Topic: 2jz swap possible?

[T-Revv]

I came across a screamin deal on a NA 2jz.  i never really wanted to do a 2jz swap, but it was too good to pass.  So now im thinking about taking my 22re out and swapping in the 2jz.  However i have heard from someone else now that because its a car engine going into a truck the smog ref wont approve.  Ive tried to call the ref, and have left messages for him.  He hasn't returned any of my calls.  Does anyone know if this swap is possible with keeping it street legal here in California?

[epantano]

From the DMV site.

1. The new engine must come from the same kind of vehicle that the engine is going into. So a truck can only get an engine that was available in another truck.

 So a 2JZ swap will not be legal, ever.

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[H8PVMNT]

Move

[T-Revv [OP]]

From the DMV site.

1. The new engine must come from the same kind of vehicle that the engine is going into. So a truck can only get an engine that was available in another truck.

 So a 2JZ swap will not be legal, ever.

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That's how i was reading it too.  That's so ridiculous.  I can see them saying no to going the other way of putting a truck motor in a car, but to put a car motor in a truck you think would in general would be better for emissions.  I hate California.  Cant modify cars at all legally here. so annoying. 

[epantano]

Ca is such a pain in the ass. Just go pay the extra $ for the "special" smog.

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[T-Revv [OP]]

well then does anyone want a 2jz out of a Lexus sc300? needs a head gasket.  The motor is torn down.  its been sitting for a minute so i would suggest honing the cylinders, they got a little surface rust on the inside of the cylinder. but other than that looks like a good motor. i don't want to swap it in and have a trailer queen. Ill give it away just get it out of my buddies garage.

[T-Revv [OP]]

Ca is such a pain in the ass. Just go pay the extra $ for the "special" smog.

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haha thats too much trouble finding someone that will take the cash and then having to do that every couple of years... naw.  Ill swap something i can smog the right way.

Move

but then i couldn't work for marlin if i moved 

[epantano]

What part of CA are you in? I might have some interest

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[T-Revv [OP]]

What part of CA are you in? I might have some interest

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Fresno

[Snowtoy]

From the DMV site.

1. The new engine must come from the same kind of vehicle that the engine is going into. So a truck can only get an engine that was available in another truck.

 So a 2JZ swap will not be legal, ever.

Do you have a link?, the only thing I have found in the CA BAR's Engine Change Guidelines, is this,

Classification

Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.

There are two vehicle classifications in CA, passenger and commercial, passengers vehicles are generally those that weigh under 6000lbs unless you register them commercial as you can do with pick-ups, or when used as delivery vehicles, taxi service, etc,  If this is the difference in classification the BAR references, then you should be able to swap between car and truck under 6000lbs, providing the;
1. engine is the same year or newer,
2."new" engine's smog equipment and exhaust are attached, and
3. If host vehicle is CA spec, donor engine must be CA spec
4. from what I have read it seems that if using an OBDII engine, the ecu and smog equipment components on the engine must match the type of transmission being used in the vehicle, i.e. can't use an auto's ecu/smog equipment with a manual transmission or non electronically controlled auto trans.

The best way to get the correct answer, would be to go into the local "referee" and speak to the ref who would be doing the inspection directly, he will tell you whether or not if the car engine into light duty truck is possible to do, if he says no, go to another ref, or ask to speak to his supervisor to get clarification.

[T-Revv [OP]]

The best way to get the correct answer, would be to go into the local "referee" and speak to the ref who would be doing the inspection directly, he will tell you whether or not if the car engine into light duty truck is possible to do, if he says no, go to another ref, or ask to speak to his supervisor to get clarification.

unfortunately there is no direct line to the ref.  the phone number they give out is a ca call center and they direct it to the ref in your area to call you back "in between his work, in the next 4 days" the guy in my area never calls anyone back and he is the most strict when it comes to swaps from what ive heard

[Snowtoy]

According to Asktheref.org, there are two within your area, one at Frenso CTC, and the other at the Modesto Community College.  You should be able to go to either one and speak to the ref directly, if you don't like what one says, get a second opinion.

[T-Revv [OP]]

Modesto is a good 3 hours away.

[Willard]

As long as the engine is newer and has all of the smog equipment associated with the vehicle it was removed from it can pass CA referee. Like stated above you cannot install a Heavy duty engine inside a light duty vehicle. Before the change was made to '75 cutoff it was a 30 year rule. My dad used to ref his FJ back in the day and has had a SBC in all its time. Here is a ARB link to help
https://www.bar.ca.gov/Industry/Engine_Change_Guidelines.html.
I also thought there was a REF at COS in Visalia. There used to be at least.


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[T-Revv [OP]]

As long as the engine is newer and has all of the smog equipment associated with the vehicle it was removed from it can pass CA referee.

That's what i thought to and i looked at the site before buying the engine.  But another guy here has a 1uzfe from a newer model lexus ls-400 and they wont let it pass ref because its a car motor in a truck.

[Willard]

According to the link I provided it says nothing of the sort. Don't know where he is getting the ref done, but sounds like BS to me.


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[T-Revv [OP]]

ya like i said i bought the motor based on the same premise, looking at that link.  but now im being told cant be done and the ref wont return my calls. just called again. fingers crossed  ill get a return call

[Willard]

I submitted a technical phone call through BAR and they will call me back. I'll post the findings. The person I spoke with over the phone basically said it doesn't matter if it was from a car or not. As the website says newer and meet all requirements of the vehicle the engine was removed from.


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[Snowtoy]

That's what i thought to and i looked at the site before buying the engine.  But another guy here has a 1uzfe from a newer model lexus ls-400 and they wont let it pass ref because its a car motor in a truck.

Aznwolf118, a member here did a 1uzfe swap and smog'd it last year, his build is here
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classic-t4rs/212113-89-sleepy-build-experiment.html.

A google search brought up another in Vacaville
http://www.mightyram50.net/vbulletin/showthread.php/240-CA-C-A-R-B-Engine-change-swap-rules

car motor in a truck

Can't ask if you can put a car motor in a truck, you have to ask about doing an engine change between passenger vehicles, as pick-up trucks aren't "Trucks" as far as the gov. is concerned, they are considered light duty passenger vehicles.

[Willard]

Exactly passenger car and light duty. You say truck and they go bonkers.


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[T-Revv [OP]]

Exactly passenger car and light duty. You say truck and they go bonkers.

I didnt say truck they dont ask year make model of what its going in the ask for the plate number and look it up themselves

[T-Revv [OP]]

but waiting for a call back. we shall see what they say. also don't know if its relevant anymore because im selling the truck i was going to put it in.  Got a 4 runner to build now. 

[Willard]

They asked me for plate and year make and model of both vehicles.


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[OTO Phil]

California is a gigantic catch 22. You have all the land and freedom to go Wheeling, but all sorts of restrictions about trucks.

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[T-Revv [OP]]

Finally got a call back from the ref. Here was his words. First he told me i cant use a manual transmission because that motor never came with a manual trans. I told him yes it i did, it came with a w-58 trans.  He looked it up and told me i was correct, but if I'm going to use a manual trans than i have to get an ECU from a manual car, and then he told me it doesn't matter because  i cant fit that motor in my truck with the cooling fan and fan clutch and that i wouldn't be able to use a electric fans because that motor comes from the factory with a fan clutch and fan, not electric fans.  What any of that has to do with emissions i don't know. What does it matter if i use a manual trans ecu, or block the shift points in a auto ecu, and what cooling fans i use. Why does any of that make a difference for emissions? stupid California.

[Willard]

Now it seems like they are just making up stuff as they please. It does not state anything on ARB website about cooling system. Strictly states emissions and the fans have nothing to do with that.....wow just wow.....
I'm still waiting for there call back and I am going to make some stuff very clear. Some of those refs are just book smart and not very vehicle knowledgeable. Most smog techs are that way as well. I worked with tons of smog techs that knew next to nothing about repairs and such. All they knew how to do was plug in the machine and the sniffer.


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[T-Revv [OP]]

Now it seems like they are just making up stuff as they please. It does not state anything on ARB website about cooling system. Strictly states emissions and the fans have nothing to do with that.....wow just wow.....
I'm still waiting for there call back and I am going to make some stuff very clear. Some of those refs are just book smart and not very vehicle knowledgeable. Most smog techs are that way as well. I worked with tons of smog techs that knew next to nothing about repairs and such. All they knew how to do was plug in the machine and the sniffer.


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Hopefully you're not in the Fresno area Willard. that guy just is impossible to deal with.

[Snowtoy]

Finally got a call back from the ref. Here was his words. First he told me i cant use a manual transmission because that motor never came with a manual trans. I told him yes it i did, it came with a w-58 trans.  He looked it up and told me i was correct, but if I'm going to use a manual trans than i have to get an ECU from a manual car, and then he told me it doesn't matter because  i cant fit that motor in my truck with the cooling fan and fan clutch and that i wouldn't be able to use a electric fans because that motor comes from the factory with a fan clutch and fan, not electric fans.  What any of that has to do with emissions i don't know. What does it matter if i use a manual trans ecu, or block the shift points in a auto ecu, and what cooling fans i use. Why does any of that make a difference for emissions? stupid California.

From what I understand the electronically controlled automatic transmission equipped vehicles have lower emissions than their manual counterparts, therefore using that type of engine/ecu in w/a manual trans raises the engine's emissions which violates the swap regulations.  All you would have to do to use that engine is find its manual trans ecu, ebay has them for $2-300.

The fan and cooling sounds like the Ref is just making stuff up, he has no idea what the swap would end up looking like, for all he knows you may be planning on extending the engine bay, cut the firewall, relocate the rad to the bed, etc, to fit the engine.