I guess I mean by todays tires like the Creeepy Crawlers and so on. From best I could find the 40 mt/r came out in something like 04. I know the tire world didnt' change in that little of time but I think the Red Label came out afterwards. I notice folks outwest love um and any where the climate is mostly dry they are still a tire of choice. In the south I don't think I have ever seen a set in action. It either Red Labels or swampers.