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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #120 on: Jan 10, 2018, 09:57:21 PM »
What power, RPM range, peak torque and peak HP are you designing this build for?

If you are running in Fresno, CA, and averaging a 300 foot elevation, your engine will feel good about that.

I agree, and I have experienced, that very small changes can be “felt” by your butt dyno.  Those small changes in performance have been most noticeable in my 22R.  Performance-seeking changes in my 22RE’s have not been as noticeable. 

I believe H8PVMNT has clearly demonstrated that very small changes in a carb’d engine can be significant.

Crankshaft scrapers are relatively inexpensive, however, I don’t believe a SuperFlo 902S engine dyno would record the change in torque in a stock 22RE, however it might record the difference between 5w-20 vs 20w-50.  Scrapers also are known to be more tricky to seal up.  Regarding lubricity issues, I have not read about any serious problems with a 22 in typical 4-wheeling activities.

When it comes to changes in a 22RE, first, MammaECU will control and limit many changes, including AFR.  The stock 22RE injectors will limit AF.  Volumetric Efficiency are THE two big words when it comes to engine performance and power… so intake, head, cam, and exhaust is most often the main focus.

If you are wanting to tweak and tune for incremental power, and I’m a big fan of getting the most out of our little engines, there are known factors to help.  Super tuning a 22RE and all its sensors is very important. Beyond that,  motor oil and gear oil viscosity can be parasitic, along with other engine components that induce drag– NASCAR engines typically run 0w motor oil and electric water pumps, for example.

That’s just my very limited experience with Toyota 22s.  :gap:

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For now I just want to get it put back together and running so I can drive it! After that, I plan on spending more time fine tuning everything (plan on installing a wideband O2 sensor and gauge when the motor goes back in for more data when tuning) and see how much of a difference can be made doing that
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #121 on: Jan 10, 2018, 09:59:31 PM »
Also, new flywheel and clutch kit are on their way, so depending on what time they come in on friday I should hopefully be able to get them to the machine shop to have the flywheel and pressure plate balanced (the machine shop is in the same building as the Napa I ordered them from haha
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #122 on: Jan 11, 2018, 02:26:37 AM »
Also, new flywheel and clutch kit are on their way, so depending on what time they come in on friday I should hopefully be able to get them to the machine shop to have the flywheel and pressure plate balanced (the machine shop is in the same building as the Napa I ordered them from haha

Hey sassparilla_kid,

Whose clutch kit and flywheel did you order?

I am very curious to learn how much, if any, the machine shop that does the balance on the flywheel and pressure plate, will discover what it takes to balance them.  It would also be nice to know to how many grams they balance to and what balancing equipment they use?

Thanks,

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #123 on: Jan 14, 2018, 05:48:10 PM »
Hey sassparilla_kid,

Whose clutch kit and flywheel did you order?

I am very curious to learn how much, if any, the machine shop that does the balance on the flywheel and pressure plate, will discover what it takes to balance them.  It would also be nice to know to how many grams they balance to and what balancing equipment they use?

Thanks,

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They're both Luk brand, and of course I ordered them for a turbo truck because I believe there are minor differences between them and the n/a models (diameter, spline count?)
Unfortunately the guy who has the machine shop doesn't have any balancing equipment, so now I'm debating finding a shop that does or just assume they're close enough from the manufacturer.

Was hoping to get the engine mostly buttoned up today but I dicked around all morning and ran out of time to really get anything done. Managed to get the rest of the engine bits power washed though, so pretty much all I have left (while it's on the stand) is setting cam timing, install the distributor, and get the intake manifold/s (such a weird design) on along with whatever other piping there is for the egr and water stuff. I'M GETTING SO EXCITED!!!!

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #124 on: Jan 14, 2018, 11:46:15 PM »
If I may ask... What brand of gaskets are you using for your intake, exhaust, and head? Looking for some for my 22RE and have not been able to find solid reviews. Some good some bad but pretty much 50/50. The 3 that I've heard of are OEM, Rock, and felpro and am really pushing towards oem truthfully.
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #125 on: Jan 15, 2018, 04:31:31 AM »
Felpro intake gaskets do fine. I don't particularly care for their exhaust manifold gasket. It's thin and seems to fail within the first year of use. Oem for exhaust in my opinion.
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #126 on: Jan 15, 2018, 08:19:11 AM »
I got a full gasket set on Amazon, I think from some company called Evergreen or something?? I ended up with a bunch of spares because all of the replacement stuff  (timing cover, water pump, etc) came with gaskets, so I've just been using whichever seemed better quality

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #127 on: Jan 15, 2018, 06:32:05 PM »
Gasket and seal brands are like oil and filters.... and like toilet paper... whatever works and feels good to you.

For my recent engine rebuild, I used the gaskets from engnbldr's kit.  After doing more research and getting more input from some of the guys here, and getting some feedback from the Technical people at several aftermarket suppliers, I'd probably buy a different set of gaskets and seals, and lean towards Toyota brand.

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #128 on: Jan 15, 2018, 06:40:22 PM »
They're both Luk brand, and of course I ordered them for a turbo truck because I believe there are minor differences between them and the n/a models (diameter, spline count?)
Unfortunately the guy who has the machine shop doesn't have any balancing equipment, so now I'm debating finding a shop that does or just assume they're close enough from the manufacturer.

Was hoping to get the engine mostly buttoned up today but I dicked around all morning and ran out of time to really get anything done. Managed to get the rest of the engine bits power washed though, so pretty much all I have left (while it's on the stand) is setting cam timing, install the distributor, and get the intake manifold/s (such a weird design) on along with whatever other piping there is for the egr and water stuff. I'M GETTING SO EXCITED!!!!

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My transmission shop recommends Luk.

Regarding balancing... Tod at engnbldr said it isn't necessary with stock+ 22.  I had my machine shop balance everything.

The stock 22 flywheel weighs 24.5 lbs, the pressure plate weighs 10.5 lbs, the clutch disc weighs 2 lbs 9.7 oz. that's a lot of weight hanging off the end of the crankshaft and the input shaft, spinning at 4,000 or 5,000 RPMs.  Having the flywheel and the pressure plate balanced together can't hurt, BUT... lots of guys say you really don't need to worry too much unless you are going to build a high RPM engine, and the factory/supplier balancing is good enough.  I think I paid an extra $95.00 for the balance job.

I had it done more because of my anal curiosity.

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #129 on: Jan 15, 2018, 06:57:06 PM »
I wonder if you could use a motorcycle wheel balancer to do the flywheel, pressure plate and disc...........


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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #130 on: Jan 15, 2018, 07:05:35 PM »
I wonder if you could use a motorcycle wheel balancer to do the flywheel, pressure plate and disc...........




Probably not accurate enough?  There's a big difference between static balancing and dynamic balancing.

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #131 on: Jan 15, 2018, 07:45:21 PM »
A flywheel, pressure plate and disc are thin enough that dynamic wouldn't matter. 
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #132 on: Jan 15, 2018, 07:56:23 PM »
Also more accurate than doing nothing
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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #133 on: Jan 16, 2018, 03:20:11 AM »
A flywheel, pressure plate and disc are thin enough that dynamic wouldn't matter. 

A flywheel, pp, and clutch disc together are no longer a single plane.  Any accurate balancing should be done dynamically.  If the accuracy of balancing a flywheel was not that critical, why are there $100,000 to $500,000+ balancing machines?  :dunno:

For $95 more added to the total cost of a quality rebuilt engine - for me that's a no brainer.  I've spent almost that much on RTV and sealer!  :yesnod:

More importantly, I would NEVER trust myself at attempting to check and drill a flywheel or pressure plate to balance them on anything I would have in my garage.  :willynilly:

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #134 on: Jan 16, 2018, 03:25:19 AM »
Also more accurate than doing nothing

I would do nothing.  I would leave the flywheel at whatever factory/supplier balance job before EVER attempting to do something myself!.... messing up a flywheel balance job would get me an "F" DIYer grade , and could FUBAR a rebuild.  :smack:

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #135 on: Jan 16, 2018, 07:04:41 PM »
Now that we're past the flywheel, some more technical questions. First, I'm assuming all of the efi related sensors (aside from the AFM) are the same between turbo and non-turbo? Several of the ones on the engine going into the truck are broken off so I'd rather use the ones from the engine coming out than spend another $4-500 on electronics. Secondly, I'm curious if the throttle body is the same between turbo and non-turbo? Somebody was telling me the turbo one is larger but I haven't found anything online discussing it

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #136 on: Jan 17, 2018, 02:46:51 AM »
.... Somebody was telling me ....but I haven't found anything ...


Be careful... there's a lot of fake news out there.  :rofl2:

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Re: 22re full rebuild
« Reply #137 on: Oct 14, 2018, 08:42:23 PM »
Engine is in! Runs awesome! Got a few exhaust leaks to address and then smog still, hope to be daily driving it in the next month or so

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