Topic: Quick Question about hubs

[yota_krawler]

Are IFS hubs and SFA hubs interchangeable? I have a set of superwinch on my truck now and want to change them (one leaks) I got ifs hubs so just wondering if I can change them out Thanks Cody

[jimbo74]

no

[Gittinit]

 I'm pretty shure longfield makes a hub gear so you can use ifs hubs on a straight axle.

[BigMike]

I'm pretty shure longfield makes a hub gear so you can use ifs hubs on a straight axle.

What?! Are you serious?? I need to look into this!! I have a set of auto lock hubs and I need to make a new inner hub gear to fit them.

But, then I discovered that in 1985 they DID make Autolocking hubs FOR a live axle! But its very hard to find them?

[Hottrod81]

Sky manufacturing makes a widening kit for SA that uses IFS hubs.

[Gittinit]

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What?! Are you serious?? I need to look into this!! I have a set of auto lock hubs and I need to make a new inner hub gear to fit them.

But, then I discovered that in 1985 they DID make Autolocking hubs FOR a live axle! But its very hard to find them?

Auto lock hubs??? Why? I feel secure in knowing that my hubs are locked or unlocked when I want them to be. I read about bobby making gears to use ifs hubs on a solid axle somewhere. If this is true and catches on the price of solid axle hubs will plumit.

Sky manufacturing makes a widening kit for SA that uses IFS hubs.

You are refering to wheel hubs hotrod, I was refering to lockout hubs.

[twistedtoy92]

yes, but i believe that the ifs lockouts are not quite as deep i guess is the way to put it.... there would be issues with the snap ring crud.... i looked into it and i dont believe they would work!!!

[lifted90toyotapickup]

u need the kit to use ifs hubs on a solid axle. also on the autolocking hubs, they kick out about every 3 feet of using reverse so that wouldnt be too great on a trail when u need to back up.

[twistedtoy92]

yeah, but for the money you would spend on the kit from sky offroad to use the ifs hubs, you could go out and buy two sets of SA Aisin hubs and have a spare set.... and for at least $100 cheaper than the kit!!! just my opinion!!!

[yota_krawler [OP]]

I don't want auto locking, I have a set of superwinch hubs on my solid axle and one leaks and I have heard that they are weak. I got a set of aisin manual locking hubs off of a 87 pick up and was wondering if I could swap them out or if I had to do like a spacer or something. I have heard that ifs hubs, rotors, and calipers with a spacer makes the front solid axle as wide as a ifs rear axle so I got all that stuff but I was just thinking that the hubs would change in and out. My hub on the drivers side leaks out of the dial and spays gease all over my rim, I just got new rims and I didn't want that to happen to them,

[twistedtoy92]

yes, you heard right about the kit with the spacer stuff, but it is over $200 for that kit.... if you spend $85 on wheel spacers and $85 on SA manual locking Aisin hubs, then its the same damn thing basically.... check out skymanufacturing.com and look at that kit.... i thought about it... oh yeah, and you have to get chromoly hub gears from bobby long...$130 because ifs hub gears are only 26 splined.... SA are 30 so.... if i were you, check it out, compare the pros and cons and what it would cost YOU to do it both ways and go with the less $$$$$$$$$....  hope that helps!! check out toyotasuperaxles.com as well, thats bobby's site!

[jimbo74]

OK this sounds like its gotten off topic, i will attempt to get it back on topic....

you cannot swap your lockouts from the IFS truck to the SA truck. they are not compatible

there is mention of ifs hubs with the SA -- this is not quite right. what is referenced here is using the ifs wheel flange with a $$ spacer that will widen a solid axle. it has nothing to do with the lockout part, that is not interchangeable

[fullthrottle]

I don't want auto locking, I have a set of superwinch hubs on my solid axle and one leaks and I have heard that they are weak. I got a set of aisin manual locking hubs off of a 87 pick up and was wondering if I could swap them out or if I had to do like a spacer or something. I have heard that ifs hubs, rotors, and calipers with a spacer makes the front solid axle as wide as a ifs rear axle so I got all that stuff but I was just thinking that the hubs would change in and out. My hub on the drivers side leaks out of the dial and spays gease all over my rim, I just got new rims and I didn't want that to happen to them,

ya kinda, the SA lockouts are 30 spline and the IFS lockouts are 27 spline.  you can buy new inner lockout gears from bobby longfield at (http://www.toyotasuperaxles.com/) if you buy them tell him that you are going to be using IFS lockout hubs

yes, but i believe that the ifs lockouts are not quite as deep i guess is the way to put it.... there would be issues with the snap ring crud.... i looked into it and i dont believe they would work!!!

longfield now makes two different inner hub gears one for the SA lockouts and one for IFS lockouts.
this is because the race that holds the inner hub gear is positioned closer to the outside of the hub on the IFS  lockouts and prevents you from putting the snap ring on the end of the axle if you put a SA inner hub gear in a IFS lockout. ( yes you can put a SA inner hub gear in IFS hubs)

[Gittinit]

ya kinda, the SA lockouts are 30 spline and the IFS lockouts are 27 spline.  you can buy new inner lockout gears from bobby longfield at (http://www.toyotasuperaxles.com/) if you buy them tell him that you are going to be using IFS lockout hubs
longfield now makes two different inner hub gears one for the SA lockouts and one for IFS lockouts.
this is because the race that holds the inner hub gear is positioned closer to the outside of the hub on the IFS  lockouts and prevents you from putting the snap ring on the end of the axle if you put a SA inner hub gear in a IFS lockout. ( yes you can put a SA inner hub gear in IFS hubs)

Thanks that cleared it all up and this is what I was trying to say , but I didn't have the proof to back it up. Bobby long dosen't keep his site detailed with all the different options and stuff he offers.
So those of you who dropped $$$ for solid axle hubs then bought bobbys hubgears should have just saved some money and bought bobbys IFS 30 spline hubgears. When someone trys to sell those straight axle hubs for 200$ just laugh and buy from Bobby!

[yota_krawler [OP]]

ok then does anyone one want to buy IFS hubs, rotors, and calipers with lug nuts?

[BigMike]

This turned into a pretty good thread.

I understand that auto-locking hubs unlock while reversing and then reengage with continued reversing, but I still want to try them out for myself.

There are just so many times, as a daily driver, where I see a huge log laying on the ground in a parking lot or a small rock pile like at my friend's house, that I just would just love to throw it into 4WD, play around for 2mins, and then get back on the freeway, etc, so yes, a hint of mall-crawling turns me onto the autolocking hub notion.

There is one thing that I like to do when wheeling, and that is at the beginning of every trail, I try to go in as far as I can in 2WD. This does not mean that I am dumping the clutch and needlessly doing rooster tails to remain in 2WD, hardly what I do considering my low range is 510:1, but it's just something I do to challenge myself and I get it from Marlin who has been doing it for years. So at least with the autolock hubs, if I don't want them to be locked in, at least I can still simply disengage 4WD, which would yield a pretty close match to having unlocked hubs.

Regarding converting IFS Auto lock hubs to work on a solid axle, this I no longer care about because of the fact that Toyota did offer Auto lock hubs for a solid axle. The only trouble is that I have only seen on set of these in my life, and they must be hard to find in wrecking yards, or at least most yards won't even know what I am talking about..

[desertman007]

      I need two front SA wheel hubs for a 1983 truck. I don't need the lock-outs.

[dt]

my friend leaves his hubs engaged all the time,but leaves the stick in 2wd hi,when he has to go over something he just shifts into 4wd