Blue toy 84 I'm with you.... coming from a forum that critisizes people for buying the "competitors" stuff because its $100 or more cheaper. If everyone is bucking up to buy all marlin components why will no one buck up to buy a $300 manual bender that you don't need "sand" or what ever pixi dust you need to get a good accurate bend. Just look at the poll 70+ people and 75% say its crap or you get what you pay for... so I ask. Whose dual case is better marlins dual row mc07 for $150 dollars more with limmited warrenty or the cheaper tg dual adapter with a no questions asked lifetime no matter what warrenty? Its off topic but the mc07 is why we are here why is no one giving links to better benders than a hf for an affordable price