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86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« on: Oct 21, 2009, 06:04:54 PM »
Just got my rig back today from a tire balance and alignment but i still have a vibration. It only does it from 40ish-55 then again after 75. My drive shaft has no play in it and my hubs are in free. Any ideas? It still sounds like tires outa balance to me. Should i try the balance bags in them instead of weights?  :smack:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #1 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:22:27 PM »
size tires, size wheels, tire pressure..... you have a steering stabilizer? hows your shocks?
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #2 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:40:07 PM »
Look in my profile. 35x12.50xr16 Stt's , Bilstein 5100 shocks are fine. And yes steering stabalizer.Dont know the psi right now. just got it back from the tire shop today after getting them balanced so i assume they set them all equaly.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #3 on: Oct 21, 2009, 09:29:46 PM »
Look in my profile. 35x12.50xr16 Stt's , Bilstein 5100 shocks are fine. And yes steering stabalizer.Dont know the psi right now. just got it back from the tire shop today after getting them balanced so i assume they set them all equaly.

if its from a shop..... 32-35psi.
and my guess is they let a noob do your tires....
that size tire will be a tad shaky anyways, just cause they usually take a lot to balance out.

but I would definately take it back. im sure you paid for the balance and :pokinit:.
so they owe it to you... to make sure its not the tires, then go from there.
make sure every nut and bolt is tightened to specs.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #4 on: Oct 21, 2009, 10:54:33 PM »
stabilizer or tie rods ends lose :dunno:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #5 on: Oct 22, 2009, 08:15:29 AM »
Yeah ill probably take it back to the shop. I didnt pay for the balance since it was free because i bought the tires but I did pay 200$ for the other work that was done. I really think it probably is a tire out of ballance due to the fact that it has that one are where it vibrates then stops until 75. But Yeah i will check all my bolts and nuts etc. Thanks guys. Any more suggestions let me know! :beer:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #6 on: Oct 23, 2009, 12:09:37 AM »
Let us know if any of that works.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #7 on: Oct 23, 2009, 01:09:35 AM »
sounds dumb but check your u bolts, friend of mine did a sas and we finshed up around 5am after starting at 6am the day before. We woke up at noon and went for a test drive and had crazy speed wobbles only at certain speeds. Turned out that 2 u bolts were tight up front one on each side and the other was only finger tight how we let that slide is behond me. Sounds more like a tire issue in your case though.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #8 on: Oct 23, 2009, 07:26:17 AM »
I called the tire shop and told them what was going on and of coarse they have to make up an excuse. They said it could be the worn tire so drive it for a couple days and if it doesnt stop bring it it. If it was a worn tire doing it it would do it all speeds not just thos intervals. Owell i guess. I gotta drive 90 miles back to my home town and back so if that doesnt stop it ill just take it in. Its a nice ride as long as I keep it any where below 60 and 75
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #9 on: Oct 23, 2009, 11:19:59 AM »
yeah sounds like they don't want to deal with it.
and if they dont make it right..... tell them you are taking your business elsewhere and putting in a bad word for their business. :gap: :beerchug:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #10 on: Oct 23, 2009, 02:08:42 PM »
Yeah i swear i always get screwed over with this truck. We will see monday tho.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #11 on: Oct 24, 2009, 03:32:00 PM »
Took it to TireRama in Great Falls and they rebalanced my tires. I go to pick it up and they say its all good to go. So I pull out onto the road and what do you know....vibration at 45+ STILL!! Now its pissing me off. So I went back and told me its not a tire then. So I ask what it is and the guys has no suggestions for me. So I did some brainstorming my self and here are a few things of what i Came up with. Its most likely something that turns due to the fact that it vibrates in intervals. Bent axle, bent d-shaft, fly wheel, crank shaft, or still really is tire vibration? Any more suggestions. What do you guys think? I need some help here guys!? Thanks!!
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #12 on: Oct 24, 2009, 10:56:55 PM »
Check all your bolts first. I am betting its your tires they are cupped or worn funny and they are to stupid to know how to tell anything about tires. I'd go to les schwab or a nation tire chain place and have them look at your tires. Know any one you can borrow a set of tires from for like a 10 mile test drive to see if thats it or not? I'd start with checking all bolts and nuts, then swaping tires. If neither are the culperate then start checking other things.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #13 on: Oct 25, 2009, 05:56:06 PM »
yeah ill throw my 31 Stt's on that i just sold to my buddy. Im now thinking it might be a u-joint now. I just got back from Great Falls...90 mile trip...and there is some side to side play when i push on the shaft.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #14 on: Oct 25, 2009, 09:47:50 PM »
That could be it. They cause some bad things to happen.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #15 on: Oct 26, 2009, 04:55:23 PM »
I just got my Yota back from the shop and I think we found the problem with my vibration that i had from 40-60mph and after 75mph. For one the double cardin pin on my rear driveshaft broke. Also they said my front out put shaft on my t-case has some play in it.Has any one else had this problem? Also how hard are they to change/fix and what would cause the play? Has any one else dealed with Arizona Driveline and had as much problem as I have. I sent them the angle of my front driveshaft and the first 3 they sent me didnt work. Finaly got one that works with the performer CV and they messed up with my rear driveshaft by putting the wrong flange on. On top of that they never wanted to pay for shipping. Now with this breakage of the pin they dont want to cover it after i spent all this money on THEIR driveshaft. Worst customer service ever!! let me know on the output shaft. Thanks Guys!!
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #16 on: Oct 26, 2009, 04:56:45 PM »
I just put my old driveshaft back on and guess what no...NO VIBRATION. A little right at 55 but it was like that before I changed it. Now they better cover the cost and shipping to fix my new one!
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #17 on: Oct 27, 2009, 10:35:41 PM »
AZ driveline is THE WORST driveline shop on the planet.. I have about a dozen friends who have been back there 3 or 4 times before they gave up and orderd a hi angle or a woods shaft. Nothin they build ever balances out, they used china steel and joints, and their balance guy does nothing but smoke meth and weld washers onto everything he sees. Sorry you had to deal with them, the definition of hacks...
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #18 on: Oct 27, 2009, 10:45:49 PM »
that sounds like a report to better business Biro.   and get the money they should spend to ship back and forth stuff if messed up.    and your time.  damn i would.  i did my shafts  from woods and no prob. they wanted all sorts of mesurements but it was right the first time bro. :beer:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #19 on: Oct 28, 2009, 03:37:14 PM »
AZ driveline is THE WORST driveline shop on the planet.. I have about a dozen friends who have been back there 3 or 4 times before they gave up and orderd a hi angle or a woods shaft. Nothin they build ever balances out, they used china steel and joints, and their balance guy does nothing but smoke meth and weld washers onto everything he sees. Sorry you had to deal with them, the definition of hacks...

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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #20 on: Oct 28, 2009, 04:36:30 PM »
 :cool:   some times you have to.   there is very little quality work any more.   every body is rush rush you no.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #21 on: Oct 28, 2009, 05:49:45 PM »
I know exactly what you mean. My dad has been in the automotive buisness for 30 years and after he had to close his buisness thanks to the City he still has people wanting him to open up another one so i was taught well. Its all about quality and morals. If you you f**k somebody over eventually karma is gonna come back and bite you in the  butt and visa versa.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #22 on: Oct 28, 2009, 06:23:59 PM »
true! :biggthumpup:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #23 on: Nov 05, 2009, 04:24:58 PM »
Well after driving to Great Falls and back to Helena with my original driveshaft the vibration came back and worse that before...now it starts at 40mph. I have an apointent with a better trusted and qualified local shop and Ill see what he finds tomorrow. Cant wait to get this figured out!  :dunno:
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #24 on: Nov 17, 2009, 10:47:54 PM »
Is it a "vibration" or a "wobble"?   Just wondering

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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #25 on: Nov 18, 2009, 02:53:07 PM »
Vibration. Its ended up being the Driveshaft.

Is it a "vibration" or a "wobble"?   Just wondering
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #26 on: Nov 19, 2009, 06:01:39 AM »
Do you have an "Inland Truck Parts" over there? There's one in Missoula that has always done excellent DS work for me. If nothing else, they are a lot closer for future work.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #27 on: Nov 19, 2009, 04:04:46 PM »
There is a good d-shaft place in East Helena. Had him take a look at it and he was the one that figured it was the double cardain on the rear d-shaft. He tore it apart and the constant velocity pin and spring in there basically broke and the "U-joint cage"  on the flange side of the double cardain has something wrong with it.  It allows the u-joint to move in and out even with c clips in. So im sending just that outer cage back and they are gonna send me a knew one and have the guy here install it. That way shipping wont be so much as if i sent the whole shaft back to Arizona. Luckily my stock d-shaft fits. Just not alot of slip left so no flexing
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #28 on: Nov 20, 2009, 01:44:06 PM »
Arizona Driveline is terrible, i heard from a buddy that tried getting parts there that customers would order heavy wall tubing and then shortly after busting it and finding out they used thin wall tube but got charged for heavy wall tube.
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Re: 86 SAS'd P/U vibration
« Reply #29 on: Nov 20, 2009, 05:58:25 PM »
Why are you driving with your front driveline spinning?
Dr.Maxwe001 well i have a 15 gal compressor now and if I gett he 60  and then use the 15 as a reserve that wil give me 75 gal  thats close to 80 isnt it ?

 
 
 
 
 

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