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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #30 on: Dec 10, 2019, 01:57:53 PM »
So how do you do a recount with a national election?
They would be conducted at the precinct level, just as they are done now, only rather than a bunch of uncounted ballots suddenly appearing like was done in MN when Al Franken was elected Senator, they would be appearing in SF, LA, NY, Detroit, Chicago, etc., with just enough votes to give the Dem the win.

If we were to have a national vote, it should be done, as it should be done now for federal elections, you show up in person, you present a state/fed ID, you vote for just the federal candidates, or just the POTUS, you use a paper ballot, and when done, you dip your finger in blue red ink.  For those who are in retirement/assisted living facilities, the voting takes place there with same process, and for those overseas, the vote would take place at either the embassy or military base. 

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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #31 on: Dec 10, 2019, 02:45:34 PM »
There’s lot of data to show that social media and contact time with Google can and does distort and influence public perspectives – negatively and positively.

However, I don’t believe Google or any other big data monopoly can prove that they can influence that many people and then prove why 78 million people voted for a particular candidate.

Unfortunately, due to society frowning on conducting wide spread social experiments on humans, where we can test both the positive and negative effect of an our theories, nor can we test the negative of the outcome of an experiment with the same test subjects, we can never actually prove a theory in Social Science, even though we claim to do so when it comes to the legal system, or anything else that social science research is used to support.

While we can't prove one way or another Google's or any tech company's ability to shift votes, it doesn't mean we shouldn't be alarmed by the amount of power a tech company has over how their systems work when producing search results or when trying to eliminate speech they believe is harmful.  We know as a business you can pay Google to show up on the first page of search results, so clearly the ability to bury you on page 1000, if they want to also exists.  We see this now with Twitter and Facebook's "ill speech" algorithms, they seem to almost always just exclude moderate and conservative speech and individuals, and never liberal speech regardless of how offensive it is as long as you the person or groups is towing the Socialist line, unlike Telsi Gabbard.  It is kind of scary that between what we have seen going on with social media, and Epstein's research, which I believe his paper in '15 was pee reviewed, Congress has decided to ignore the issue, when the threat of their manipulating an election, far exceeds that of any foreign government, especially when it would be very easy to both monitor and protect against.

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Regarding Robert Epstein’s research – he is a left wing pundit and contributor to the Puffington Hoax.  As a psychologist following the behavioral ideology founded on B.F. Skinner’s perverted and sadistic experiments on animals, Pavlov included, I put him in the same category as other infamous phoney lauded PhDs like Jonathan Gruber with insidious teachings of anti-everything we stand for as Americans.

Now, Dr. Epstein, as a previous Hilary supporter, and voted for her in the 2016 Presidential Election, he denounces his support for the Democratic Party, I might change my mind about him.

Yes, he may be a left wing nut job, but that doesn't invalidate his theory, or his findings,but  in the last year, two conspiracy theories that have been around for decades have kind of been debunked, the "deep state" has been shown to be real, and the release by the Navy of video showing fighters attempting to engage an unknown flying object defying the known laws of gravity, means that not everyone who reports seeing a UFO is just miss identifying planes and birds, or weather phenomena and ghost data in a recording for a flying object.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #32 on: Dec 11, 2019, 09:00:20 AM »
. Only @18% of the Muslim community are in the 'kill the infidel' category,
that is the population of the united states. That is pretty significant
 
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #33 on: Dec 11, 2019, 12:50:43 PM »
that is the population of the united states. That is pretty significant
 

The actual number of the radical populace isn't the point, that the 82% left doing nothing to improver THEIR status is the point. Actually it's a secondary point to that little bit. Primary point was that throughout history the people causing the problems were a minority while the majority generally sat by and watched. As for percentage versus population, the U.S population(known) is about 5% of the worlds population.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #34 on: Dec 11, 2019, 06:17:36 PM »
that is the population of the united states. That is pretty significant
 

quote from sirdeuce….

". Only @18% of the Muslim community are in the 'kill the infidel' category,"

18%?? I don't know where you got that number, but it is wrong.

Read Glenn Beck's book:  IT IS ABOUT ISLAM

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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #35 on: Dec 11, 2019, 06:23:01 PM »
The actual number of the radical populace isn't the point, that the 82% left doing nothing to improver THEIR status is the point. Actually it's a secondary point to that little bit. Primary point was that throughout history the people causing the problems were a minority while the majority generally sat by and watched. As for percentage versus population, the U.S population(known) is about 5% of the worlds population.

Exactly, it is estimated that only about 20% of the colonists engaged in the revolutionary war, about 10% direct fighting/spying/informing, and and 10% through supply chains and funding.  At most it is belief only about 40% supported the idea of becoming independent from British rule, the rest could careless.

Sadly, not much has changed, as about 55% of the adults in the country still don't care enough to even vote.  In reality, America, at any given time, is being governed by the will of less than 25% of the people.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #36 on: Dec 12, 2019, 11:44:14 AM »
Really is
Exactly, it is estimated that only about 20% of the colonists engaged in the revolutionary war, about 10% direct fighting/spying/informing, and and 10% through supply chains and funding.  At most it is belief only about 40% supported the idea of becoming independent from British rule, the rest could careless.

Sadly, not much has changed, as about 55% of the adults in the country still don't care enough to even vote.  In reality, America, at any given time, is being governed by the will of less than 25% of the people.

Really is sad isn't it? Even sadder is of that @25% a good percentage of those are impulse voters that don't examine the issues in depth, vote by their party or even vote based on their religious beliefs. A less educated vote is a less qualified vote. Too bad most people fall into this category. Noone really has the time to read thousands of pages of description and legalese on ALL proposed actions. Most don't even take the time to examine the piggyback initiatives either. Just voting your party, uh, because it's your party, is not a fully qualified reason for a vote. Voting by religious belief is absolutely unqualified! That nullifies "freedom of religion" as it, in effect, forces ones beliefs on others.

As for those that don't vote? There are many that just don't care, probably most of them, but there are some that don't vote as they don't want to be part of a corrupted system. Who wants to vote a proposition that has just as much good as bad? They can't vote down something we need and voting up something damaging isn't an option either. But they like to put these things on the same prop ballot.
Take A.B. 1824(did I remember that right?) was an initiative voted in because nobody really knew it was there. It was a piggyback initiative, buried in some prop that made sense.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #37 on: Dec 12, 2019, 12:56:18 PM »

"California Assembly Bill (A.B.) 1824, which was signed into law by then-Governor Jerry Brown in June of 2018 went into effect on January 1, 2019. The bill has generated significant concern amongst the online enthusiast community. Despite what is being circulated, enactment of A.B. 1824 does not change existing laws pertaining to exhaust noise or sale and installation of aftermarket exhaust systems.

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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #38 on: Dec 12, 2019, 02:59:10 PM »
Take into account that 95db is tested at idle and 2500rpm, no load. Higher than that RPM there are currently no standards. Add a load, db goes up. Higher RPM db goes up. Load and RPM db goes up. 95db is really quite loud. Even so, those loud HDs are pretty much in or at the limit when tested as prescribed. Most of the tickets issued are more for modifications than exhaust noise.

















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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #39 on: Dec 13, 2019, 06:45:30 PM »
Since Boris Johnson in England just won the election our Dems are really worried. For over the past 6 months our Dems said the Labor party with Corbin would win hands down. They have won just about every election since 1930. The Britts want their Democracy back. They have pulled the rings out of their noses and are not going to be led around anymore. Johnson says Feb is the end of the EU. Now our Dems are really worried and They should be. Several people who predict elections predict the dems will loose the president again and the house for at least 5 election cycles. When Trump finishes his second term Pence will run for president and win. We can hope.

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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #40 on: Dec 14, 2019, 03:22:28 AM »
Since Boris Johnson in England just won the election our Dems are really worried. For over the past 6 months our Dems said the Labor party with Corbin would win hands down. They have won just about every election since 1930. The Britts want their Democracy back. They have pulled the rings out of their noses and are not going to be led around anymore. Johnson says Feb is the end of the EU. Now our Dems are really worried and They should be. Several people who predict elections predict the dems will loose the president again and the house for at least 5 election cycles. When Trump finishes his second term Pence will run for president and win. We can hope.

Very interesting.

I like the prediction "When Trump finishes his second term Pence will run for president and win. We can hope."

I also believe Trump's win in the 2020 election will be the biggest landside win in our Presidential election history.

Pence is a perfect choice for the Presidency in 2024.  I believe he will also choose a female running mate for VP and that combination will also be huge landside win for the Republican Party.

"They have pulled the rings out of their noses and are not going to be led around anymore."..... this is a great description of what I hope will be the most significant outcome of exposing the sickening level of corruption in our FBI and government intelligence agencies, and the criminal abuse of power about to be exposed.

The silent majority of US citizens will vote to stop the violent and pathetic actions of the left wing radicals bent on destroying our Constitution and civil liberties with the most evil tyrannical ideology perpetrated on society….Socialism.

The constant drumbeat of fake news and lies promoted by the media, and those in Congress that have radicalized stupidity, is now seen by Americans that it doesn’t work.  My fear is those hateful people will become more violent.  I don’t see them changing their ways or admitting their psychotic ignorance is self-destructive.

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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #41 on: Dec 14, 2019, 08:35:32 AM »
As long as the people cannot stop fighting amongst ourselves, the govt WILL win.  EVERYTHING you see on the squak box is there to divide us.
We outnumber them by yuge amounts.
Until "Americans" can get together like in HK, Americans are weak pathetic sheep.
Carry on.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #42 on: Dec 14, 2019, 10:13:19 AM »
Oh yeah, this'll piss you offf! Pence in office?? Might as well just put the church in charge. Religion and politics should NEVER mix.
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 14, 2019, 12:54:36 PM »
I don't think Pense would mix the 2. So far he has not. And as far as our Constitution about Church and State. The Founders did not put that in there for any other purpose other than to ensure our government had no single religious organization that it would show favoritism too. They were fed up with the Church of England. And they wanted to ensure that any religious organization had absolutely no say in our political policy. The Left today tends to read that the other way in their interpretations. I could care less about a political figures religious affiliation. As long as it does not interfer with the office they hold.

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« Reply #44 on: Dec 14, 2019, 02:11:26 PM »
Several people who predict elections predict the dems will loose the president again and the house for at least 5 election cycles. When Trump finishes his second term Pence will run for president and win. We can hope.

While it is highly unlikely Trump will lose in '20, making Pence the likely nominee in '24, Pence is not what we want.  Pence is the traditional Republican candidate, which was just fine when we were a nation with the common held beliefs of who we were/are, and our role in the world, a common belief that no longer exists.  All a Pence Presidency will do, is allow the traditional Reps like Romney, McCain, Bushes, etc., to re-exert their control over the party, just as they did following Gingrich's revolution in '94, which will only give the Socialists 4yrs to recover, allowing them to once again to determine the rules of game.  The only reason why Trump won, was because he was not a traditional Republican, he did not only believe he wasn't above gutter politics, he gladly jumped into the gutter and thrived, basically doing to the Dems what Tyson did to his opponents during the glory days of his career.  For the first time in 22yrs, the Dems had an opponent that punched back, and just as Tyson's opponents were lost as to what to do after he hit them, the Socialists were with Trump.  Trump's victory in '16, was Tyson jab, stunning the Dems, and they are still trying to gather themselves, a '20 Trump victory, will be akin to Tyson hook or uppercut, putting them on the ropes with a standing 8 count, or on the mat with a 10 count, to keep them on the mat, we need another Trumplike candidate for one to two more terms, as doing so will not only solidify the Rep party as the party of Trump, but clearly establish it as the anti-Socialist party, hopefully giving the traditional blue collar Dems, the time they apparently need to realize that their party no longer represents them, something the midterm election indicates they have as of yet failed to realize.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #45 on: Dec 14, 2019, 02:33:14 PM »
As long as the people cannot stop fighting amongst ourselves, the govt WILL win.  EVERYTHING you see on the squak box is there to divide us.
We outnumber them by yuge amounts.
Until "Americans" can get together like in HK, Americans are weak pathetic sheep.
Carry on.
The masses never tend to have a clue, let alone get involved, like sheep they are happy as long as they have someone else to lead them to pasture and back, the people of HK are no different.  Those upset and protesting in HK, are not the majority, and if not for the U.S. and Trump's economic pressure on China, worsening the internal pressure on the ChiCom government due to their ailing economy, the ChiComs would have squashed the uprising in HK and not given in.  By giving in, the ChiComs are trying to stop the social and economic bleeding long enough to survive Trump, hoping that they will once again get another Obama, who will allow them to do just what they want economically as well as allowing them to once again try to exert their influence over Asia.
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« Reply #46 on: Dec 14, 2019, 06:07:05 PM »
A little dose of "religion" right now would be a good thing.  The systematic destruction of just our basic moral beliefs is an ugly evil that needs to be completely squashed.

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So to improve morals we need religion?? God? Which religion? Which God? More immoral acts have been committed in the name of religion than any other reason. Just like everything else, try to impose your beliefs on those with other beliefs causes friction that worsens the situation you thought your beliefs would improve. Consider the possibility that Sharia law was put into affect here. Those that believe in that believe it's the best route to improved morality. Naw, bringing morals based on personal beliefs to the table just raises more questions and arguments.
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« Reply #47 on: Dec 15, 2019, 07:16:47 PM »
Naw. it's not an erroneous statement. More evil has been done as a result of religious beliefs. Whether it's from a religious faction or against one. It's been a steady occurrence throughout history and continues today. No place on this planet is safe either.

I do and always will believe morality needs to be natural, not outlined in a book, nor taught by some holier than thou 'leader' with their interpretation of a written word. Morality has to come from within, that's all there is to it.
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« Reply #48 on: Dec 16, 2019, 08:14:51 PM »
https://www.greatvaluecolleges.net/20-great-value-colleges-safe-spaces/

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Now that's funny. Those "safe" spaces are not what they seem. If you have any ideas that don't mesh with the people there that space ain't safe for you! Surprised you even brought this up, These people hate people that think like you. They'd put a crown on Hillary and burn Trump at the stake.
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« Reply #50 on: Dec 17, 2019, 08:15:02 AM »
Whew. I thought you were being serious.
You're old enough, what movie did 'there is no sanctuary' come from?
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« Reply #51 on: Dec 17, 2019, 08:54:46 AM »
Whew. I thought you were being serious.
You're old enough, what movie did 'there is no sanctuary' come from?

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« Reply #52 on: Dec 17, 2019, 10:58:52 AM »
Logan's Run was a good one.
As far as our elections go. I think our Devious Democrats will pull out every dirty trick to ensure no second term for Trump. During the cleanup of Hurricane Ike I was transferred by my company to Port Arthur Texas. I covered all way to the Loisianna border and Huston to the West. While working outside of Orange Texas setting up trailers for the people that had severe damaged homes I saw a man Kick his mail box after the mail was delivered. I asked his next door neighbor what was up. He said that he did not like being lied too. So I asked well who lied to him. He said well right before the election cycle a group of young folks representing Obama came around saying that if You Voted For Obama you would get a check for $10,000. Just for voting for him. Then he told me that he didn't believe them and had in fact warned him not vote for Obama. He was miffed because he was lied to and he took the bait.
These same groups funded by Soros crossed the whole country feeding lies. This will happen again.

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« Reply #53 on: Dec 17, 2019, 01:47:52 PM »
Can you recall any truly honest politician? Very rare to find one that actually does good without some sort of personal benefit. I tell people the actual pronunciation of the word politics is misdirection.
Anybody thinks they can sell their vote deserves what they get.

 
These same groups funded by Soros crossed the whole country feeding lies. This will happen again.

And again, and again, and again.........

As for the Dems pulling out every stop? Ain't just the Dems, they all do it. Mudslinging, finger pointing, false promises, wishwashing on issues, glad handing, back room deals, outright lying. They all do it. Anything to manipulate your decision.

I can say that any time anyone says anything against any candidate their followers will argue tooth and nail against them. The whole, my candidate is purer that Christ, attitude. I see it on the jobsite every day.



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« Reply #54 on: Dec 18, 2019, 07:32:52 PM »
Gnarly, nothing shocks me any more.
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« Reply #55 on: Dec 19, 2019, 09:18:11 AM »
The whole 9-11 thing was a minor hiccup in our country's history. There are many incidents to rival it's importance. I won't get into any of that.

Never close your eyes, trust noone, take nothing at face value.

One breath of dihydrogenmonoxide will kill you almost instantly, terrible stuff. No antidote available. Only way to survive is to get it out of your system immediately. It's everywhere!

Yep, most are clueless. Dihydrogenmonoxide caused a big scare and was actually banned in a area of our country. Intelligent government in play!

50% not having a clue? I think the percentage is higher than that. I'd say closer to 80%. I'll admit I don't get it all right, neither do you. Nobody does. But for that 80% we'll have to give it to them that they don't get it all wrong.

What has happened to the brains of our people? Just another phase. Look at all the changes we've been through. Currently we're going through a phase similar to the 'hippie' movement. Seems to be a thing that parallels "police actions", which is actually a better descriptor of what we are doing in the middle east.
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Re: Too Soon?
« Reply #56 on: Dec 19, 2019, 11:56:13 AM »
Hey sirdeuce,

As much as I believe I’ve learned since 9-11 happened, I am still shocked when I read a new book on the subject of American and world politics.  The real shocker to me is how 50% of Americans don’t have a clue what is really happening to our Country!  What has happened to the brains of Millennials? Over 50% believe in Socialism!  Their depth of ignorance is so profound it’s beyond any kind of intellectual reasoning.  :willynilly:

Gnarls.  ???
The reason why so many of the Millennials favor Socialism today, that they are the first generation to be raised by it since they were born, and like any other form of religion, those raised in it since birth are far easier to retain once they become adults.  Sure, X-Gener's and Boomer's were exposed this religion, X-Gen more than the Boomer's, which is why only about 25% of the X-Gen favorite and only about 13% of Boomer's do, they just weren't exposed to it as much.  Socialism, like Christianity prior to Constantine's alleged deathbed conversion, was kept in check directly by government, and the masses having little exposure to it.  McCarthyism, just like Constantine's death, was the flash point, Socialists no longer had to hide in unions and private clubs in colleges, they were now free to spread the word, finding more and more adults susceptible to the new religion, until they had people in position of power, like government, public schools, media, etc.  By the time the Millennials were born, the conditions were perfect for them to become fully indoctrinate from all sides, with the economic downturns in with the dotcom collapse followed by the housing bubble burst, just as they were coming of age, reinforcing what they had been taught about how unfair and corrupt Capitalism and the culture it created is. 

Fortunately for us non-socialists, unlike our Roman pagan counterparts, we had the epitome of Capitalism come along, uniting non-Socialists across party lines, and for now, that unification is enough to counter the pressure of the Socialists, and is why Socialists have become so unhinged, willing to damage/destroy their own movement to retain the power they have acquired over the last 60yrs.
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« Reply #57 on: Dec 19, 2019, 12:03:00 PM »
One saying I have taken to heart came from a man that so many revile, Aleister Crowley.

"I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on wakening; I drank and danced all night with dought and found her a virgin in the morning."

He was referring to religious belief, but it does apply to oh so many situations. I first read on Crowley in elementary school, got in trouble for having his literature. His book of lies and Lieber al vel Legis were confiscated and I didn't get them back.  My teachers were scared by the presence of such philosophies, they are dangerous. That's when I opened my eyes.

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« Reply #58 on: Dec 20, 2019, 10:07:37 AM »
Why do you think he is so reviled?

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He was called 'the most evil man in the world'. His actions and philosophies were unacceptable by the church's guidelines. His sexual antics and drug use were widely known, and quite unacceptable by any moral standards. He would publicly debate the validity of the church and the existence of god, which got him the tag of heretic. Crowley was indeed reviled by the general public which was primarily right path belief, Christian variables.
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« Reply #59 on: Dec 20, 2019, 10:52:06 AM »
They have even used his name in a few movies as the right hand man of the devil.

 
 
 
 
 

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