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A line-lock can handle the brakes up front, and the parking brake the rear for a Trutrac…..
To each his own.I prefer to be locked up front and rear. There is no way I would do any kind off-roading without lockers. Open diffs is two wheel drive and that will not get you very far on practically any type of off-road terrain other than a flat gravel road.Yes.... I've witnessed open diff Toyota pickups negotiate a nasty obstacle but not without some horrific wang'n and bang'n and multiple attempts.... too dangerous and too risky for costly damage and unnecessary carnage.With open diffs in 4-wheel drive the slightest dip in the terrain where one wheel front wheel and one rear wheel is off the ground, you will just sit and spin tires. NO BUENO!I did trail running with open diffs about 1 time and then immediately had a Detroit Locker and Trutrac installed! I installed lockers in my front and rear in my 85 before doing any trails.
Regarding a hand throttle.... big pain in the arse and can get you in trouble quickly when fiddling with it while attempting to negotiate an obstacle.
Unfortunately I have seen a solenoid fail on the trail at a MCRoundup. The guy had a CO2 tank and it drained his tank and he couldn't operate either diff after that. It does seems like a rare occurrence.
Sounds like a sad day
I see why you believe you can't/shouldn't wheel without one.however, every trail out there is doable without lockers, yes, it takes more time, more work involved, and does increase your risk of damage, but it can also be more fun/rewarding depending on your perspective. In my youth, I was not fazed about how long it took to get through a trail, heck there were trails like Fordyce creek trail, that took us a good 8 hours to go 1.5 miles, and spending 3-4 days wheeling a trail that could be hiked in 1-2 wasn't uncommon for us back then. Depends on how it is set up, ones attached to the shifter are easy enough to manipulate with just a finger, and you can set them up so that you can't advance the throttle past a certain rpm.Would consider this as an "operator" failure, should have had a spare solenoid, and a secondary air source. For about $150, he could have had both. Shouldn't have been, it would have just been a more challenging time on the trail, where he needed to rely on his trail skills, rather than his vehicles capabilities. A sad day on a trail, is when your rig can't move under its own power, worse, is when you are stuck behind those dead rigs being towed through a trail.
Hey e...Can you elaborate on how you manipulate a "line-lock" and "the parking brake" as you concentrate on negotiating a big rock? Gnarls.
The one thing that these auto-locker fans haven't told you is that it's better to have your diffs open when Side-hilling ( driving at an angle to the rise of the hill ). Just my 4 cents.
You aren't really this helpless? https://www.marlincrawler.com/differential/locker/detroit-locker
I live in north-central Montana and we have snowy and icy road conditions for 5-6 months of the year. I run a spool in the rear and an aussie locker up front. Full on lockers work fine in winter road conditions, you just have to learn how to drive with them. It's true that you can get the rear end out as quick as you want, but when you let off the throttle it snaps you back straight just as fast. In this way you almost have more control on the ice than with an open diff. I find them very predictable. You just have to know what to expect.It's certainly true that the spool eats tires. My ideal would be a Detroit locker in the rear and another Detroit or an aussie locker up front. We rana full Detroit in a 4runner and I found it very predictable and even easy on tires as long as you drove it right. I have found the aussie locker to be the smoothest of the "lunchbox lockers".I might maybe consider a Toyota e-locker in the rear since it acts like it's not there when it's off and acts like a spool when it's on. I am still leery of anything you can turn off though. I have been out with lots of guys with the air lockers and have seen them quit locking miles deep into a trail.
I could probably buy a whole different rig in OK shape and get it running for cheaper than the cost of a Toyota Electric Locker Those suckers are expensive hahaha.
I could probably buy a whole different rig in OK shape and get it running for cheaper than the cost of a Toyota Electric Locker Those suckers are expensive hahaha. I am thinking a detroit is probably the way to go considering how reliable everyone says it is. Has anyone had any experience with the Grizzly lockers? Isn't the grizzly almost an exact copy of the detroits? Have read that the grizzly can be a bit weak compared to a detroit.
On e-lockers…..I don’t know the actual or typical reliability of an e-locker installed on the type of 4x4s that I’ve known. Here in AZ, we wheeled in everything. Water crossings were not uncommon. Just looking at that video, and thinking about electricity connected to my differential and crossing a 2 feet deep river, I’d be really concerned about water shorting out something. For me, buying an e-locker out of a boneyard would be even more concerning about the actual reliability. I knew of several guys running ARBs and having failures. I didn’t know anyone running an e-locker. Gnarls.
Friends who have ran e-lockers, have had no issue with deep water crossings, nor muddy or snow conditions.
I think the whole reliability debate is kinda overdone. Elockers and arb's are well proven.
I think the whole reliability debate is kinda overdone. Elockers and arb's are well proven. Yes, they can fail, nothing is perfect. Be prepaired to fix them in a jam. One thing the elocker has going for it in the reliability department is that it can be engaged/disengaged manually if need be. The only elocker I have had hands on experience with is in a stock truck. It hasnt been under two feet of water but I think elockers do ok with water. I dont think you want to engage / disengage them while under water though.
I agree. And even if the locker fails you still have 4WD, so with clever driving and braking a similar result can be achieved. I have run the entire rubicon trail in reverse in my 4runner with 31 inch tires and open differentials front and rear.
May I ask why take the time to do the whole thing in reverse?
It just means starting from the Tahoe side.
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