Author Topic: So maybe a 350 Swap? (Read 5568 times)

THK Matt · « **on:** Jun 23, 2007, 03:39:23 AM »

hmm... well my dad, my cousin and i were bouncing idea's around today while workin' on his 94 GMC Yukon's stereo system...

and we were talking about if it is cheaper to find a used 350 and swap it into my truck instead of making my 22RE a HP engine or rebuilding it stock.

what do you guys think?
is a 350 swap worth it or will it cost more?

and if it is cheaper....
then what model 350?
..... like what years..
id like to do a TBI 350 with a standalone CPU
and ive heard i can use my stock tranny and tcase.
true?

and what gears would i need in my rear?
can i stay 4:10s all around... or will i need 3.7s.

i need more options then just the 22RE rebuild.
it would be its 3rd rebuilt engine.

load me up with info guys. i need it.

*ROKTOY* · « **Reply #1 on:** Jun 23, 2007, 05:53:07 AM »

350 swap would be cheaper, but won't be cheap either. You can use your stock trans and gears, but if you abuse it it won't last, All the older 350's will work, But a better option would be a Chevy 4.3 v6, you can also go with a ford 302, then there is the 2RZ & 3RZ not to mension UZFE family of v8 and diesels.

Yota Tony · « **Reply #2 on:** Jun 23, 2007, 08:15:22 AM »

The stock Toyota trans and t-case won't hold up to the abuse.

THK Matt · « **Reply #3 on:** Jun 23, 2007, 03:35:02 PM »

thats what i was thinking.
so what tranz with a 4.3 or 302?
and what gears to make it almost stock on 33s.

Oddmar · « **Reply #4 on:** Jun 24, 2007, 12:02:47 AM »

LOL @ Sandpoint, Idaho...I've been to Bonner's Ferry.

The stock Toyota tranny & transfer case will take the 4.3 or 350 torque just fine...for more info, go to http://www.downeyoff-road.com/

Yota Tony · « **Reply #5 on:** Jun 24, 2007, 07:34:08 AM »

Stock yes, but do some upgrades and 350 torque will bust many factory Toyota parts.
Personally if I was doing a 350 swap I'd do TH350, NP205 doubler, HP D60 front and 14 bolt rear.

*ROKTOY* · « **Reply #6 on:** Jun 24, 2007, 07:53:53 AM »

Quote from: ToyRider.87 on Jun 23, 2007, 03:35:02 PM

thats what i was thinking.
so what tranz with a 4.3 or 302?
and what gears to make it almost stock on 33s.

Stock trans, & 4.88.

88stewy · « **Reply #7 on:** Jun 24, 2007, 07:19:46 PM »

I dont have a Toy mini truck but I did have a 350 with a 350 Tranny in an S-10 with Toy axles. They held up fine under hard abuse with a 36 inch tire. As far as the Toy tranny and T- case.... I have no clue. Now I still have the 350 but with a built to the hilt 700R and a 205 doubler and a D-60 out back. I still have the Toy axle up front and expect it to be fine if I drive it right... (most of the time).

Lizard_lips · « **Reply #8 on:** Jun 25, 2007, 10:39:16 AM »

I have a built 350 in my toy. You'd be better off going with a Th350 or 400 tranny if you want an auto. I haven't had any problems with mine. Toy junk won't hold up the the power and torque a 350 can produce unless you beef them up or have a nothin 350

THK Matt · « **Reply #9 on:** Jun 26, 2007, 12:46:14 AM »

i want a 5speed... i wont go auto.
i will beef the tranny up and put a 4.3 in....

help on that?

THK Matt · « **Reply #10 on:** Jun 26, 2007, 12:49:57 AM »

Quote from: toyguy86 on Jun 24, 2007, 07:53:53 AM

Stock trans, & 4.88.

so with 4.88s.... whats my topspeed on high way you think with a 4.3

Lizard_lips · « **Reply #11 on:** Jun 26, 2007, 09:00:09 AM »

It should be fine with a 4.3 I'm doing something similar in my other truck I'm building. Not sure about the top speed maybe 75ish? My bro has a 435 4 speed and a 205 in his runner with 5.13's and top speed with him is about 60-65 maybe 70 down hill with a tail wind drafting

THK Matt · « **Reply #12 on:** Jun 26, 2007, 11:16:27 AM »

alright cool.
as long as it gets there somewhat quick...... quicker then my 22RE

THK Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** Jun 26, 2007, 11:21:11 AM »

Quote from: Oddmar on Jun 24, 2007, 12:02:47 AM

LOL @ Sandpoint, Idaho...I've been to Bonner's Ferry.

The stock Toyota tranny & transfer case will take the 4.3 or 350 torque just fine...for more info, go to http://www.downeyoff-road.com/

Where you live?

Oddmar · « **Reply #14 on:** Jun 27, 2007, 06:06:27 PM »

I live in Pekin, Illinois, but i've traveled all over. I went up to Bonner's Ferry in 1992, lived a month or so on a guy's land...he builds underground houses, and i wanted to see them first-hand. The Randy Weaver Ruby Ridge thing was going on then, but i was only vaguely aware of it.

Maybe a stronger Toyota 5-speed like the R150 or R150F, that came behind the 3.0 or 3.4 engines, would last longer with a 4.3 V6.

old school toy · « **Reply #15 on:** Jun 27, 2007, 08:40:01 PM »

I would go with fuel injection v-8 with 4 speed auto

THK Matt · « **Reply #16 on:** Jun 28, 2007, 01:27:16 PM »

yeah it probably would.
i'll do that then.

and im not goin a V8 now... i need economy and i wont ever go automatic.
ever!
I HATE THEM.
you cant really control the gears.

88stewy · « **Reply #17 on:** Jun 28, 2007, 02:01:49 PM »

Quote from: ToyRider.87 on Jun 28, 2007, 01:27:16 PM

yeah it probably would.
I'll do that then.

and I'm not goin a V8 now... i need economy and i wont ever go automatic.
ever!
I HATE THEM.
you cant really control the gears.

You don't have to like an auto jammer and I wont try and talk you into one but your statement of not being able to control the gears is not true. You may be referring to a stock tranny where you have only minimum control but my good friend builds GM, Ford and Dodge automatics for a living. With some of the right aftermarket parts you can make an auto do just about anything you want and I am not talking about a ton of money to make it happen either. A full manual valve body is a great example of this.

mudbrother1992 · « **Reply #18 on:** Jun 28, 2007, 09:31:11 PM »

about your question of using a toyota tranny and t case with the 4.3, well i have had some bad luck with the 4.3 first and but if you got a trans out of a toyota truck with a v6 i think that is all you are going to need last week i picked up a truck just for parts and it was a really weird setup but it was a 1981 toyota pick up with a 3.8 carb. buick motor and a th350 trans and a toyota transfercase it had a adapter from advanced adapters and if the engine were turned in right that would have been a awesome setup i was doing burners on a 38 with the stock axles setup just to give you an idea of a good setup i have seen or you could even do a newer 3.8 but as for the trans and t case i say go for it i dont think you will be disappointed

THK Matt · « **Reply #19 on:** Jun 29, 2007, 05:57:43 AM »

yeah true.
i just like the feel of a 5speed.
real men drive manuals.
haha just kidding.
but thats my opinion.

and yes i would like to keep my running gear. minimum swapping of

as possible.
i dont need an extreme rig.
im not a hardcore 4x4'r

907yota · « **Reply #20 on:** Jul 17, 2007, 10:51:53 PM »

keep it toyota 3.4 or 2.7 3rz

4XFlyin · « **Reply #21 on:** Jul 17, 2007, 11:20:00 PM »

99% of the men driving competition rock crawlers use automatics.

Lizard_lips · « **Reply #22 on:** Jul 18, 2007, 08:43:24 AM »

i use one. and my bro is getting rid of his stick and going auto too. if you drive it all the time and drive it hard its the way to go

THK Matt · « **Reply #23 on:** Jul 18, 2007, 04:31:08 PM »

when i get old and lazy, ill go automatic.
and i think i will consider the 2.7 before a 350.

ive been reading good reviews on it.

cause id love to keep it toyota, and the 2.7 has more power then the damn 3.slow.

907yota · « **Reply #24 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 01:22:03 PM »

toyota, all the way!!! hope you stick with the 2.7... i have a buddy who did that swap and he never looked back at me in the rear view with my 22re wen were boming down the beach At poli hale(kaua'i)... not to bad mouth the 22re it served me well, but the 2.7 is definetly in the future for me... plus the stock w56 tranny and t-case holds up to the abuse ,Based on wot i've seen my buddy put his rig through( sand , mud, rocks and roots its all good)

gtoyonrocks · « **Reply #25 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 01:30:37 PM »

I have a 97 central manifold injected 4.3 in my third gen. I was running a w series tranny, I blew two of them up before I switched to the th 350, I also changed the rear end, now I'm running a taco rear end, a non trd on. This set up seems to work great. Alot of it has to do with how hard you are on the truck. My truck puts almost 200 ponies to the ground with 37's, so it's nothing to bat your eyes at. The nice thing about the 4.3 is the way that it makes power, it's a really torquey motor, it's not real high strung like most yota motors. My truck was perfect with 410 thirdmembers and a w series. I would recommend either a r series or a chevy trans.

red · « **Reply #26 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 03:05:37 PM »

if you decide to go with a gm engine-4.3, 5.0, 5.3, or 5.7-they all have the same bolt pattern so any gm tranny will bolt up. if you wanna go manual, use either an sm465 or an nv4500. MUCH stiffer clutch than a toyota clutch (i just went from driving my 81 gmc 305-sm465 to driving an 87 4runner 22re-w56b). differance is nearly the same crawl gear on the sm465 and nv4500 (6.55:1), but the nv4500 has overdrive. advance adapters makes a bellhousing to bolt a gm motor to a toyota manual tranny. if you decide to go with a 350 (unnecessary, go with the 4.3 if you want the high power) then go with a dana 300 t-case or a marlin crawler box, an np205 (though very sturdy) has a horrible low range at 1.96:1, and running a doubler setup will cost you roughly 1100 bucks. though dang near bombproof, its major overkill. just my

gtoyonrocks · « **Reply #27 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 03:24:24 PM »

yea, what he said.

bigarms23 · « **Reply #28 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 03:25:21 PM »

i would go with the 4.3chevy vortec v6 because its cheaper and lighter than a 350 and you could easly spend the same amount on your current 22re

topar · « **Reply #29 on:** Jul 23, 2007, 04:35:18 PM »

I run a 350, turbo 400, Danna 300 twin stick. First auto tranny I have had in a off road truck. I like it but I am old!

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