Mine are all the way forward, touching my body mount, I wanted them as far forward as possible. On an ifs frame your uptravel will be limited by the frame, before ur shackle is goin to hit the body. So , I wanted them at a steep angle, to allow alot of droop. I did have to push my steering box all the way against front body mount, and will ne a 3/4 less drop pitman arm, or a flat one, if I dont wanna run bump stops. But it sits real low, and flexes perfect, and there is NO crossing of the tie rod or drag link. Look in my build thread, I have good pics of where I put my tubes.