terry, in thinking about this, banana shackles wont move the mount back further at all, you are missing the point, let me ms paint a pic.... in the front, you use bananas because you cant use longer shackles because they will hit the body mount. in the rear, there is nothing obstructing..... my pictures aren't to scale but they are supposed to be equal, even the length between the bolt holes... lets say both the banana and the regular are 6" from bolt hole to bolt hole, by using the banana you don't gain anything over the regular shackles. you don't need bananas because there is nothing obstructing to necessitate its use