longs so i dont have to worry about it!   I'm in the same boat dude, i dont think yota's need more than three inches lift for anything either

[Volcom]

I'm on 39.5" Iroks, stretched wheelbase to 109" and 4" springs.  I had to do a ton of trimming in the rear since I extended the WB.  I also tubbed the firewall and trimmed the front fenders.  My front axle is fully built, 30 splines, Longfield hub gears, ARP knuckle & hub studs.  

I don't think they are too big, perfect for the type of wheeling I like to do  

[cbr929 [OP]]

I'm on 39.5" Iroks, stretched wheelbase to 109" and 4" springs.  I had to do a ton of trimming in the rear since I extended the WB.  I also tubbed the firewall and trimmed the front fenders.  My front axle is fully built, 30 splines, Longfield hub gears, ARP knuckle & hub studs. 

I don't think they are too big, perfect for the type of wheeling I like to do 

how hard is tubbing the fire wall?

[TacoRunner]

I have a 84 toy with 5.29 gears. do you think that 38's are to big on a toy? and if not what is a good spring height of leaf spring 4" or 5"?

Isn't that kinda like asking your girlfriend if your unit is to big. 

[Volcom]

It's not the funnest job I've had to do on the 4Runner but well worth it in the end



Tire rubbing the firewall before the cutting


Cutting of driver's side




Made a cardboard template of the hole and traced it onto some sheetmetal.


Welding the thin Toyota sheetmetal sucks.  I suck at welding sheetmetal.  Once you get some seam sealer and undercoating over it, you'll never notice it.


Passenger side sucks since the computer is right there.  I still haven't remounted my computer.


We tried a different method on the passenger side.  We left the sheetmetal alittle long and just cut slits in it to weld.  Worked out OK.

[anfkndy]

38s are great for 5.29s but upgrade everything to arp because you will shear hub studs which trashs the whole spindle, i even went as far as the longfield drive flanges since its a trailer only/comp rig

[87pickup]

I run 37"s with 4" marlins and no firewall trimming. I wouldnt mind it being a little lower but i have never had the height hinder its performance.

[1Knucklehead]

I ran 39" and 44" with only 7" lift.
Broke 3 r&ps and 30 sline axle.