Topic: HELP! Did the Skys widening kit and now my hubs arent working/fitting... 11/03

[Thomas P]

Heres the deal fellas, I bought an 85 axle that was pretty built, I only wanted the Skys widening kit and the bigger brakes. So I started my rebuild without doing any research, like a typical male. I found that my dust shields for my brakes were no longer going to work, also the little shield/gasket deal that fits on top also had to go. Then I couldnt fit my hub dial on the hub body after it was attached to the axle. I noticed the bolt and washer that screws into the birfield wasnt allowing for it, so I removed it not knowing what it does and continued. SOMEONE (Cody) Had taken the hub apart, and I fiddled around with the springs until I got it to (I think) match the other side. I then put the hub on, and it tried to turn it but it wouldnt fully turn.

So heres what I need to know.
1. Did I mess up by taking the brake dust shield off and the little gasket/shield thingy?
2. Do I need the washer and bold that screws onto my birfield? What the hell does it do anyhow?
3. Could there be something wrong with my hub? These are new to me aisin hubs.

[jimbo74]

you cut the shield to fit.... or buy a backing plate eliminator kit from someone. you need its thickness in the mix

[Thomas P [OP]]

Ok one down, thanks jimbo. The axle that already had the stuff on it didnt have either, but who knows if it was working for them or not......

[Dingman.]

2)  does the washer sit snug with the hub? 

does it look something like this??  This is with ifs though>

[OOPS]

Did you put the "C" clips on the stub shaft inside the locking hub?

Sounds to me like you did not put the hub back together right.

Here is the FSM link on rebuilding the frontend.

http://www.lukemiller.org/toys/1985_toyota_4wd_front_axle_FSM.pdf

[boggerunner]

im running a widening kit on my front, and no problems, sounds like your hub isnt together right.
and there should not be a 12mm bolt on the shaft, thats for ifs, there should be a c-clip

[Homefries]

What this spacer does is allow you to run IFS wheel hubs on a straight axle front end. IFS wheel hubs wheel flanges are offset further to allow the front ends of these trucks to match up to the rear, which is 58 inch's wide. A pair of SORD CNC machined spacers is needed to adapt either your current solid axle rotors and calipers, or the upgraded IFS V6 calipers and FJ-60 series vented rotors. SORD supplies all needed hardware to bolt this spacer to the rotor, dowel pins are no longer used as the adapter has been threaded to use factory solid axle alignment bolt. Note: some early year axles do not have this bolt, you will need to find donor hardware, 8mmx1.25x25. This can be done in your garage, no special equipment needed. Average install time with correct tools and parts is 2.5 hours.

You will also need to supply the following in order to make the widening kit work:

2 IFS Toyota wheel hubs
2 Toyota vented fj-60 Rotors(reference year 1984).
IFS Calipers, late model V6 Four Runner is the largest.
You may also use your factory solid axle caliper and rotor if brake upgrades are not wanted.   

[Homefries]

To install the widening kit you must first strip the Toyota ifs wheel hubs to just the hub, remove the rear seal, inspect wheel bearings, replace if needed. You may then install new seal provided.
Next step is to install the brake rotor spacer. Due to slight variances in Toyota wheel hubs this may require machining the ifs hub slightly to flush fit the spacer on the back side of the IFS wheel hub. You will reuse the stock IFS rotor bolts to secure the rotor spacer to the wheel hub, I recommend blue loc tite using factory torque specs.
Next you will install the brake rotor of choice, either stock or FJ-60. There are 2 bolt holes in the adapter plate, these will reuse the bolts that hold the solid axle rotor in place on the solid axle wheel hub. I generally bolt the rotor to the spacer and check run out then align if needed.
Tighten all bolts, and use blue loctite. Torque to 60-70 ft pounds.
You may now tear into the solid axle front end and remove all parts up to the spindle. Now is a good time to service the knuckle bearings and seals if needed which we can also provide. Installation is simple, as you install the IFS hub with rotors and adapter same as you removed the solid axle parts. Be sure the rotor is towards the center of the axle and the wheel lug studs to the outside of the axle. Install bearing retaining nuts per factory manual instructions. You will reuse the factory Toyota solid axle locking hubs.
You may now reinstall the brake calipers, with factory hardware. If you have changed your calipers make sure you follow proper brake bleeding procedures.

[Thomas P [OP]]

Yeah thats the bolt I was meaning, is it  necessary? Ive heard it isnt important.

2)  does the washer sit snug with the hub? 

does it look something like this??  This is with ifs though>

[Thomas P [OP]]

Thanks for the info homefries!

Anyone know about the bolt and washer?

[Homefries]

Anyone know about the bolt and washer?
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You do not need this just re-use the C-clip on the axle

[Thomas P [OP]]

i know 3 people including myself that have that bolt and washer on our solid axles, my longfields had the hole at the end, similar to the one in the pic there is no place for a c-clip at the END of a birfield, it looks just like the pic of this IFS truck

2)  does the washer sit snug with the hub? 

does it look something like this??  This is with ifs though>

[Homefries]

Hmmmm, weird cause my axles have the c-clip and just a small indent on the end of the axle shaft no threads for a bolt.  I guess that if your axles have had the bolt and washer then just reinstall it. 

[Homefries]

I just found out that the bolt w/ washer is used primarily with the automatic locking type wheel hubs.  Just an FYI, it was buggin' me.

[cruzila]

You NEED something to hold the birf in place. DO NOT put it together without.

[Thomas P [OP]]

cruzila, how does it hold it in place? so that it wont slide in further? i dont have the room for it should i get a skinnier washer?

[THK Matt]

did you not have spacers in front? i thought you did.... I am just wondering if this the same thing pretty much..

[TheCookieMonster]

You NEED something to hold the birf in place. DO NOT put it together without.

i dont have a c clip or bolt holding my axle at all... it had a c - clip when i took it apart but i never put it back in.  ive never had a problem at all 

[Thomas P [OP]]

there are c clips between the birf and inner shafts, but im talking about the washer at the hub side that screws into the end of the birf

[TheCookieMonster]

there are c clips between the birf and inner shafts, but im talking about the washer at the hub side that screws into the end of the birf

ya i got the clips holding the birf to the axle...i just dont have them at the ends where it holds the axle inside the hub

[Dingman.]

It sounds like the general consensus is most people don't have this so i am unsure why you do.

you might want a smaller washer to make it fit.  idk  Ive tried looking at manuals to find that but i haven't located one yet. 

[Homefries]

It sounds like the general consensus is most people don't have this so i am unsure why you do.

you might want a smaller washer to make it fit.  idk  Ive tried looking at manuals to find that but i haven't located one yet. 

It's in the FSM under automatic locking hubs.