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failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« on: Apr 22, 2013, 01:52:16 PM »
Can anyone offer any smog advice for my van?
 
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #1 on: Aug 03, 2013, 01:46:48 PM »
High NO is caused from a lean condition, egr, injectors, intake leak, possible bad cat however your HC's says it isn't.

I would check the timing, pull and clean the egr, test for intake leaks(propane torch works well not lit of course), run a bottle of seafoam or other type of carbon build-up through the system, possibly pull and clean the injectors.
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #2 on: Aug 03, 2013, 01:58:08 PM »
From what I have been told, this year motor doesn't have an egr. Plugs, wires, and dizzy cap and rotor have less than 5k on them. I run mobil 1 full synthetic 10-30 and an oversized ford fl1a fliter (same size as a fram ph8a)

The timing isn't adjustable per dodge spec and the computer peramemters

I did do some seafoam before my tuneup about 5k ago
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #3 on: Aug 03, 2013, 07:58:21 PM »
A quick search provided an issue with fuel/air distribution and according to the article the egr was eliminated in 1996 so you should be correct on that.

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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #4 on: Aug 03, 2013, 10:23:03 PM »
Original cat converter?

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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #5 on: Aug 03, 2013, 10:28:34 PM »
Original cat converter?



i have no idea, I think it might be? :dunno: this vehicle actually belongs to my in-laws, that got it way back in the day
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #6 on: Aug 03, 2013, 10:42:18 PM »
With 201711 (+?) miles, if it's the original, I'd go with it being worn out.
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2014, 05:43:46 PM »
!!!!!!!!!

Ok, So I did a bunch of work to my van.....

Now, it DID NOT PASS SMOG!!! BUT!!!!! It was due to OBD system readiness

OLD SMOG
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data//500/medium/smog1.jpg

NEW SMOG TODAY
http://www.explorerforum.com/photopost/data//3969/medium/new_smog_5-15-14.jpg

Ok here are my smog reports, the original and the new one..... I did drive the van for 60 miles prior to taking it in to get tested.

Gas tank is full. Engine oil was changed earlier this morning, oversized oil filer (ford fl1a - equivalent to fram ph8a) mobil 1 full synthetic high mileage oil 10w-40

Just replaced the cat, upstream and downstream o2 sensors, pcv valve, crankcase breather,  cleaned IAC and port in TB, sprayed some carb cleaner down the throat of the TB, New fuel pump, new air filter

plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor were replaced within the last year, and since the last smog test.

gas cap was tested and is good



on the way home, I got a few codes!! NOOOOOOO!!!!! I got p0300 (multiple cylinder misfire), p0304 (cylinder 4 misfire), and p0132 (Upstream 02 sensor voltage high)



HELP ME PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2014, 09:12:05 PM »
A little more from today's trip to and from work. 1 was is about 35 miles with about 27of that being on the highway.

 This morning, code p0132 manifested itself again, and a new code, p0138 (downstram o2 over voltage). I rest the codes when I arrived at work. after work, on my drive home, p0132 showed up again, I saw exactly when the light came on, I was going up an overpass and was at around 60mph. the vehicle felt like someone had put the brakes on for a split second and the light came on. My foot was into the pedal at the same pressure the whole time, moderate pressure

 at this point, should I swap the 02 sensors for what was originally on my old cat system? I think I might, just to rule the o2 sensors out, or not
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2014, 11:51:15 PM »
BigMike!

can you check out my chronicled journal here on it?

I think you might have some beneficial input for me

especially the last post


http://dodgeforum.com/forum/dodge-ram-van/374977-failed-smog-again-new-issues-and-codes-2.html

any questions? post up, I will respond quickly
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 12:50:24 PM »
hre is that last post on dodgeforum:

Quote from: jimbo74;3168538
As of tonight, I have 1 pending code, and nothing else stored

and a new I/M


Now, of course, I want to look into that pending code, and it looks like it is my o2 sensor, bank 1 sensor 2.... as I only have 2 sensors, this will be the one after that cat.

well, I went into my live stream... and it never changes voltage. the upstream one does on my live display.. Does this have anything to do with it?

the only I/M I don't have lit up as passing is HRT. for the ones with the grey O with a slash through it, I assume I don't need to worry about those? as I know one is for EGR and my motor doesn't have that system









also, while browsing online, I stumbled upon this:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/im/obd/regtech/420f08009.pdf


does this mean my vehicle is exempt or what? or for a portion? as I only have 1 I/M not reporting now, should I be perfectly fine on the test?
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2014, 10:48:44 PM »
anyone?


I think I am going to try and get it smogged again tomorrow
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Re: failed smog in 1996 dodge van
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2014, 10:10:21 AM »
well, it didn't happen. took my daughter to school today, and the light popped on.....

p0141, p0300, p0304 at this point all I/m monitors were ready, but since I had to clear out the mil, it reset o2s, hrt and cat
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