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This is an interesting statement. If we should follow his commandments, why only nine of the ten? I agree that following the commandments has nothing to do with salvation, but keeping the commandments is evidence of a relationship with God and a sign of our willingness to do his will.
Chim - God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.By choosing a 6 year old, you open the door to the age of accountability.
God is the same... but look how things have changed.. Jesus said if you lust after a woman in your heart its just as bad as actually doing it.. it was also said eye for eye, now Jesus says to love your neighbor.... Law has been fulfilled... God is the same, but these things are obviously different.
...and when He clarified them for us, we see that sabbath was made for man.. not man for the sabbath, and its not dependant on a certain day of the week!
I would have to disagree with a chronological definition of this. I agree with you,in that it is up to God. He alone is the Judge of our innocence. Again I look at "He that knoweth to do right and doeth it not, to him it is sin." Without the knowledge, there is no sin, only innocence. I hope I was correct in my quotes, because they were from memory.
(1) Now, I believe that the "Beast" is Satan. The "Mark of the Beast" therefore is SIN. The woman in the earlier post is the religious group as a whole. And God is calling the Church to Him. (2) I personally find no prohibition in the bible for the consumption of alcohol. (personal conviction) If you believe it is wrong, then for you to would be sin. (3) The Sabbath was set aside for man to worship God with teaching, offerings and sacrifices. Man was not made so that he could worship on the Sabbath. This was set up as a ritual reminder in the law. Now that the law was fulfilled, God is to be the center of our lives, so every day is the Sabbath. And everyone we come in contact with is to be treated as Jesus himself. That to me is the ultimate in worshipping God.
Ok now that everyone knows a little about be, please allow me to add to this topic. I am very interested in the Sabbath on Saturday vs. Sunday conversation. I have one question: Where in the Bible does it say that Sunday shall be the first day of the week? I have not found anything that says that, but I am still young and have not been reading the Bible for a while now, so I probably skipped it over when I did read.
Thanks for the history lesson. I like learning about history, especially involving the Bible and the church. I just never understood why the week had to start on Sunday. It does make more sense now though. I think it doesn't really matter when you worship. But that is just my current opinion, it may change, I don't know. I understand the point of setting aside the Seventh Day for rest, I was just wondering if any other day could be the Seventh Day, depending upon when the individual starts his/her First Day, or if the first day and last day were predetermined in the Bible as Sunday and Saturday.On to something new that doesn't apply to much that has been discussed but I currently need help with: My wheeling buddy tells me that he doesn't think he believes in God anytime I bring up religion. What am I supposed to say to him? He has been one of my best friends for quite a few years now, and I would hate to ruin it all now. I guess I don't make friends easily, because most of the kids that I know party all of the time, and I am not into that. Plus many of them don't like wheeling, they just like to go and tear up the land in their high powered destroy-the-land-mobiles (I don't consider this wheeling). In other words, I don't want to lose my good friend over religious beliefs. Should I just not bring it up? Or what? Sometimes it really bothers me that he tells me this stuff, and it makes me feel like I should try to spread the Word to him, but I don't know if I am ready to take on this challenge. Ideas? Thanks in advance for any responses to this even though it is way off topic.
When we get a break in the discussion, I would like to introduce a new topic: Gays in the Christian Church. It doesn't need to be talked about right now, because other things are being discussed. Heh, my earlier question was probably a little off topic anyways, but I am hoping that I am introducing a valid point to this discussion. I'm sorry if I am rambling, I've been awake for quite a few hours now. I guess I will check in sometime soon!
Quick Question BD, Do you have a concordance? If so can you tell be the first reference in the OT of "Sabbath"? I just did a quick scan (don't have a concordance) and the first reference I saw was the 10C's. Genesis was just "on the sixth day...". If that is the case, the 10 commandments were the origin of Jewish Law. It was the Jewish Law that placed the restrictions about what you couldn't do that day. The Sabbath was commanded to be a day of rest. No one was allowed to do any work: wife, children, servants. You were also forbidden to cause anyone else to work on that day. This included any work. harvesting, cleaning, cooking, serving(by servants). As a correlation to today, you would not be allowed to buy merchandise at a store on Saturday, becuase that would be requiring someone to work providing service to you. And by requiring the service,you would be guilty of breaking the sabbath.I have got to get some sleep tonight. Y'all have gotten me interested in this and i stayed up too late again.
I think you may be correct that the word "Sabbath" may be used for the first time in Exodus 20, but let me get some things done today and I'll show that the Sabbath was known prior to that time.Very fair question.
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