Topic: A REALLY Inconvenient Truth

[Stocker]

Found this interesting item on another board, hope it's not a repost here. http://www.conservative.org/pressroom/2007/070806twohouses.htm

And yes, it passes the Snopes test.  http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

[WHITE_TRASH]

Not surprising at all.  Typically liberal democrats are liars anyway...

[kneedownnate]

I'd love to watch that pompous (sp) ass try and explain why a supposed environmental activist is leaving such a huge footprint on the world 

[BLACKDOG]

Its  ok though, because he's paying the greenies for al the carbon credits he's using 

there was a video I got in an email a while ago, it showed Al Gore pulling up to some event in an escalade.  Last I heard, those weren't particularly environmentally friendly.

[abnormaltoy]

This is old.

But, yes, he is a typical liberal/green weenie/socialist...not only is he one of the most prominent people in the man caused global warming, climate change scam. He's big in the carbon credit scam, in fact he owns one of the companies where he's buying his carbon credits!!!
Hopefully the nation will wake up from this "MTV/American Idol/reality TV in general" coma they're in and this will just go away before too much damage is done to our economy and we lose any more freedom.

[jimbo74]

Al Gore pulling up to some event in an escalade.  Last I heard, those weren't particularly environmentally friendly.

not sure... but their might be a escalade hybrid now... i know there is a yukon hybrid, and the escalade is the same truck

not saying that in defense of gore, just saying

[Toymin8r]

Oh there is way more to the Al gore story.  His father, A former Senator, was executive vice president of an oil company called Occidental Petroleum Co. In 1995 the Clinton/Gore administration initiated something called the National Performance Review.  It was VP Al Gore's Project to cut down on government waste.  He recommended the privatization of Elk Hills, a 47,000 acre oil rich land in southern California.  It had been in the the posession of the US navey since 1912 as an emergency oil reserve.  The government took bids for the land.  The Energy Dept. announced in 1997 that it would sell the land to,  you guessed it, Occidental Petroleum Co. for $3.65billion.  Overnight Occidental's Oil reserves tripled, which sent their stock through the roof.  The Gore's had $500,000 worth of Occidental Stock at the time.   

Also, in the 1970's Al gore sr. was also executive Vice President of Island Creek Coal Co.  At the time it was the nations 3rd largest producer of coal. 

Al gore jr. Owns land near his ranch in Tennessee that is leased to Union zinc.  They mine zinc ore from it. 

On another note.  Al Gore's green initiatives that he is trying to force upon us is very profitable for companies selling "green" products.  Al gore Claims carbon points by buying these products,  except he owns the company from which he is buying them from and stands to make huge profits if he can convince the world that we are all doomed.

Socialism by design eliminates a middle class and keeps rich people rich and everyone else poor.  You can't tax money someone already has and you can never get there it they keep taking it.

[kneedownnate]

not sure... but their might be a escalade hybrid now... i know there is a yukon hybrid, and the escalade is the same truck

I'd rather pull up in the 400hp lexus hybrid   

[Huhwhye]

Not surprising at all.  Typically liberal democrats are liars anyway...

True.  Just like all those lying republicans.  Politicians, they are all lying hypocrites, no surprise there.

[Huhwhye]

I'd rather pull up in the 400hp lexus hybrid   

That car is so stupid.  My Dad has a new LS460 and we were at the dealer looking at the Hybrid LS.  It gets LESS MPG than the regular model and cost like 40 grand more.  The only difference is it has less emissions, probably partly because it is AWD.

But the emissions are still really high compared to a small car.  The number on the Hybrid is still 3 times as high as a regular Honda Accord for example.  Just a stupid car.  There was another guy there buying an LS and he was interested in the Hybrid.  But after looking at it he said he would buy the regular LS and a second car, a Prius, if he wanted to save the world and "do his part"

[kneedownnate]

Just like so many hybrids, they're made to make people feel better about themselves and feel like they're making less of a negative impact.  These are probably the same people who make a big deal out of what little they contribute to charities so everybody knows how good they are.  I'm down with the prius, but I really kinda feel like hybrids in general are a joke.  Cars can be efficient without having to have hybrid technology, but lead foots don't help either 

[germ]

I wish I could remember exactly, or find the reference, but I remember reading where some mathmatician figured out you would have to drive a hybrid like 7-10 years before you recoup the extra cost of the hybrid with the gas savings. That of course was based on certain assumptions of gas prices and claimed milage. The other point it brought up was that it carried several hundred extra pounds of batteries, and no one has yet figured out what to do with these batteries, especially if in an accident.

I think a hybrid may be worthwhile if your a city dweller, and never use it on the highway, but not for anyone else.

[94MtnYote]

  Bush or Gore, Republican, Democrat these days whats the difference. They all want to use the connections they have to make deals what else is new.   

[BLACKDOG]

not sure... but their might be a escalade hybrid now... i know there is a yukon hybrid, and the escalade is the same truck

not saying that in defense of gore, just saying

Its  ok though, because he's paying the greenies for al the carbon credits he's using 

there was a video I got in an email a while ago, it showed Al Gore pulling up to some event in an escalade.  Last I heard, those weren't particularly environmentally friendly.

The other point it brought up was that it carried several hundred extra pounds of batteries, and no one has yet figured out what to do with these batteries, especially if in an accident.

  and tha fact that they make extrications and such EXTREMELY dangerous for FFs.  Every maker routes the power lines differently, and even the same cars of different years are different.  They bury the batteries, so they are often inaccessible, and even though they do include safety shutoff switches, they aren't well marked (emergency use only, don't want average joe knowing where they are) and in stupid places.

[Stocker [OP]]

I wish I could remember exactly, or find the reference, but I remember reading where some mathmatician figured out you would have to drive a hybrid like 7-10 years before you recoup the extra cost of the hybrid with the gas savings.

I have read similar articles, and another point is that for a supposedly 'green' vehicle, a lot more natural resources are required in the manufacturing process than for a comparable conventional vehicle.

[Hammerhead]

  Bush or Gore, Republican, Democrat these days whats the difference. They all want to use the connections they have to make deals what else is new.  

Bush is a capitalist and capitalism works - Gore is a Marxist and communism does not - big difference

[abnormaltoy]

You know...you guys are the best.    I love all the common sense around here.

[94MtnYote]

Bush is a capitalist and capitalism works - Gore is a Marxist and communism does not - big difference

Oh yes, the Bush administration's economics plans are serving our country so well, gas over $4.00 a gallon, price of grain doubling in 2 months, not to mention an ungodly deficit, and recession on the horizon blah blah blah.
 Yes capitalism works it allows the American dream to be possible, although at this time our current administration doesn't appear to be making it work too well.
   
slightly altered for more accuracy 

[kneedownnate]

I love how everybody blames bush for the high oil prices 

Ever watch the news?  High grain prices are from everybody trying so hard to find "alternative fuels". 

[abnormaltoy]

Oh yes, Bush's economics plans are serving our country so well, gas over $4.00 a gallon, price of grain doubling in 2 months, not to mention an ungodly deficit, and recession on the horizon blah blah blah.
 Yes capitalism works it allows the American dream to be possible, although at this time Bush doesn't appear to be making it work to well.
   

You don't seriously think that the policies in place are the sole responsibility of President Bush, do you? Have you completely forgotten the Legislative branch of government? The President does not make law he only signs laws into being or vetoes them. The more we and the economy are regulated the worse off we are. You can think of regulation acting the same way as a throttle, as an obstruction…holding back the potential of an engine. A synonym for throttle is choke, as in to choke the life out of someone or something.

As for the price of fuel...the price is mainly set by speculators (not BIG OIL) and there are more forces at work than any one man's policy. Tension in the Middle East causes the spot market price to go up. Increased demand, world wide causes the spot market price to go up. OPEC sets a minimum price for oil then speculators can, through fear of supply interruptions or shortfalls, drive the price up. The current devalued status of the dollar has had the effect of driving up prices because we have to pay for it with dollars that are now worth 80 cents to import it. The dollar is devalued because of our national debt and because the Fed prints money when it thinks we need more to curb inflation or to spur investment. Too many dollars in a market can have the effect of causing the value of each dollar to be reduced. It’s supply and demand…a restricted supply of anything in demand will fetch a higher price than if you have an unfettered supply of that thing.
 
You want to stop inflation? Get a more sound monetary policy. Drill for our own oil...NOW. Modernize the oil infrastructure. Quit taking food out of people’s mouths to put in our fuel tanks. Quit bailing out financial institutions that are in trouble because of choices they made. Quit bailing out investors/speculators that have made poor choices. The markets will take care of themselves…if, we keep the government out of it.

[WHITE_TRASH]

Now, now abnormaltoy don't go confusing facts with speculation and left wing brain washing from the media.  It IS bushes fault, a bunch of pompous hollywood idiots said so!!!! 

[abnormaltoy]

Now, now abnormaltoy don't go confusing facts with speculation and left wing brain washing from the media.  It IS bushes fault, a bunch of pompous hollywood idiots said so!!!! 

I'm sorry. I'll go back to watching I Love New York.

[WHITE_TRASH]

And follow that up with all of Michael Moores documentaries.  You should be able to find them in the fictions section at blockbuster....

[Lady Di]

according to consumer reports, while they did report about 3 years ago or so that the extra cost for the price of a hybrid was not worth the offset of the fuel savings, not so anymore. Their most recent report, due to the escalating cost of fuel, does show that they are now worth the exta $$ and the difference has come down some as well.
That being said, we personally did not want a Prius for any other reason then to stick it to the oil companies.
I don't know about all this extra weight thing, I'm still getting about 45-48 mpg regardless of what it weighs, I don't care what it takes to build it, the lithiom ion batteries it uses will go somewhere eventually, accident or no accident, it don't make me no nevermind, we didn't buy it to be green.
As far as I'm concerned I could leave a "carbon footprint" that would make sasquatch blush.
Of course they do say they do much better in flat states like FL and 90% of my driving is around town. BUT most of my co-workers driving is on the interstates and his mileage is not much different then mine. In fact, he does construction administration for our company and because the mileage reimbursment amt. is so high right now his monthly reimbursment check from the company pays his car payment.

[abnormaltoy]

reason then to stick it to the oil companies.

What did they do to you?

[94MtnYote]

Bush is a capitalist and capitalism works - Gore is a Marxist and communism does not - big difference

Are you going to back this up?

[Hammerhead]

Why? ...it's already been covered...

[DAWGTOY]

hey mwm. glad to know i'm not the only one on here who has a prius.
i get constant 45-48 mpg depending on how i drive. and im real
proud to say i bought it wrecked- repaired it myself (cept for paint)
and have just a little more than 10 grand in it. it drives just as good
as a new car.
 and as far as being green minded, the family owned plumbing business
i work for has 4 civic hybrids and 3 prius. we do commercial work only
and our work is up to one hour from the office. the guys take supplys
once a week in regular plumbing vans, the rest of the week they drive
hybrids. saves us a ton on fuel cost.
 btw the hondas are avg 42-45 mpg the toys 45-48.



justaslowwalkinsofttalkindawg

[Lady Di]

Hey, that's cool Dawg! I didn't know you were in the Prius gang too.
I find that if I just set the cruise control, which I can set as low as 23 mph, I can get upwards of 50-60 mpg or more.
I'm on my third week of my first 11 gall. fill-up.
I'm hoping to make it to Fri.

[94MtnYote]

Why? ...it's already been covered...

Well good, then it shouldn't be too hard to back up this claim with a few facts.