I'd have to agree on that Mike, before the gears came we were 4 wheeling, after some point in the mid 90's the term rock crawling came into play. I remember the 1st year Marlin brought his truck to TDS with the gears, everyone behind him was pissed. I talked with several people that warned of being behind you guys and saying, "Don't follow them unless you plan on spending a lot of time waiting, that damn red truck goes as fast as a desert tortoise crossing in front of you on a trail".