Author Topic: upgrading for longs (Read 4087 times)

Gittinit · « **on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:30:15 PM »

I am soon to be buying a set of 30 spline longs with chromo hub gears. I want to know what is the next weak link in the chain. I have been considering addind more dowl pins to the hubs, or mabye just buying fror hub stud kit. If you could what single up grade would do along with 30 spline longs?

DTB · « **Reply #1 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:32:00 PM »

Quote from: gittinit on Feb 03, 2007, 07:30:15 PM

I am soon to be buying a set of 30 spline longs with chromo hub gears. I want to know what is the next weak link in the chain. I have been considering addind more dowl pins to the hubs, or mabye just buying fror hub stud kit. If you could what single up grade would do along with 30 spline longs?

hub studs are the next weakest link.....FROR sells ARP hub studs.....after that you'll be breaking knuckles me thinks

jimbo74 · « **Reply #2 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:36:36 PM »

after the studs, longs and gears, its time for a d60

DTB · « **Reply #3 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:39:45 PM »

Quote from: jimbo74 on Feb 03, 2007, 07:36:36 PM

after the studs, longs and gears, its time for a d60

jimbo74 · « **Reply #4 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:49:26 PM »

Quote from: DTB on Feb 03, 2007, 07:39:45 PM

why

after longs, studs, and hub gears? is the d60 not as strong as a toy axle?

DTB · « **Reply #5 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:51:07 PM »

no i was agreeing with you! that probably IS the next best thing!

jimbo74 · « **Reply #6 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 07:53:21 PM »

Quote from: DTB on Feb 03, 2007, 07:51:07 PM

no i was agreeing with you! that probably IS the next best thing!

ah ok..... i thought i had that right

doesn't always happen, but it's nice when it does

Gittinit · « **Reply #7 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 08:06:51 PM »

so add some more dial pins or just do the fror hub studs and be done?

locktup · « **Reply #8 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 08:16:51 PM »

ARP studs are definitely stronger than stock. With Chromo lock outs or Chromo gears people are still braking the ARP studs. Do the pins and studs. Or go 60.

Jason

Gittinit · « **Reply #9 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 08:22:32 PM »

Thats kinda what I was thinking more is better!

Loki · « **Reply #10 on:** Feb 03, 2007, 10:30:35 PM »

that's what i just ordered...i think it's the season for Bobby Long to get all our money

alwayzbroken · « **Reply #11 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 12:54:18 AM »

This is the best thing to do in my opinion. I would think it would be better than the ARP studs. This what I was gonna do before I got a chubby for Dana 60s. He installs 5/16s studs and 6 dowels.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233101

http://hendrixmotorsports.com/index.html

Loki · « **Reply #12 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 01:15:33 AM »

Quote from: alwayzbroken on Feb 04, 2007, 12:54:18 AM

This is the best thing to do in my opinion. I would think it would be better than the ARP studs. This what I was gonna do before I got a chubby for Dana 60s. He installs 5/16s studs and 6 dowels.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=233101

http://hendrixmotorsports.com/index.html

as if i haven't spent enough already...i might have to send in some spares...do you know what the turn-around time on these are?

Gittinit · « **Reply #13 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 02:41:52 PM »

I think I may do that myself if I can sneak that stuf into work to use their drill press. I just need to make a jig to get everything lined up perfect. The tolerances on the hubs, should they be a little looser in order to get the hub on/off easier. Mabye by the time I need to remove them I could afford one of those nice little pullers.

Quote from: alwayzbroken on Feb 04, 2007, 12:54:18 AM

This what I was gonna do before I got a chubby for Dana 60s.

I could get a 60 for a little more than the longs and knuckle rebuild kits. But man to set the 60 up for my toy would cost a fortune. The extra with on the axles sucks too. The best part is after I upgrade to longs the clearance over a 60 and I will be just as strong.

alwayzbroken · « **Reply #14 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 03:45:53 PM »

Quote from: gittinit on Feb 04, 2007, 02:41:52 PM

I could get a 60 for a little more than the longs and knuckle rebuild kits. But man to set the 60 up for my toy would cost a fortune. The extra with on the axles sucks too. The best part is after I upgrade to longs the clearance over a 60 and I will be just as strong.

Not as strong. 8" ring gear remember.

DTB · « **Reply #15 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 03:54:28 PM »

Quote from: alwayzbroken on Feb 04, 2007, 03:45:53 PM

Not as strong. 8" ring gear remember.

d60 is 9 and 3/4 inch right?

alwayzbroken · « **Reply #16 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 04:09:35 PM »

I'm pretty sure. You have the option of up to 7.17 axles gears too.

Gittinit · « **Reply #17 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 05:43:12 PM »

Quote from: alwayzbroken on Feb 04, 2007, 04:09:35 PM

I'm pretty sure. You have the option of up to 7.17 axles gears too.

Quote from: DTB on Feb 04, 2007, 03:54:28 PM

d60 is 9 and 3/4 inch right?

I thougt to be able to go that low you have to run a dana 70. I'm pretty shure that 60s don't go as low. I'm also think that a dana 60 is 91/4 ring gear and you have to upgrade to get 35 spline shafts.

alwayzbroken · « **Reply #18 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 05:48:59 PM »

Gears are available that low for the 60. I think you may be right about 9.25

I dunno either way it is more than enough. 35 spline shafts are a good idea but not mandatory. You will probably break an outer shaft if you don't upgrade though.

Gittinit · « **Reply #19 on:** Feb 04, 2007, 06:05:53 PM »

I don't really know my dana axles.

cheap sunglasses · « **Reply #20 on:** Feb 06, 2007, 09:35:10 PM »

Pretty sure 60s have 9.75" ring gear.
D70: 10.25"
9": 9.0" (duh)
D44: 8.5"

Westy · « **Reply #21 on:** Feb 08, 2007, 09:47:00 AM »

The weak link in a Toy 8" is the R&P....no matter what upgrades you do to the axle. Thats not saying they arent holding up to 38"+ tires with Longfields...etc

30 spline Longs, Chromo Hub gears and studs with Cryo'ed R&P is your best bet...and most people will never break that.

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