Topic: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild

[79coyotefrg]

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If i could do it again, i also would have had Tod go to .060 instead of .020 for a bit more cc..

Only other thing i wish i had gotten was LCE's oil scraper..

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thought about using or making one myself

[79coyotefrg]

Gnarly4x, just took my truck for a spin with the 261C cam and it rocks! I was able to get up to 70 MPH in less than 2 miles while keeping my shifts under 4k. It has more pull over the stock cam. The true test will be after the 500 mile break in and I can go over 4k.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VX1AFhpOck

 

0-60 in about 10-11 seconds

[79coyotefrg]

I did some very quick research...

The LCE fan kit specs the fan at 1585 CFM.

If the PT Cruiser is a good choice, the last year production was 2005. If I find 2005 in a boneyard, the fan will be 11 to 12 years old.  Is that a good idea?  Or should I look for a 1600 CFM fan that is from a newer vehicle?

Is this the kind of controller I will need?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/10560/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710639487&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15769068431&CATCI=aud-60736883591:pla-171299431271&catargetid=230006180003464298&cadevice=c&gclid=CObmn9Gcx84CFQaQaQodiNkLYg


Thanks,

Gnarls.

go to an auto parts store and get a replacement ptcruiser fan   

[79coyotefrg]

Thank you guys for your input.

Well, I'm going to use some liquid steel and see if I can fill in the groove and sand it down smooth.

I don't have the budget right now to replace the input shaft.  The tranny has to come apart to replace the input shaft.  A complete rebuild would be about $800. 

Fortunately, the tip of the shaft that inserts inside the pilot bearing doesn't get much force and the pilot bearing doesn't spin that much... only when the clutch is disengaged from the pressure plate.

Gnarls.

I have always only used the clutch to get in gear.  when at a light i take it out of gear unless its a fast light
using the same Marlin 1200 clutch since 2002

[emsvitil]

Shouldn't spin at all.....

It's in the bearing inner race.

That was caused by a bad pilot bearing  (it was spinning in the inner race)


It will have a small amount of in/out movement,  which is why I like the brass tubing idea.

[79coyotefrg]

Shouldn't spin at all.....

It's in the bearing inner race.

That was caused by a bad pilot bearing  (it was spinning in the inner race)


It will have a small amount of in/out movement,  which is why I like the brass tubing idea.

true, the BEARING should be spinning. not the tip.  what transmission do you have gnarly??

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

... what transmission do you have gnarly??

W56B 5-speed

Gnarls.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

... It will have a small amount of in/out movement,  which is why I like the brass tubing idea.

Judging from the shape of worn groove on the tip of the input shaft, it does look like there is movement of the shaft in the inner pilot bearing race.  That is why it's very important to check the new pilot bearing before installing it into the crankshaft to make sure is slides easily onto the tip of the pilot bearing.

I would like to know how far the pilot bearing can be pressed into the end of the crankshaft.  When I replaced the last pilot bearing in my '85 I pressed it flush with the end of the crank.

Gnarls.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

go to an auto parts store and get a replacement ptcruiser fan   

LOL!!!!! YES..... good idea!!  I didn't even think about them being available from the parts store!! 

Gnarls.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Question: Header

I did some search on headers and some threads and went back quite a few years.

I don't want to beat up the topic, but I am about to buy a new header for this rebuild project.
I'm on the fence and been back and forth about my choice.

I would really like to try the LCE 4-in-1 header.
BUT... it seems the general concensus is the DT Tri-Y is better for low to mid-range power and has better exhaust scavanging.

My 22R and my last 22RE both had DT headers.

I've read very nice reviews for the LCE header on a 22R and 22RE engine.  I've also read nice reviews on the DT performance, but some issues with quality.

I'm interested in feedback on experiences, exhaust pipe size, and cats & mufflers - with either header and especially on the 22RE engine.

With this rebuild I'm looking for torque between 2800 and 3400 RPM, where I'll be mostly at freeway speeds.

Thank you.

Gnarls.

[OTO Phil]

I've got the DT Tri Y and love it. Tod told me that 4:1 headers are more for people hitting the rev limiter, and with that, Tod's 271 cam.



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[OTO Phil]

LOL!!!!! YES..... good idea!!  I didn't even think about them being available from the parts store!! 

Gnarls.

I'd you're gonna buy a new one from a parts store, just get a universal Murray fan. That stock replacement fan is gonna be kinda spendy depending on the store..

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[emsvitil]

Look at the collectors....

Last time I looked, the CA legal LCE collector looked like it flowed like crap....

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Look at the collectors....

Last time I looked, the CA legal LCE collector looked like it flowed like crap....

My gut says stay with the DT header for this engine, but I'm curious about the LCE header.

Gnarls.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

It's interesting to me, and also somewhat disappointing, that ALL these years I've never seen a certified dyno test on DT tri-y vs. LCE 4-in-1 headers, which are arguably the 2 most popular choices for the 22R and 22RE engine modifications.   

Perhaps there's one out there, I just have NOT found it in any of my searches. 

Gnarls.

[OVRAROK]

gnarls, I noticed on lc engineering's site they claim to have the best engineered header for 22r/re. maybe an email or call to them, to see if they have any proof to back up there claim

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

gnarls, I noticed on lc engineering's site they claim to have the best engineered header for 22r/re. maybe an email or call to them, to see if they have any proof to back up there claim

Yeah... I've talked to those guys a number of times, and recently about their header. I think I would have better odds winning the Powerball than getting them to show me their dyno tests on their header!..... Even if I signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement!

BUT.... I could ask them.

Here's the thing.... if a product is touted as better or best, it makes sense to me that if their dyno tests would prove that, say tested against Doug Thorley Tri-Y, then why not publish it??

It's the same with K&N air filters, they make claims, but I have never seen any certified testing or comparisons??

I've spent a better part of 35 years in Business Development, Sales, Marketing, and Advertising, in a variety of industries, so I think I understand how it works.

Gnarls.

[Prismo]

I have had a Northwest Offroad header for almost 20 years, it has been a good product for me but I have no idea if it has ever been tested for performance.
http://www.northwestoffroad.com/parts/20-22header.php
I have the 261 cam, hi flow cat, turbo muffler & 2.5" pipe.

[emsvitil]

Well,   I looked at LCE's header pictures again.

They may have fixed the crappy legal collector.

When they first changed to the 2 bolt flange,   the legal collectors looked like crap.


Would really like a merge collector there.........
 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Well,   I looked at LCE's header pictures again.

They may have fixed the crappy legal collector.

When they first changed to the 2 bolt flange,   the legal collectors looked like crap.


Would really like a merge collector there.........
 

2 bolt collector flange!!!! YUUUUKKKKK!! NO BUENO!!

Gnarls.

[79coyotefrg]

2 bolt collector flange!!!! YUUUUKKKKK!! NO BUENO!!

Gnarls.

I have one on my bench and it comes with a short piece to weld your 2 1/4 pipe to, the inside diameter of the collector is 2.125.    I personally feel that any exhaust under a truck thats going to be on the trail needs a swivel behind the header collector.  I loved my old long tube LC but it was in bad shape.  you could almost poke a finger through the side it was so thin from rust

[emsvitil]

Which LCE header is that?

1 1/2 or 1 5/8  ?

[kneedownnate]

Look at the collectors....

Last time I looked, the CA legal LCE collector looked like it flowed like crap....

I thought the same and was in the process of texting back and forth with a tech guy from lce to ask why the collector was very small on my lce header I got from a board member.  He couldn't provide and answer and just kept asking what setup I was going to run and why and was dodging the answer.  I then texted my brother, who builds headers and exhaust for the toyota mr2, and he quite simply said each exhaust pulse goes through the collector at a different time, so size didn't matter as long as it wasn't smaller than the tubing diameter of each cylinders' pipe.  Texted the lce guy back and said nevermind, my brother explained it was due to this reason and the lce guy agreed and tried to make it sound like he said it.

[79coyotefrg]

Which LCE header is that?

1 1/2 or 1 5/8  ?

1 1/2

[79coyotefrg]

HEY i just found my WD40 spray bottle 

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

I have had a Northwest Offroad header for almost 20 years, it has been a good product for me but I have no idea if it has ever been tested for performance.
http://www.northwestoffroad.com/parts/20-22header.php
I have the 261 cam, hi flow cat, turbo muffler & 2.5" pipe.

Hey Pismo,

Can you share your engine specs/mods?  What cat & muffler?  Why did you go to 2.5" exhaust pipe?  What pipe diameter is the collector at the flange, and what pipe diameter did you go from the collector?  Is your piping mandrel or crimp bent?

Thanks,

Gnarls.

I have had a Northwest Offroad header for almost 20 years, it has been a good product for me but I have no idea if it has ever been tested for performance.
http://www.northwestoffroad.com/parts/20-22header.php
I have the 261 cam, hi flow cat, turbo muffler & 2.5" pipe.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

HEY i just found my WD40 spray bottle 

Spray a little on your v-belts and see if they squeak. 

Gnarls.

[benjyman]

Spray a little on your v-belts and see if they squeak. 

Gnarls.

Ha ha

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[H8PVMNT]

I had a 4 - 1 downey header years ago and I have also had the NWOR Yri-y.  My 20r has an unknown brand Tri-Y.

I ran the 4 - 1 on a stock 22re and then smashed it on a stump, when I replaced it with the NWOR Tr-Y.  I thought the 4 - 1 gave me a more noticeable seat of the pants pick up.  It also made a kind of penny-dropper sound which was cool.  The NWOR header was vastly superior in construction however.  It has outlasted three engines and I still have it in my shed.

I am running the stock manifold on my 22r, port-matched with the older style double down pipe, which makes it very similar to the runner lengths or my NWOR Tri-Y.  I think it's equal to the Tri-Y in performance.  That engine is carb though so not apples to apples.

[Gnarly4X [OP]]

Is anyone running their 20R, 22R, or 22RE at a higher compression ratio than stock? Why or why not?  On a compression test, what lbs. of compression do you get? What octane rating are you burning?

Gnarls.