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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #60 on: Feb 20, 2021, 07:28:31 PM »
Since adjusting the valves it does run much smoother and it starts with a slight bump of the key where before it would take a few seconds.

I got to looking and it has a lot of seeping oil too. 
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #61 on: Feb 20, 2021, 07:34:04 PM »

I got to looking and it has a lot of seeping oil too. 

I would take it to a drive thru car wash, spray the heck out of it with engine degreaser, pressure wash that oil off, drive it home and then look at it all over to see where the oil is coming from.

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #62 on: Feb 21, 2021, 05:53:05 AM »
I found this on replacing the valve seals without removing the head.

I'm curious of anyone else has done this?

http://4x4wire.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/498946.html

For me, the head is THE most important part on a 22.  So, unless there would be some mitigating circumstance that made NOT removing the head an option (of course cost can be a mitigating circumstance!), I would remove the head and have it rebuilt by a pro that knows these heads inside and out and backwards and forwards.

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #63 on: Feb 21, 2021, 12:20:54 PM »
Since it now looks like I need to start going through everything step by step, I want to test my vacuum at the vacuum advance unit and test the EGR valve.  Do I just need a vacuum gauge for testing or should I get a hand held pump or do I need both? 
I remembered last night that I forgot to hook up the two vacuum lines on my distributor yet my truck was running great without them hooked up.  So this morning I hooked them both back up. 
 
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #64 on: Feb 22, 2021, 05:03:42 PM »
I degreased the engine and power washed it yesterday to find my leaks.  It is seeping at the front oil seal at the oil pump, the oil pan, and the mechanical fuel pump.  I didn’t see any new oil seeping at the rear main seal but it has so much build up that I suspect it is leaking too.

I did call 22rePerformance again today and I’m not sure of who I spoke with, but was recommended that I should find a local machine shop and have either the head rebuilt or the engine.  He also said good luck finding a rebuildable 85+ block because those are hard to find.
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #65 on: Feb 23, 2021, 04:01:43 PM »
Checked my timing and it’s at 8 degrees, but when I disconnect the vacuum advance it doesn’t change.  I can feel the vacuum on the inner line so I know I have a bad vacuum advance on my distributor. Anyone know where I can get one?  Toyota doesn’t make them anymore
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #66 on: Feb 23, 2021, 04:33:09 PM »
Checked my timing and it’s at 8 degrees, but when I disconnect the vacuum advance it doesn’t change.  I can feel the vacuum on the inner line so I know I have a bad vacuum advance on my distributor. Anyone know where I can get one?  Toyota doesn’t make them anymore

May have to buy distributor..
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #67 on: Feb 23, 2021, 04:34:38 PM »
May try calling napa auto..I think that's where I got the one on my 84 from..
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #68 on: Feb 23, 2021, 05:00:21 PM »
May try calling napa auto..I think that's where I got the one on my 84 from..

I’ve been looking everywhere and can’t find one
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #69 on: Feb 23, 2021, 06:15:57 PM »
Here ya go..expensive lil bugger..

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #70 on: Feb 23, 2021, 06:25:54 PM »
I actually called Napa and they couldn’t find it in the system
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #71 on: Feb 23, 2021, 06:30:42 PM »
That's strange.. I just searched in distributor parts section..asked me a few question..BAM...
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #72 on: Feb 23, 2021, 06:51:54 PM »
That's strange.. I just searched in distributor parts section..asked me a few question..BAM...

I found it on the internet too so I called. They said since it shows it isn’t available to ship home that just means a couple stores might have them but they couldn’t see any.

Looks like I’ll have to order an entire new distributor.  Anyone have experience with the LCE street or pro distributor?
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #73 on: Feb 23, 2021, 07:46:27 PM »
What about junk yards?
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #74 on: Feb 23, 2021, 08:15:44 PM »
with my experience finding toyota trucks at a junk yard is like finding a unicorn. maybe in yer neck of the woods youll have better luck. maybe someone has one thats wrecked or parts truck that you can get parts from, or been sitting fer years that you know/drive by often that will sell you the whole thing, or what you need.
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #75 on: Feb 23, 2021, 08:31:57 PM »
What about junk yards?

No old carb Toyota’s in junk yards here.  What’s the name of the guy in Denver?  Is it yota Jim?
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #76 on: Feb 24, 2021, 12:04:14 AM »
No old carb Toyota’s in junk yards here.  What’s the name of the guy in Denver?  Is it yota Jim?

http://yotayard.com/
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #77 on: Feb 24, 2021, 12:24:25 AM »
Take the cap off the distributor, attach a vacuum line to both nipples of the vacuum advance, suck and see what happens.............
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #78 on: Feb 24, 2021, 06:02:18 AM »
On the distributor....

As I remember... on 85 22R I had timing advance issue.

I believe I took the disty apart and cleaned and lubed it and it worked fine.

Just a thought from the late 90's!!  :smack:

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #79 on: Feb 24, 2021, 06:15:12 AM »
Take the cap off the distributor, attach a vacuum line to both nipples of the vacuum advance, suck and see what happens.............

Do you use the hand pump?  What exactly should I expect to see?  The rotor move?
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #80 on: Feb 24, 2021, 06:16:57 AM »
On the distributor....

As I remember... on 85 22R I had timing advance issue.

I believe I took the disty apart and cleaned and lubed it and it worked fine.

Just a thought from the late 90's!!  :smack:

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Gnarls, do you mean to take apart the distributor itself or are you talking about disassembling the vacuum advance diaphragm. 

I actually called yoda jim and yotayard, but no answer.  I was able to leave a msg for yotayard, but yoda Jim's voice mail system is full.  I will call back later.  I then reached out to LCE only to learn that they will not be getting the vacuum advance back in stock and they don't have any distributors except the DUI which I don't want.  Their old manufacturer went out of business.  So I am guessing if we run a 22R we are all basically screwed. 

I don't see how the most well known and popular 4 cylinder ever produced has such poor parts supply

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #81 on: Feb 24, 2021, 05:06:16 PM »
When you rev up the truck with vacuum advance connected does the timing change? That's how I've always tested vacuum advance units

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #82 on: Feb 24, 2021, 05:14:42 PM »
When you rev up the truck with vacuum advance connected does the timing change? That's how I've always tested vacuum advance units

It’s just me so I can’t check. I could check with a friend this weekend
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #83 on: Feb 24, 2021, 05:55:33 PM »
Gnarls, do you mean to take apart the distributor itself or are you talking about disassembling the vacuum advance diaphragm. 

I actually called yoda jim and yotayard, but no answer.  I was able to leave a msg for yotayard, but yoda Jim's voice mail system is full.  I will call back later.  I then reached out to LCE only to learn that they will not be getting the vacuum advance back in stock and they don't have any distributors except the DUI which I don't want.  Their old manufacturer went out of business.  So I am guessing if we run a 22R we are all basically screwed. 

I don't see how the most well known and popular 4 cylinder ever produced has such poor parts supply



OK... I don't remember exactly what I did.  But I remember checking out the springs on the centrifugal weights because they were a little corroded.  I did not replace the vacuum advance unit.

I think there is way to make that distributor work for ignition timing without having the vacuum advance unit working.  Now, I may be totally full of Bravo Sierra.  But, in my past somewhere I thought there is a mechanical advance option or conversion.  I would have to do research.

Curving a distributor has been done since they were invented.

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #84 on: Feb 24, 2021, 06:57:05 PM »
It’s just me so I can’t check. I could check with a friend this weekend

Video with you phone maybe?
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #85 on: Feb 24, 2021, 06:58:32 PM »
Do you use the hand pump?  What exactly should I expect to see?  The rotor move?

The plate inside with the pickup coil on it should move.
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #86 on: Feb 24, 2021, 07:53:25 PM »
It’s just me so I can’t check. I could check with a friend this weekend

I think you can if you prop something against the throttle pedal to hold the engine revved up.

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #87 on: Feb 24, 2021, 07:54:52 PM »
Also, I found this thread on YotaTech.

This post https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116/22r-vaccum-advance-not-working-what-will-do-108688/#post50587927 suggests the truck should be drivable without vacuum advance. I have no idea if the poster knew anything or not

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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #88 on: Feb 25, 2021, 07:28:36 AM »
I found a vacuum advance and have it on its way from yotayard.  Once I get it on hand I will check it for vacuum, praying and crossing my fingers that it works.  I still plan to do some more testing on my own vacuum advance, but I am pretty sure it is shot.  I tried to find a good vacuum hand pump locally, but all I found was overpriced plastic hand pumps locally so I went ahead and ordered the mityvac MV8500 metal kit with case.   The first of the week I placed my order with 22rePerformance ordering the following: Spark plugs, spark plug wires, spark plug wire stay brackets, Thermostat, air filter, fuel filter, dipstick & guide, Distributor cap & rotor, distributor o-ring, billet valve cover grommet kit, distributor hold down bolt, PCV valve, air filter rubber mount, fuel pump, anti-seize paste, ultra-grey silicone sealant, and Sil-Glyde lubricating compound.   This weekend I plan to do a wet compression test, recheck my timing (idle and revved), do another leak down test, and recheck my valve lash.  My parts are expected to be in the first of next week.  Based on everything I find I think I might end up needing to rebuild my head.   
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Re: ‘82 22R engine white smoke
« Reply #89 on: Feb 25, 2021, 10:17:12 AM »
Also, I found this thread on YotaTech.

This post https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116/22r-vaccum-advance-not-working-what-will-do-108688/#post50587927 suggests the truck should be drivable without vacuum advance. I have no idea if the poster knew anything or not

I had the vacuum advance fail on a 1980, while going over a mountain pass. As I remember it (this was a long time ago), the truck took a real dump. Low on power, exhaust did alot of popping, it was very apparent something was wrong. The truck did make the hour drive back home.
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