Author Topic: Oil Pan Treasures (HELP!) (Read 3388 times)

crawlerdad · « **on:** Oct 10, 2009, 08:20:51 PM »

I found these plastic pieces in the bottom of my oil pan. Chain guide or tensioner maybe? Any ideas or suggestions on where to start?

axled89 · « **Reply #1 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 08:44:45 PM »

iv'e herd of the plastic guilds breaking, but not the metal.

pumkin toy · « **Reply #2 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 08:47:06 PM »

chain guides, they are the only plastic parts inside the engine

axled89 · « **Reply #3 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 08:50:11 PM »

there you go. now i no what you will be doing this weekend/ week lol. they have metal ones i'd buy that.

pumkin toy · « **Reply #4 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 08:54:33 PM »

yep, the metal ones are the only way to go. my buddy picked up an 87 runner last week. he got it for 400 bucks because there was water/coolant in the oil. we pulled the timing cover off last night and because of broken timing chain guides and a streched chain, the chain wore a hole completely through the timing cover. it was so bad we could poor water into the radiator and it would immediately run right out the oil pan drain!

crawlerdad · « **Reply #5 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 09:15:16 PM »

Sweet! So I may need a cover too? Is this something easily found at the dealer or should I just go to the local shop? It looks like there is two guides in the manual, can I get them both in metal?

axled89 · « **Reply #6 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 09:23:44 PM »

as a set yes. and call around, don't want to waste money threw the stealer ship, as iv'e heard it be called.
LOL.

KDXSR5 · « **Reply #7 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 10:20:45 PM »

I found those when I rebuilt my 85 engine. Of course I put a new timing set in w/ steel guides because I was rebuilding it, but if I was in your situation I would put a new timing kit in with metal guides. I got mine from LCengineering, and I think ENGNBLDR sells them too. Mine broke bad enough that the timing chain got enough slack to jump teeth and cause issues. The pieces also got sucked onto my oil pickup tube = no oil pressure and since the chain tensioner uses oil pressure to stay pumped up, it let the chain go very slack. Timing chain covers, if you need one, can be had from junkyards. Or try putting a wanted post on here. I can always find one if I need one, they shouldn't be too hard to get a hold of.

Here is mine:

and a chip for size reference:

86rustbucket · « **Reply #8 on:** Oct 10, 2009, 10:45:01 PM »

it would have to be makin a lot of noise for a long time to go through the cover like that so you should be good
if not find a 2wd at the junkyard thats usually the only 22r i ever find there

unclejpl4x4 · « **Reply #9 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 08:42:18 AM »

i have seen HAD a 22re in a 84 celica hand me dowm MOM>sister> ME where they did not under stand PMS when i got the car i was 18 first toy ( miss that car)
long story short the guides where past gone but the noise i figured was normal for the miles on it + not that bad and so on till the timing cover broke from the chain eating threw it. U can guess what happened next i learned how to fix Toyotas

SocalWheeler71 · « **Reply #10 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 08:58:11 AM »

FYI if you are putting a new/different than original timing cover on, it is supposed to be decked with the block. If you are swapping the cover with the head on and the engine still in the vehicle then no big deal, but if you are rebuilding then you should deck it.

You can also have your original timing cover tig welded up, I've pulled 22R's apart and found welded covers.

unclejpl4x4 · « **Reply #11 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 09:08:42 AM »

don't know if the link will work for U im signed in but its e-bay engnbldr cover WP metal time set http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/engnbldr/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-22R-RE-FEK-YIKES-Whats-this-EPN_W0QQitemZ390102673870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad3ee69ce

crawlerdad · « **Reply #12 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 09:56:14 AM »

I found DOA $80-- LC $80 Preferred Components Inc on parts dinosaur $44. Inexpensive can mean cheap. Any one ever heard of these guys?

http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/product0.html

KDXSR5 · « **Reply #13 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 09:59:47 AM »

Quote from: crawlerdad on Oct 11, 2009, 09:56:14 AM

I found DOA $80-- LC $80 Preferred Components Inc on parts dinosaur $44. Inexpensive can mean cheap. Any one ever heard of these guys?

http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/product0.html

I have not. Oh and I forgot about DOA, sorry.

crawlerdad · « **Reply #14 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 10:02:59 AM »

Quote from: ÜncleĴ on Oct 11, 2009, 09:08:42 AM

don't know if the link will work for U im signed in but its e-bay engnbldr cover WP metal time set http://myworld.ebay.com/ebaymotors/engnbldr/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOYOTA-22R-RE-FEK-YIKES-Whats-this-EPN_W0QQitemZ390102673870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad3ee69ce

That looks like a great deal! It has plastic chain guides, But the rest looks like a great deal.

KDXSR5 · « **Reply #15 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 10:06:54 AM »

Quote from: crawlerdad on Oct 11, 2009, 10:02:59 AM

That looks like a great deal! It has plastic chain guides, But the rest looks like a great deal.

That is an ENGNBLDR kit. It uses one steel guide on the driver's side. The other one is still plastic.

unclejpl4x4 · « **Reply #16 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 10:16:44 AM »

Quote from: KDXSR5 on Oct 11, 2009, 10:06:54 AM

That is an ENGNBLDR kit. It uses one steel guide on the driver's side. The other one is still plastic.

yea that's what i have 1 metal 1 plastic i got there full rebuild kit when i did my motor .20 over pistons and all.

Also i have gotten parts from this guys 2 my crank, WP, rockers, and a few odds and ends http://stores.shop.ebay.com/JAPAN-ENGINES__W0QQ_armrsZ1

KDXSR5 · « **Reply #17 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 10:31:31 AM »

Quote from: ÜncleĴ on Oct 11, 2009, 10:16:44 AM

yea that's what i have 1 metal 1 plastic i got there full rebuild kit when i did my motor .20 over pistons and all.

Also i have gotten parts from this guys 2 my crank, WP, rockers, and a few odds and ends http://stores.shop.ebay.com/JAPAN-ENGINES__W0QQ_armrsZ1

I used ENGNBLDR for the head and pistons and seal kit and JAPAN ENGINES for my rockers and adjusters and LCE for the timing chain.

crawlerdad · « **Reply #18 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 10:52:20 AM »

I think I am going to go with the ENGNBLDR timing kit $58. Thanks for all the help!! $Beer Chug\'n$

kneedownnate · « **Reply #19 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 01:11:12 PM »

Good choice, but don't let ignorant people steer you away from checking with the dealer either. Superior parts cost more, but I've also checked parts prices there, kragen and vatozone, and had the toyota part be cheaper or about the same. Some people just assume the dealer will be more expensive

KDXSR5 · « **Reply #20 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 01:17:01 PM »

Quote from: kneedownnate on Oct 11, 2009, 01:11:12 PM

Good choice, but don't let ignorant people steer you away from checking with the dealer either. Superior parts cost more, but I've also checked parts prices there, kragen and vatozone, and had the toyota part be cheaper or about the same. Some people just assume the dealer will be more expensive

And, if you are nice enough, the guys at the dealership may give you discounts. I have also gotten a few free used parts from them like a TRD cam and some other stuff. I also get a business discount at o-rielly's because I am nice to the guys there plus I have a student discount card through the college for autozone and NAPA. Being kind pays off.

junya92toy · « **Reply #21 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 01:19:38 PM »

I used to work at a dealership in parts. I hate the term stealership. I mean some parts cost more like stated above, they are 100 times better. And I would sell you the right part the first time. I usually could help find out the problem too. If you were nice or had big boobs id would give a discount too.

crawlerdad · « **Reply #22 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 02:32:28 PM »

I have a buddy that works at the dealership, I will check with him. I don't think that the part I need will be found at the dealership. Gaskets, o-rings, and chain will be there but the metal chain guide will not. I will send my wife to the dealership to see if she can get a better price on the rest of the stuff.

axled89 · « **Reply #23 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 04:35:06 PM »

ignorant! calling around to get a good price on parts is not ignorant.
no one said not to go to the STEALER SHIP!

emsvitil · « **Reply #24 on:** Oct 11, 2009, 04:41:56 PM »

Check out the dealers website for discount coupons....

The one I goto usually has a 15% (sometimes 20%) coupon for any parts..........

crawlerdad · « **Reply #25 on:** Nov 07, 2009, 09:08:09 PM »

Looks good right?

I got the metal guides from engnbldr.com and they look good. Some of the guides I saw were all metal, the ones I got from engnbldr have plastic on the chain side. Can't wait to be done. I got an estimate of a $1000 to have a shop do it. It has been fun doing it myself.

Mario · « **Reply #26 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 06:45:16 PM »

It would be good to change your water pump while you have that part of the motor apart. I also installed steel timing chain guides.

crawlerdad · « **Reply #27 on:** Nov 09, 2009, 07:43:18 PM »

Yah, I found a kit online that was very reasonable with water and oil pump so I am just going to do both.

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