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This seems like a dumb question, but can I follow my 1985 FSM to build this motor? I know the torque differences might be different. If so, I'll just buy a 82-83 FSM on eBay. I'd hate to, I just need the engine building section. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
The bolts holding my oil pan on my '85 are pretty wimpy. Didn't Toyota upgrade those bolts sometime in the mid '80s?
Actually that is NOT a dumb question.After looking through upteen manuals and published manufacturer's catalogs over the past 40+ years, I have noted that there can be mistakes, misprints, misinformation, or changes over time. So... I tend to do research and check sources for accuracy on critical specs. Also, some torque specs in the Toyota manual I do NOT follow because the amount of ft. lbs seems too high (like the 38 ft lbs for the front axle spindle mounting bolts on a straight axle)... that's just my personal experience.I have both Toyota Factory Truck & 4Runner Manuals - 1985 and 1986. There are some differences in some of the specifications, like the piston specs. So if you are relying on your local machine shop you would want to make DAMN sure that they have the correct specifications from Toyota, or they know what they should or could be between a 1985 and 1986 block, and other parts being machined or assembled, as an example.Regarding the torque specs for the basic engine components - crank, rods, flywheel, camshaft, etc - they are the same. The one difference in torque specs between the spec in MY 1985 FSM and MY 1986 FSM is the oil pan to block. In my 1986 manual it is 9 ft lbs. In my 1985 FSM it is 52 in. lbs. which equals about 4.33 ft lbs. NOW... that spec is in the back of the manual under Service Specifications Engine Mechanical. BUT... in the Engine Mechanical Timing Chain sections, the manual describes in detail how to apply the sealant and torque the pan to block. AND in that section the torque specs are the same for the 1985 and 1986 manual - both showing 9 ft lbs. I would go with the 9 ft lbs spec, but perhaps someone could explain why there is a difference in the printed spec between the repair section and the specifications section of the back of the 1985 Toyota FSM.Gnarls.
.... My main question is the timing guides and tensioner, and what those need to be at. What do you think?
... I have been debating buying an old manual from 81-83, as it would have a lot of stuff I need....
If I put dollar bill in a piggy bank for every hour I spent reading my Toyota FSMs since 1986 - I'd have enough saved up to take a really nice All-Inclusive Caribbean Cruise!!!Gnarls.
I believe I am a little confused about the end gap, I know the minimum gap, I calculated it, and I am above the minimum. What about the maximum? I can't seem to find a clear answer when it comes to the maximum gap. Could someone help me out? much appreciated!!
How do I know it's a heavy duty unit? Well, that's the reason I hate it. You rev the engine up to take off from a standstill, and start slowly letting the clutch in. Unless you're really careful, when the pedal is about halfway up the clutch grabs with a jerk and a ka-bang! and the truck shoots forward (on pavement) or spins a tire (on dirt) while the engine lugs down and almost stalls. After nearly 10 months of daily driving this clutch, I've got used to it somewhat, to the point where my love balances out my hate for it. But there's only so much "getting used to" can do.
If you go to a heavy duty pressure plate and sticky clutch disc, you might consider getting a new clutch slave cylinder - and having a spare. Several guys I knew experienced the slave cylinder failure. This failure on the trail without a spare will be a trail run you won't forget.Several guys I knew who installed the CentreForce and heavy duty pressure plates did not like the way they grabbed on engagement. I don't know how Marlin's kit works.In 20+ years of wheeling, I saw more slave cylinder failures than I did clutch disc failures.That's my opinion - it may be worthless.Gnarls.
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Which manufacturer of the rings did you buy from LCE? The manufacturer of the rings will provide you the gap specs.Gnarls.
I've heard great things about the OSK sets so I bought one, I used one when I did the chain on my truck 15K miles ago so why not get another?
This is a dual row kit, it has all the sprockets and the chain, all with that sweet MADE IN JAPAN stamp I love to see.
I wanted to do a comparison of some stuff from the kit, the gaskets, compared to my actual Toyota kit are different in material, the OSK kit has these paper gaskets, while the Toyota has these gaskets made out of some other material I can't exactly determine.
The Toyota gaskets are also thicker and seem like they will probably work better than the OSK kit, but looks aren't everything.
And the front oil pump seal, the one provided in the Toyota kit is super thin, about half the thickness of the OSK kit, which leads me to believe that the Toyota seal is designed to not ride in the groove the stock seal made from thousands of miles, so it probably rides on clean non grooved metal.
However this is all just speculation, I could be wrong. Just what I observed. Can't wait for my oil pump and water pump to come in so I can paint them. (Ford grey)
15K miles ago I did the timing chain on my 85 22R block that's in my truck, the guides went bad. This OSK kit comes with metal backed guides, this is an early style dual row motor, so I wanted to only put parts in it that came out of it. My assumptions on the gaskets are just that, assumptions. I know nothing, sure, I have experience with these parts but that means nothing. I'm NOT trying to make myself sound like an expert, I'm simply just pointing out how the Toyota gasket is probably better. I wasn't even saying the seals we're lesser quality, just simply stating that to me, the Toyota seal looks designed to not ride in the groove that the old seal made. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
There actually are 2 different seals that I know of. The thinner one is used by most so it'll seal against the crankshaft where the old one wasn't riding by allowing you to either place it deeper or shallower in the hole on the timing cover. I've done this in the past to get my leaks to stop.
The head gasket debate will continue. I've used Fel-pro head gaskets on several 22-RE's, no problems/many miles, same results with Toyota head gaskets, so it's a toss-up depending on cleanliness of and attention to detail upon installation. I've not had a head gasket returned except for a blown radiator hose/overheat problem-operator error. My 2cents your experience may vary, no warranty implied.
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