Guys, be careful...

[BLACKDOG]

I didnt even look.  I am going to get my dads copy this weekend.  I just moved, and I have no idea where to even start looking.  I'll try to have it on Monday for all ya'll

this'll give some assistance until I can find that list.  Obviously all of this cant be used by just anyone, b ut it gives you a good overview

http://www.wildmed.com/wma_faid.html

[gonzo]

Cool  8)

[RHG]

Superglue! Its almost as handy as duct tape. If you cant duct it...well I am sure you've all heard it before.   I used to work at a bodyshop and handling all that sheet metal can leave some nice cuts. I used superglue all the time. Thats all that liquid bandaid crap they have now is, but superglue is cheaper and works better. Cheers to superglue

[gonzo]

Super Glue/ Tape (butterfly) its all good. 

[UNBREAKABLE]

ouch.....I've got two of those......1 just about in the same spot and one on the upper part of my right hand, inbetween my thumb and pointer finger ($1200 and 6 stiches for that one) I'm never going back to the doctor again. I have duct tape and neosporen

[synwars]

Hey, Snywars is it ok to use your thread to discuss first aid stuff? 

Ya mang, giver I don't care.

[synwars]

ouch.....I've got two of those......1 just about in the same spot and one on the upper part of my right hand, inbetween my thumb and pointer finger ($1200 and 6 stiches for that one) I'm never going back to the doctor again. I have duct tape and neosporen

Damn 1200 bones, that sucks. Oh ya I forgot about your medical system there. Gotta pay out the ass for everything. Up here, your cold neighbors to the north simply rush into the hospital and walk out.

I used to install carpet and various other flooring and working with knives all day long so we were bound to slice your hand open. It was usually a clean cut so we just taped it back up with masking tape. It holds but is easy to remove to clean later. I've never tried superglue though, how long does that take to set?

[Willy Mammoth]

I've never tried superglue though, how long does that take to set?

It's instant. I sware by it and use it all the time. Make sure you clean out the wound first cause it will hold it together for days and you don't want an infection. Useuly it will last till the healing starts and it helps keep it clean till then.

[BLACKDOG]

It's instant. I sware by it and use it all the time. Make sure you clean out the wound first cause it will hold it together for days and you don't want an infection. Useuly it will last till the healing starts and it helps keep it clean till then.

 

[germ]

It's instant. I sware by it and use it all the time. Make sure you clean out the wound first cause it will hold it together for days and you don't want an infection. Useuly it will last till the healing starts and it helps keep it clean till then.

In the ER, I use something called Dermabond, which is essentially the same as Super glue, however it is sterile (which superglue is not). The glue is very effective for certain wounds, ones that are relatively small, and do not have tension on them (I.E. knuckles , back of elbows etc.), as when these parts are moved, the glue will crack, and the wound will open again. The glue typically lasts from 4-7 days, which is usually enough for the skin to start repairing itself. However, it usually takes 10-14 days for a scar to be stable, and about 1 year for the wound to complete it's remodeling. The cut should be supported with Steri-strips after the glue falls off for about 5-7 days for a good outcome.

The problem there is that we only have about 6-8 hours to properly close a wound (a bit longer on the face), or we have to let it heal by secondary intention, which is basically using steri-strips. We can also "refresh" the wound by removing 1-2mm edge around the wound, then suture it. Wounds that are complicated, or deep, should not be closed with glue, as the underlying tisse needs to be supported and possibly repaired.

It is also very important to clean the wound exceptionally well. Water and soap are very good, and if you can use sterile water it's better (not convienent though). Any wound that gets infected will have a poor outcome, but glued wounds that get infected have even worse outcomes. If there is any signs of infection (redness, swelling, pain or draining pus), you should seek medical attention.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to lecture anyone on wound care or tell you to go to the ER for every little cut, but you have to look carefully at the wound, and if there is any question (I.E. it's not a simple wound, or over a high tension area), you should have a professional repair it. I'd be happy to go into more detail if people are interested, but don't want to bore you with details if your not.

Erik

[Willy Mammoth]

Thanks, It always helps to have instruction on how to do things and why, especially when it comes to your health. If I seal up a large cut or one in a place that will flex like between fingers I use a piece of gauze to help hold it together.

[quagmire]

If you are a comfortable with your manhood, you can get a box of "feminine" pads to use as gauze. They are lots cheaper, esp if you steal 'em from your SO, and individually sterile wrapped. You'll get funny looks, but they'll stop laughing when you spray a little blood on them.

[synwars]

That's an interesting one... I guess that would work seeing as it IS used to absorb blood but I dunno, we have a bunch of emergency kits around our shop soooo I think I'll just stick to gauze. Unless, of course, I could find some ultra thins with wings. It is much more discreet and you get the cleanest, freshest leak protection possible.

[gonzo]

That's an interesting one... I guess that would work seeing as it IS used to absorb blood but I dunno, we have a bunch of emergency kits around our shop soooo I think I'll just stick to gauze. Unless, of course, I could find some ultra thins with wings. It is much more discreet and you get the cleanest, freshest leak protection possible.

[Cheesemaker]

We just hired a new guy at work, who was a medic in the Iraq war, he was telling us they would use tampons out in the field to plug bullet wounds!! 

[germ]

In the first Gulf War, I'd have marines asking me for condoms...Not for the usual use, but to keep sand out their M-16's.

Tampon's would work well, 'cause they swell a bit when absorbing blood, thus providing pressure and stopping the bleeding. A bit hard to explain why you have a tampon string hangin from your belly though.

Erik

[Cheesemaker]

the condom trick is old school, buddies of mine and some uncles used to do that in Vietnam.   

[rockhound]

I'm starting to get that not so fresh feeling.

[rockhound]

How's it healing up Synwars? Any infection. Are you changing dressing or just leaving it in the open?
I thought of your thread just a couple days ago, on my square shaft build, when using the angle grinder, I got my left index knuckle too close. A grinding gash and metal bits. 


I removed the gaurd to have a better cutting radius. 

[synwars]

Ya it was already a week old by the time I took the pics and I posted them a week after I took the pics and that was last week soooo its actually doing quite fine. I kept dressing on it for a few days and then I said hell with it and only put it on when I was working on my front axle to keep grease n oil out of it. Plus I wore doctors gloves, hand condoms. I took out the stitches myself and its doing wonderfully. I'll post some battle scar pics in a day or two. It is healing up nicely. Only thing is I can't feel part of my palm, musta cut the nerves.

Rockhound, ya man you gots to be careful with the grinder. My bro made a nice gash on his face when over head grinding one day without a mask in close quarters. After the doctors finished picking out the rusty metal bits out of his eyes the next day, I decided everytime I use one of those things its gonna be full leather gloves, face mask/goggles, and ear plugs. Those things can kick back something nasty especially when zip cutting. The only good thing is that when you do grind yourself with it, it automatically cauterizes the wound.

[rockhound]

Yeah, which makes it harder to dig out the metal shavings. 

Good to hear it healed up nicely. 
The feeling should come back eventually.   

[RHG]

I was using a grinder one time to cut some rusted bolts out of the bed of my friends 62GMC   and I was wearing leather gloves. I went to grab a bolt and pull it out and the damn thing cooked straight through the glove and into my thumb. Hurt for a second then stopped and it burned it closed. If your gunna hurt yourself thats the way to go. ha ha 

[synwars]

I was using a grinder one time to cut some rusted bolts out of the bed of my friends 62GMC and I was wearing leather gloves. I went to grab a bolt and pull it out and the damn thing cooked straight through the glove and into my thumb. Hurt for a second then stopped and it burned it closed. If your gunna hurt yourself thats the way to go. ha ha

Haha thats what I'm talkin about! Ya especially those zip discs they cut through everything like butta!!!

[BLACKDOG]

Yeah, which makes it harder to dig out the metal shavings. 

Good to hear it healed up nicely. 
The feeling should come back eventually.   

hopefully
I had jaw surgery betwee my sophmore/junior years, and in one spot, I dont have any feeling in my face, when i push on it, it tingles, like when your foot goes to sleep.

Not having feelign can be dangerous.  My little brother has a friend who has a lot of health problems, and he burned himself bad and didnt even notice it cause his nerve receptors are stunted or something

[germ]

It is healing up nicely. Only thing is I can't feel part of my palm, musta cut the nerves.

Hey synwars, you should get that checked. When nerves are cut, depending on where it is cut, it can be repaired with surgery. Fairly easy way to tell if the nerve is completly cut...Close your eyes, and use a pencil (or have someone do it for you) to touch the area. If you can feel pressure, but not normal sensation, then the nerve is injured, but not completley cut. If you have no sensation whatosever, then the nerve is severed, and could possibly require surgical repair. Nerves can regenerate (sort-of), at a rate of about 1-2mm per year. If you have any motor weakness (hard time making a fist, or weakness of the fingers) then you absolutly need follow up, as this is a more serious injury.

Glad to hear you didn't have any infections.

Erik

[synwars]

It's weird really. I can feel pressure, and I can feel touch/hot/cold, but its like its permanently asleep. Kinda like when you sleep on your arm and you wake up and its numb for a short time... but it's numb all the time in that one spot. I can poke a pin in it and it doesn't really hurt. I move it over a couple inches and OUCH. I dunno, I'm not too worried about it...

[Cheesemaker]

My dad had a slight shooting sincident way back in boot camp with two fingers on his left hand.  No real physical damage, but not much sensation/feeling from the last knuckle to fingertip.  Well, thirty years later he's ran a skilsaw through the tips at least four times in the last six years.  He just goes to the doctor to get it cleaned up, and then goes back to work!!!  My old man is one tough SOB!!

[gonzo]

Does this first aid kit look like a good starter to have on the trail?  I got it a Costco for 19.99.  I thought it looked good but I would like other opinions and what it might need to have added.

[gonzo]

better view of contents. What do you think Blackdog?

[BLACKDOG]

That looks like a pretty good one gonzo   lose thos scissors and get a pair of trauma shears, you wont regret it, those scissors are crap with thicker stuff.  You can get trauma shears at medical supply stores, or even a community college that has nusrsing or medical courses.  I paid about 3.50 for mine, and they have cut through denim and canvas.  Walmart or drug stores probably have them too

I would get some more gauze pads, the 4"x4"s and a coupla rolls of wrap, and an Ace bandage to put in there.  All of this you can buy anywhere.  Also, I would toss in a tube of super glue a spray can of neosporin, some antibacterial alcohol hand cleanser, and I would definitely get a bigger case for it all to go in.  In my experience, those cases are always too small, and once you open them, its a PITA to close them, let alone add anything.  Surplus stores usually have a wide assortment of verious canvas pouches and such, you might try them, or get an ammo box, that is what my dad did.