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Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« on: Sep 30, 2009, 12:41:37 PM »
putting an OBD2 engine (5VZ ) in an 86 pickup. 

I'm using a 5 spd ECM.  The ECM needs an electronic speedo sensor input to keep the check engine light off, but in order for my speedo to work, it needs a cable. 

Is there a splitter that exists (like for the old GMs) that screws into the trans and has 2 locations for outputs (one for the cable and one for the VSS) or will I have to find a reluctor wheel and mag pickup to put on the T-case output for the VSS signal?

I can't imagine everyone who has done this swap driving around with no speedometer....how do you do it?

EDIT:...just did a bit more research.  Alldata says there is a reluctor wheel (rotor) that peaks 4 times per rotor revolution and feeds this signal "waveform shaping circuit" in the speedo head to clean up the signal into a more precise squarewave form, then into the ECM.

VSS #1 is in the T-case.  Its hard to tell from the pictures, but it looks like the 4 tooth rotor is pressed onto the T-case output shaft inside the housing, and looks like a mag pickup...but every VSS I've seen has a gear on the end...which would indicate that the rotor in question is inside the sensor.   Basically, I'm trying to figure out if I need to have 4 squarewave peaks per output shaft revolution or 4 squarewave peaks per VSS shaft revolution (gear driven VSS).  I'm thinking it wouldn't be too hard to make an external reluctor wheel and use an ABS sensor as a pickup...they output a nice squarewave, so I'd be able to run that to feed the ECM and keep my stock cable for the speedometer.  Thoughts?
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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #1 on: Sep 30, 2009, 01:57:17 PM »
Was the 86 carb or efi?

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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #2 on: Sep 30, 2009, 02:38:52 PM »
It was EFI...

I read about the VSS line off of the cluster, but I couldn't find anything on the cluster wiring diagram.  I've since found a VSS input on the ECM diagram that appears to come from the cluster. 

Is this what people have been using to splice into the new ECM?  Does the signal have the correct frequency to make the OBDII ecm happy?

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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #3 on: Sep 30, 2009, 04:07:48 PM »
Calling BigMike?????
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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #4 on: Sep 30, 2009, 04:15:44 PM »
It was EFI...

I read about the VSS line off of the cluster, but I couldn't find anything on the cluster wiring diagram.  I've since found a VSS input on the ECM diagram that appears to come from the cluster. 

Is this what people have been using to splice into the new ECM?  Does the signal have the correct frequency to make the OBDII ecm happy?

Thats the one,most years are green with blue stripe.

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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #5 on: Oct 06, 2009, 12:08:28 PM »
I use the VSS from an 84 carb SR5 cluster for my swap.  Works fine.  Speed PID show exactly what the speedo does, and cruise works.  I remaber that  finding the wire was dificult.  I just hooked my DVOM to the cluster end, and checked wires at the ECM end till I found the right one.

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Re: Engine swap ?.....cable vs electronic speedo
« Reply #6 on: Oct 09, 2009, 03:32:33 PM »
I found it...dunno how anything works yet, but I got the engine running yesterday.

It would have been nice if in '86 the EWDs had connector pin locations like the later model EWDs do..

 
 
 
 
 

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