no one has touched this in a while so i thought might as well post a pic of the drawing for my bumper I'm gonna make. If my plans work right i should be using just under 15feet of tubing for the main design, I'm hoping to use either 1-1/2" or 1-3/4 for the main, mounts, and stinger. mine is going to run without a winch because this is my Daley driver and doesn't need all the fancy doo dadds. the main tube, at the farthest point will be about 6" from the core support so about 4" out from the grill i could be wrong. but here it is