Author Topic: Lower First Gear? (Read 4691 times)

1Bad4Runner · « **on:** Jun 01, 2005, 07:04:35 AM »

I was wondering if any company made a lower first gear for the toyota 5 speed, I have an 88 Runner and I Would like to get it lower, I don't want to put a different tranny in it, unless I find a NV4500.

brainlessfool · « **Reply #1 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 09:20:46 AM »

Do you have a V-6? if so you could have Marlin put the trubo frist gear in it.

I think it 3.83 vs 4.21

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #2 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 04:53:56 PM »

Is that as low as you can get with the Toy tranny? I do have the V6.
Also can I buy that first gear, I do not live around there so that option is no good.

brainlessfool · « **Reply #3 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:19:37 PM »

you'd have to get mikey or Marlin to find out if there's anything lower.

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #4 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:31:13 PM »

4.21 might be low enough, is there any way I can buy this gear from somewhere?

brainlessfool · « **Reply #5 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:33:39 PM »

your local frinedly toy dealer, it's for a 86-87 F151r turbo trans. or I think Marlin maybe can get ya one!

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #6 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:40:35 PM »

Marlin also has a 1st gear out of a Hino truck that is 5.15:1 that goes into r series trannies.

MiniSimp · « **Reply #7 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:45:59 PM »

What about for a W56?

Ferg · « **Reply #8 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:48:22 PM »

an NV4500 weighs in at about 200#, 1st gear is 5.61. An R151/150 weighs in at about 100#, 1st gear from Marlin is 5.15.

While a NV4500 is good for a butt load of torque, do you really need it in a 4runner? The R series trans are good for about 300 horse power, half the weight, and the overall cost is about 25% less. Besides, it would be all Toyota!

Ferg · « **Reply #9 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:50:26 PM »

W56 the best you're gonnna get is 3.98 1st gear(22RE) Most W56 are 3.94

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #10 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 05:52:58 PM »

Ive been toying with putting a sm420 in my truck. 7.06:1 ist gear.... Light strong and 404:1 1st gear crawl....

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #11 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 06:11:49 PM »

I was thinking a sm465... I know where there is one, but then I would loose my highway driveability(is that a word?) since they are only a 4 speed with bull low. I wa thinking maybe having bull low in a Toy tranny. I'm not sure if that is possible though.

WHITE_TRASH · « **Reply #12 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 06:20:34 PM »

I dont use 5th gear anyway so I wouldnt be losing anything. I just run too bog of tires for me gearing.

MiniSimp · « **Reply #13 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 06:44:07 PM »

Quote from: WHITE_TRASH on Jun 01, 2005, 06:20:34 PM

I dont use 5th gear anyway

I've got a 5 speed and haven't even touched 5th yet. Boggers and wind limit that.

Duffil · « **Reply #14 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 07:13:20 PM »

Quote from: brainlessfool on Jun 01, 2005, 09:20:46 AM

Do you have a V-6? if so you could have Marlin put the trubo frist gear in it.

I think it 3.83 vs 4.21

r151 is actually 4.31...not a big diff, though...just go 4.88s and 31s...I love my 5th gear!!

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #15 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 07:49:38 PM »

I'm gonna be running 5.29's and 36's... I have a 3.0 and I think I might be able to use 5th gear. 4.31 must make a bit of a difference...

it makes a 4.58 difference in your crawl ratio with 5.29's and a stock t-case.

Duffil · « **Reply #16 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 07:52:48 PM »

a buddy of mine has 5.29s and 35s on his 85 and he likes 5th also. Why do you want a lower 1st? Crawl ratio? let us know what you're lookin' to do and we can prolly help!

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #17 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 08:05:21 PM »

I want to go low with my toyota, I want a low crawl ratio... I am thinking of maybe a dual t-case with a Dana 300 adapted at the back for twin stick if I can make the adapters.

Duffil · « **Reply #18 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 08:06:21 PM »

why not just dual yota and twinstick it?

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #19 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 08:51:22 PM »

because then I have to buy a special t-case from Marlin... I mean to run the front and back separate.

kyle_22r · « **Reply #20 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 09:54:10 PM »

Quote from: ILikeToToyota on Jun 01, 2005, 06:11:49 PM

I was thinking a sm465... I know where there is one, but then I would loose my highway driveability(is that a word?) since they are only a 4 speed with bull low. I wa thinking maybe having bull low in a Toy tranny. I'm not sure if that is possible though.

the only reason you lose driveability with an SM420/SM465 is because of the huge gaps between gears(mainly 3rd and 4th). it's frustrating even on my chevy work truck -- 3rd gear is too low and 4th is too high for a lot of things, but the 383 under the hood ususually makes up for that

i toyed with putting a close ratio T19 into my pickup a while back. they have something like a 4.xx first gear so it'd play nicely with 4.56s and 33s or 4.88s and 35s on a toyota, plus first gear is synchronized and the tranny is nearly bulletproof.

mr4x42u · « **Reply #21 on:** Jun 01, 2005, 10:41:49 PM »

just get a turbo trans,,why bother moding a w or g series..It will be cheaper and stronger just to go toy turbo trans..
the r151f is strong as hell..

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #22 on:** Jun 02, 2005, 05:31:37 AM »

yea, but what are they in... find parts here in canada isn't cheap.

mr4x42u · « **Reply #23 on:** Jun 02, 2005, 05:56:32 AM »

turbo toy trucks... you can find them from 400 bucks and up..

1Bad4Runner · « **Reply #24 on:** Jun 02, 2005, 06:11:37 AM »

If you can find one... are they a common truck, It is hard as hell to find Toyota parts around here... I can't even find a tailgate for my runner, I found one and the whole bottom was rusted out it, they wanted $150.

Marlin must has some gears sitting around the shop. I was just looking on his transmission rebuild page that he puts just over a 5 first gear from some kind of imported gear... anyone know what they are?

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