Odyssy's are bad ass! I totally agree with you on optima's well red tops at least, Ive got 3 wasted red tops sitting in my garage. They all worked great for about a year then nothing, they were total junk. I bought all of them new but was unable to do any warrenty related beings the builsness's I bought them from all closed before they went bad. Not sure why I havent chucked them. Maybe its the fact I cant see actually throwing something that cost so much away.