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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #30 on: Jun 28, 2009, 02:58:47 PM »
sounds about the same and the timing still retards when I rev the motor and then advances.  Kind of like it hesitates just slightly.  I got my rpms down to 850.  What do you make of the white towel over the tail pipe results?

I'm gonna be afraid when I see your bill!  hehe   :beerchug:
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #31 on: Jun 28, 2009, 02:59:53 PM »
Do you have a tach?

What rpm are you running it at?
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #32 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:05:54 PM »
ya i got a tach.  at idle i'm between 800 and 900.
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #33 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:14:22 PM »
ya i got a tach.  at idle i'm between 800 and 900.

Not at idle, when you're going up the hill.
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #34 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:17:02 PM »
the stumble is timing , does it stumble at 12*
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #35 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:17:12 PM »
i would say to climb one of the hills i dread i'm running in 3rd at 4000+ and doing 40-45mph.
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #36 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:18:14 PM »
relatively clean towel means its not excessively rich
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #37 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:22:24 PM »
yup it stumbles to about 5 from the init1al 12* and then advances
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #38 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:22:36 PM »
i would say to climb one of the hills i dread i'm running in 3rd at 4000+ and doing 40-45mph.
:headscratch:  3rd gear and 4000 in my truck is 50-55 mph
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #39 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:24:33 PM »
yup it stumbles to about 5 from the init1al 12* and then advances
ok, you complicating things with that fancy light,  set it to read straight up

then set the timing at 12*

its the vaccuum that retards the timing then advances it back
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #40 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:26:44 PM »
When my 22re skipped 2 teeth on the timing chain (advancing the cam), it had absolutely no power above 3000 rpm.  

And I could set the timing anywhere without pinging or any effect on power..........


So it might be that the cam isn't aligned correctly.


(3rd 4000 rpm is 64 mph for me)
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #41 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:39:59 PM »
When my 22re skipped 2 teeth on the timing chain (advancing the cam), it had absolutely no power above 3000 rpm.   

And I could set the timing anywhere without pinging or any effect on power..........


So it might be that the cam isn't aligned correctly.

we already checked the cam,  from what i told him to check and he said he checked his cam is fine


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(3rd 4000 rpm is 64 mph for me)
what gears are you running??  4.10's

i run 529's and 35's
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #42 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:41:23 PM »
right now i'm using a plane jane timing light without the max timing knob and i got it at 12*.  If i pulled the valve cover and set the timing mark on the crank pulley to be at 0* and my cam dowel was at 12 o'clock could i still be off when I stabbed the distributor?  Could this lack of power be completely due to the way I've tuned this fuel injection system and not the timing or does it seem as if something is still not right with the timing itself?
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #43 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:42:46 PM »
i just posted the question that you answered at the same time.  Hehe  Hey Glen do you think I should move on or it this still a timing issue?
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #44 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:46:32 PM »
does your distributor have 2 vaccum lines ??
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #45 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:48:39 PM »
we'll get to the fuel later

if it has 2 vaccuum lines on the dist go swap positions on them  and see if that helps
they could be on the wrong port on the vacuum advance
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #46 on: Jun 28, 2009, 03:57:58 PM »
I had the vacuum line originally on the vacuum port closest to the front of the vehicle.  With that line hooked up i'm at 12* and when i rev it the mark drops to about 5* momentarily and then advances.  When I switched the vacuum line to the other port on the distributor the timing dropped to 6* and when I rev the motor it doesn't retard at all it only advances.
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #47 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:04:31 PM »
I had the vacuum line originally on the vacuum port closest to the front of the vehicle.  With that line hooked up i'm at 12* and when i rev it the mark drops to about 5* momentarily and then advances.  When I switched the vacuum line to the other port on the distributor the timing dropped to 6* and when I rev the motor it doesn't retard at all it only advances.
:woohoo:   DING DING DING WE HAVE A WEENER :woohoo:
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #48 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:10:20 PM »
now set the timing up to 10 degrees and see how she runs now
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #49 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:12:35 PM »
and unhook vac. lines when setting timimg
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #50 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:13:48 PM »
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:woohoo:   DING DING DING WE HAVE A WEENER :woohoo:


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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #51 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:22:40 PM »
and unhook vac. lines when setting timimg
:smack:  yes 

did you check the timing with no lines?? 

although if he has them attached right( me thinks now anyway) there wont be any vacuum on them at 800 rpm
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #52 on: Jun 28, 2009, 04:24:59 PM »
i gotta go give my dog a bath :wave:
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #53 on: Jun 28, 2009, 05:04:30 PM »
hey guys I wish we all lived in the same area cuz beers would be on me  :beerchug: .  I took it for a spin and where it used to bog between shifting it's got a lot more guts.  I want to thank all of you for all the time and help not only today but over the years.  Thanks again.

Hey Glen when you read this again shoot me your address please.

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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #54 on: Jun 28, 2009, 06:37:05 PM »
Is speedo correct?

For steep hills I go 75 in 3rd at 4800 rpm, 22re, 4.10's, 31's

45 would be 2nd 4300 rpm; 3rd 2800 rpm
  thats crazy i cant go 75 down the freeway

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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #55 on: Jun 28, 2009, 07:50:59 PM »
:smack:  yes  

did you check the timing with no lines??  


amazing how we foreget the simple stuff as we get older.   :greengrin:
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #56 on: Jun 28, 2009, 08:17:51 PM »
  thats crazy i cant go 75 down the freeway
why not?? 
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Re: seeking all tunning gurus, I need some help.
« Reply #57 on: Jun 28, 2009, 08:25:34 PM »
amazing how we forget the simple stuff as we get older.   :greengrin:
yea or when we get our brains knocked out :beerwhack:

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