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Ditto , my old dirt car in early 2000's
I'm at work at the moment but I was able to take a pic that's very very cool looks like I'm probably getting what I can out of it not to many gaines to mess with the timing. That is a very nice job laying it all out there like that. Elevation must play a pretty big role in power. I think for snowmobiles and stuff running centrifugal clutches they say 3% per thousand ft.What's the most you've ever dynoed on a stock calibrated 22RE. This was my very first attempt at any power from a 22RE so I was curious what the potential may be.Thanks again that's very cool
I didn't resurfacing the head and possibly the block did that because the tensioner takes the slack out of the chain on one side not both sides equally so it ends up retarding cam timing
I see a typo in my spread sheet. The Optimized data is at 1 degree advanced.EDIT: I FIXED IT in the sheet and in the jpg link.Gnarls.
I was looking at the revised spread sheet, Im surprised the cam timing from 2.5 retarded to 1 advanced doesn't change the RPM range the peak HP and TQ are made at.So how much HP and TQ do you feel can be made on stock EFI?
So how much HP and TQ do you feel can be made on stock EFI?
The engine came from a buddy of mine. He wanted to build a hot rod 22R, he ordered some parts, put it all together, that wasnt enough, so he ended up turboing it. The performance still wasnt there, Im assuming because to much compression. So he pulled it and put in a 2RZ. 22R sat for awhile. So the time lapse of the whole thing was quite a few years. That being said he does not remember the details of the build, just the basics like the brands of stuff used.No Idea on the pistons. Would a compression test give you a better idea?When I said "stock EFI" I was meaning whats the most power youve seen a 22RE make with a stock ECU?
Sorry G, I can't accept a comparison between an '87 and '91. The '91 handles mods better than the '87. Even in stock trim, no mods, the '91 does better off the git. Show me the difference between the stage 2 and stock engine using the same auxiliary components amd electronics if you want a valid comparison. I know you won't like that, but I know things are different enough in that range of years.I really don't want to sound like an ass here, but if you were to pit stock 22RE 4Runners, '87 against a '91 in a heads-up race the '87 would lose badly. Put that event up a hill and the '91 would walk away. '84-'86 are absolute dogs, '87-'88 not much better. Starting in '89 the tune started getting better and around '91 they finally got it to where a tow wasn't needed to keep up with traffic up a hill. '89 is the point where the ECU had enough of a tune to keep up with heavier mods as well.
I checked 2 cylinders one was 130, other 125. As far as valve lash, .008 .012 as suggested by LCE.Do you have a link to your 22RE builds?
Hey s....22R-E 84 kW (113 hp; 114 PS) at 4,800 rpm 190 N⋅m (140 lb⋅ft) at 3,600 rpm 19851997 EFI, single row timing chain I agree that the comparison is not accurate as a real 1 to 1. Yes, put a new factory stock 22RE on a SuperFlow 902S and compare that to 22REPs Stage 2. Heres the kicker for me
. I have yet to see a real certifed head to head comparison of many advertised engine options for power gain. From camshafts to air filters. In fact, Im somewhat surprised to see that video of a two different dyno tests that imply the power gain between the two engines and vehicles - Jim knows it can be viewed as a little deceptive.Not because of the years difference. The 22RE still had the same advertised engine specs, and the 5-speed trannies were the same, and most likely had the same 8 ring & pinion. Yes, the 1991 did have some changes in the engine and probably in the ECU programming, but the power output was the same as 1987.The reason the two dyno sessions may not be a 1 to 1 comparison is the difference in the vehicle chassis. The loss in the drive train can be calculated differently between the two vehicles.Tire size, differential gearing, lubrication, etc. Also, comparing 22RE with 187K miles on it to a brand new rebuilt is not a valid comparison if you want to see the difference in performance base upon the Stage customization.As far as a 1991 4Runner running away from a 1987, I think would come down to HP to weight ratio.Gnarls.
From '85-the last produced 22RE HP ranged from 105 -122(we never saw that 122 here) with torque from 123-140. That 113/140 '85-'94anoblanket looks suspiciously like a wiki thing. I have a listing I got from a guy in Finland with 100some engines and their specs somewhere in my many boxes, love to send a copy or find a way to scan and post it here. First thing would be to find the list.I can tell you, from the many 22R/RE powered vehicles I've driven, power delivery and output varies greatly. The 22RE Celicas were absolute dogs with no real improvements with upgrades to the engine. 2WD trucks of the same years, even though quite lighter than the Celica, were not any better. Just a simple change in compression would give the electronics fits. From '86 on the tuning kept changing, mostly to keep up with the emissions here. Heads-up racing from gen1 to gen2? That '94 4Runner would be the same, if not heavier weight, than the first gen. Gear selection should be comparable. As for dyno testing. Naw, can't compare one generation from the next, 'specially since auto manufacturers try to give some improvements in the next year. Well, most of the time any way.
I've found that the stock 22R internals can handle up to 7,000RPM for a decent amount of time.
Gonna take a look at a local 20/22r hybrid engine this weekend.....So I’m sharing this in hopes to ring out any further advice, issues, concerns, or anything else of relevance from 44newman or anyone else
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