oh alright i get what you guys are saying. so it's all the same just different tube design? i was actually thinking about just welding some tube and making my own and flipping the pan around when this all started and i was staring at it with the anger of a lynch mob sipping my red bull, but the welds would fail then my engine would look like your avatar picture SFD4x4!! ha ha
seriously though thanks for the input guys!