Hydro assist on the cheap

[freds40]

Back side of the tie rod mount.

[KYOTA]

Do you think there would be enough room for the fiitings if the cylinder was rotated 90* so the fittings were on the bottom? (so the mount on the diff could be built a little differently with vertical tabs) Thanks for the close ups.

[freds40]

There is clearance for it but I chose not to do it that way because of the front to back movement on the ram as the steering arms turn. There  would be a bit of movement and could lead to broken pieces due to the movement.

[mudguts]

Nice work  I'm sure many will refer to this thread in the future. I know I will, I printed the pictures.

[freds40]

Let me know if you need any more specific pics. 

[KYOTA]

There is clearance for it but I chose not to do it that way because of the front to back movement on the ram as the steering arms turn.

Yep, I spaced that one out. Did you have any capacity issues that have been mentioned on other setups, are you running just the stock resevoir with the modded restrictor? Thanks again, added to favorites

[freds40]

My system holds just about 2 full quarts of fluid. I run a tranny cooler that I had lying around and I have plenty of capacity. No squealing from the pump as many others have had. From what I hear, the people that have the squealing problem, are not running a cooler/larger reservoir. My thoughts were more capacity plus more cooling will make the pump run at it's best. Took me all of 10 mins. to put the pump in line with the return line.

[KYOTA]

I've got a cooler on mine already, now I just need to round up the other parts and go for it!

[Brandon]

A full on step by step how to for dummies would rock, I have a disassembled box on my workbench ready for rebuilt and tap. Thanks for sharing..

[freds40]

If I could get another box to take pics while I did it, I'd post up something like that. Any one in Fresno with a good box want to bring the brew (root) and we can have at it. 

[stone4x4]

hell yea

[yotaboy79]

ive got axcess to a whole trailer full of hydrolic rams at school as soon as summers over im gunna be digging through that trailer oh and hoses too for freeeee~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freds40]

Finally found the receipt with the part numbers from Surplus Center. Also added them into my makeshift write-up

Ram                      9-4410-06
Hoses                    916-1436
3/8-1/4 bushings     9-1938
1/4 90s                 9-1922

[reklund5]

I tried to check out surpluscenter.com  and the website is no good.    Any other way to get a hold of these guys?

Ryan

[freds40]

http://www.surpluscenter.com/ or try 1-800-488-3407

[freds40]

Someone was looking for Hydro assist info?

[yotaboy79]

http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID=2004080819590582 here ya go

[yotaboy79]

he beat me to it

[BigMike]

Hey Brendon,

I'm actually just now checking out this thread, very nice I must say!

My only question about doing power assist is its responce in the windy roads. Being my MR2 roots, I also push my truck to its limits (havn't found them yet though ) and I heard that the assist causes bad delays with turning and its really annoying and difficult to feel any feedback through the steering wheel, which is important in determining the neutral feel of the vehicle's over/under-steer..

But you did write that with a minor mod to the pump it drives almost unnoticable, also the ram is smaller than the "Big Company" kits (whatever) so I am just courious how that was with the responce with the ram. If you wiggle the wheel back and forth while driving straight, does it try to kick in and produce turning power a bit delayed, and then turn your truck all over the place, or does it still go straight and the steering wheel just feels like its disconnected

Also if you are still willing to take some pics of a powersteering box, I've got a late model IFS box (with the breather) that I've already got set aside for my HySteer conversion, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. I can tear the box apart and bring it over and we can take some pics. Then I'll just plug up the new holes until I am ready to buy the ram and build it.

Let me know-
BigMike

[freds40]

Yeah we could drill/tap your box no problem. On the steering, I've heard that if no mods are done to the box, the steering is sluggish and a little slow. The simple mod I did (5 mins.) makes the delay non-existent. For instance, I ran Swamp with some friends a couple of months ago. I parked the tow rig right where Rock Creek rd. takes off from Dinky Creek rd. I drove to the trail head off rock creek. It was a trip cruising down Rock Creek @ 30 and the wheel felt loose. I have driven the setup on the road a fair amount and I can say there is enough feedback that when coming out of a corner, you don't over steer, the wheel still centers a bit on it's own. The ram I used was a 1.5" ram. Most say that with an assist system to stay with a 1.5, the 1.75 rams tend to get a bit big and the added volume makes the system more sluggish.

[84runner]

So can we get another update on this ? Hows it been treating you ? Anymore runs on this setup ?

[freds40]

Nothing as of yet. I ran it over the summer and beat the crap out of it. worked great and I never had a problem turning the wheels where I wanted to. That ram has since been sold as I need a longer stroke ram for the 60. Keep an eye on my buildup of Formula Toy #31 for an update. Everything else in the system will remain the same and the ram is the same make just a couple of inches longer so it's basically the same setup. 

[freds40]

BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'

[mudguts]

BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'

I found a wrecked 92 pu 4x and can score the box for cheap. I'll get back with you in a few days.

[mr4x42u]

BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'

I'd be more then happy to send you my box..I CAN SHIP IT WHEN EVER YOUR READY

i HAVE ONE LOOSE THATS GOING TO BE USED JUST FOR THIS REASON..HYDRO

[freds40]

Got one from ToeCutter already. Just need the time to do it and take some pics. My daughter is turning 1 in 2 weeks and we're trying to get ready for the party (yardwork, getting rid of a bunch of Toy parts out back, etc...)

[FRENCHBLUE72]

That look s like a pretty sweet azz set-up look s like I may upgrade when I go cross over..

[freds40]

Finished tapping the box last night, just need to clean and reassemble. Took PLENTY of pictures this time. 

[mudguts]

I'll bring ya your twelver soon. Root Beer if me memory serves me correct 

[TacoRunner]

Ok lets see those pics.   So how much did you say you spent for this whole setup.