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So, you're cryo treating the engine now............


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So, you're cryo treating the engine now............


 :think:


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1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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H8PVMNT,

First, I commend you for your incredible persistence and scrounging ingenuity!... and in adverse conditions! :biggthumpup:

If you had not documented your project so well, I might have had trouble believing it.  :suprised:

You are testimony to the power of the human will and perhaps a new level of engine-building-frugal-ness!!  :beerchug:

I’m very anxious to read about your engine break-in and after you do your tweaking.  :gap:

If I get a chance to get to Highwood, MT, I’m going to buy you and family a nice dinner!! :beer:  .....

If you get a chance to make it near Casa Grand, AZ… .breakfast, lunch, or dinner is on ME.  :beerchug:   ......

.....IF.... I get to go for a ride in your hot-rod!!  :driving:

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This is a cheap one I am curious about it myself.  I think I will wait until it's at least in the 30s to fire it. We came home from vacation with temps ranging from -13 to -29.  Really fun after surfing in the 60 degree water in southern CA.

You are welcome anytime!  Just give me a couple weeks notice if you are up this way so we can clear out our schedule.
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Getting ready to fire this engine soon...
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 :popcorn:

Gnarls.  :inthedark:
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:)bestgen4runner [12:45 PM]:   I am so stupid.

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Finally fired it up.  Dropped in Wal-Mart 10W30 with about a half a bottle of that Lucas engine break in stuff.  I cranked for about 40 seconds with the coil wire unhooked to get the fuel and oil up.  Caleb turned the key while I shot the footage.  It has a vac line leaking and an open header here but this is the first fire...

https://youtu.be/hCkWcJIRp4A
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Finally fired it up.  Dropped in Wal-Mart 10W30 with about a half a bottle of that Lucas engine break in stuff.  I cranked for about 40 seconds with the coil wire unhooked to get the fuel and oil up.  Caleb turned the key while I shot the footage.  It has a vac line leaking and an open header here but this is the first fire...

https://youtu.be/hCkWcJIRp4A

HOLY CRAPITY!!   

 :bowdown: H....  That is proof, to me, that your engine building ability is *remarkable!

*I still want to know what caused the failure at 40,000 miles?  :dunno:


It also proves, to me, that a carb'd engine can be fired - first time after rebuild - with simply spark and fuel!!

.... Don't need no stink'n ECU, finicky sensors, O2 sensor, or fuel injectors!  :thumbdown:

I am still fighting my 22RE's sensors and cold starts!  Before I started my rebuild, my gut said "Drop the ECU and sensors, and fuel injection, Gnarls!  My 1985 22R was the best truck I have owned.

I am very curious about following along with your break-in and how your engine performs.

GREAT JOB!!!  :beerchug:

Gnarls.  :gap:

1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~26,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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Carbs are simple. Propane is just as simple. I like efi but not the junk used on 22re. Looks like she is running nice and smooth. Now get your butt out there and get the exhaust and hood on.
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Nice work h8pvmnt.  I do see the attraction to those old caruetors despite me liking efi. I heared you could reference any old Briggs n Stratton manual to work on a 22r?

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Dang nabbit. Didn't log on much yesterday and I missed the first fire. Nice job!

H8PVMNT, a greasy thumbs up back at you! :)
:)bestgen4runner [12:45 PM]:   I am so stupid.

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Aisin carburetor on a 22r is actually quite complicated to be a carburetor. Weber is super simple. Just not so great off road.
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Thanks fellas! It was nice to hear it run. For once I put the distributor on the ight tooth the first time too.

Gnarls I promise we will tear down that other 22r and do as good an autopsy as we can on it.  I am also super curious what went on it.  I've never had one get that kind of blow by in any amount of miles and I've done some shady rebuilds before :).
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I went on and started the engine again, bumping it up to about 1,600 rpms for 20 minutes in an attempt to follow Jim Putney's cam break in procedure. After that I noticed a new oil drip under the bell housing.  The rear main was leaking, which seems to be contagious on this forum among fresh re-builds.  Off went the trans. The unknown source rear main I had in my $15 craigslist gasket set pushed in with little more than thumb pressure and apparently popped out just as easy when the engine got running.  It was in there kind of half spat out at a funny angle.  At least it was clear where the leak was coming from. 

I didn't have another new rear main, so I dug through my box of recent tear downs and found a really nice, blue, pliable, un-worn looking rear main all ready in the cast thing.  This truck always does well on left overs and we love removing and installing heavy drivetrain components so what the heck  :gap:.

The old leftover one doesn't leak by the way.

I am posting a pic of the way to stick a couple fasteners in the flywheel and a pry bar in the frame to remove the flywheel bolts on the rather free-spinning engine.  I am posting this because I took me until this year to realize I could do this and I'm 42 so for all the other dummies out there   :thumbs:...

 
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I have a little over 4,000 miles on this engine so far and it is running great.  Still love the 22re performance 282 cam.  Oh yeah, the used rear main seal started leaking :hammerhead:.  I'll drop the trans again and put a nice one in there.
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I have a little over 4,000 miles on this engine so far and it is running great.  Still love the 22re performance 282 cam.  Oh yeah, the used rear main seal started leaking :hammerhead:.  I'll drop the trans again and put a nice one in there.

Hey H,

I’m very glad to read that your engine in running great.  I am still interested in that cam profile.  I need to do more comparisons with the specs I have on it.   :thumbs:

Have you re-checked your valve lash?  What did Jim spec the valve lash at?  :gap:

On the rear main seal…. That would be another seal that I would NOT compromise on, because I HATE dropping the tranny!!  That seal is very inexpensive.  There are a number of top aftermarket manufacturers who make the part.  I’d probably go with Toyota, Timken, Fel-Pro, Beck Arnley, or Mahle.  I like the Beck Arnley product I’ve purchased lately.  :blah:

It’s nice to read some words from your neck of the woods! :beerchug:

Gnarls. :greengrin:
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Jim says .007-.008 intake and .010-.011 Exhaust.  I will re-adjust at my next oil change.  I figure this is a real break in point for the valve lash.
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Jim says .007-.008 intake and .010-.011 Exhaust.  I will re-adjust at my next oil change.  I figure this is a real break in point for the valve lash.

Can you compare 282 cam with any other cam you have experienced?

My dyno data still has the C261C as producing very impressive numbers?

I would really like to have you swap in a 261C and see what difference, if any, if makes.  Have you ever swapped a cam without removing the head?

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Oh that would be fun.  I have ran a DOA 272 in a 22re and it was pretty good but I find this to be better.  I had a NWOR cam, one that was a low end grind in my first 22re.  It lugged down nice but was ottherwise meh...  Not really apples to apples since this is a carb 20r.

This truck is fast becoming my daily work mule so I don't want to mess with it that much, however a test bed truck would be great fun.  I think it should be a typical 22r truck without sweet gearing so we get a good baseline.  Then pull the same hills and accelerate in the same fashion in the same places to get some real comparison numbers and then describe the seat of the pants feelings.

I have a free '84 long bed coming down the pipeline.


Think we could get some free cams?
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