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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #300 on: Aug 29, 2016, 09:27:59 AM »
My extra weight, wind resistance and tire keep me from breaking into 20 mpg I think.

I think guys are doing a little better mpg with the 261C.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #301 on: Aug 29, 2016, 09:31:52 AM »
My extra weight, wind resistance and tire keep me from breaking into 20 mpg I think.

I think guys are doing a little better mpg with the 261C.

I am VERY curious how this cam and engine performs, and I will put it on the dyno at my local speed shop, and I will record my gas mileage.  We have wind here quite often and I drive from about 1,000 elevation to my home at about 1400 feet elevation, and I can feel the drag on the slow up hill climb for about 5 miles. If I'm bucking a headwind, I had to shift into 4th gear!  :shake_head:  ... which you have pointed out several times... bugs the crap out of me.

As I remember this truck is 3250 with a full tank of fuel and me sitting in it.... I'm 195 lbs.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #302 on: Aug 29, 2016, 03:56:58 PM »
Hi helipilot77,

Yeah.. I agree we can get a little crazy with the subject of tweaking more power out of 22.  I've read thousands of posts over the years on the subject.  I've done engine swaps in my past and they were a lot of work and required fabricating adapter parts.  If I were going to get real serious about swapping an engine in this truck, I would become a sinner and build a 1963 Buick 215 aluminum block V-8 - IF I could get it to pass emissions. :shake_head:

For this rebuild I think the machining of the block and head at the machine shop, it probably would not cost much more to bore it to .060" over, deck the head a few thousandths, and buy an adjustable timing gear.

I DO think the gain torque would be worth it.... but it's all speculation right now.

It's all fun.

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I had that 215 in a hand-me down 1980 Toyota with cat sized rust holes in it.  It was a pretty cool engine, I have to say.  The carb didn't like angles at all but it got 16-17 mpg highway and was not lacking for power at all.  I ran it with stock gears and 33s.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #303 on: Aug 29, 2016, 03:59:04 PM »
What is the ballpark cost for a basic Dyno run? No tuning just to see what power your putting down.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #304 on: Aug 29, 2016, 04:04:31 PM »
I averaged 17-18 with my new engine on 87 octane. I did have the A/C on as well, although my truck does weigh in close to 4500  :headshake:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #305 on: Aug 29, 2016, 04:09:59 PM »
What is the ballpark cost for a basic Dyno run? No tuning just to see what power your putting down.
Any shop near me wants about $90 to just over $120 for a few dyno runs

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #306 on: Aug 29, 2016, 04:41:33 PM »
I had that 215 in a hand-me down 1980 Toyota with cat sized rust holes in it.  It was a pretty cool engine, I have to say.  The carb didn't like angles at all but it got 16-17 mpg highway and was not lacking for power at all.  I ran it with stock gears and 33s.


My nephew who is Mopar expert has a friend who has a good number of these 215 aluminum block engines and would build one for me for my truck.  I have always wanted to do a swap in my trucks.   

Back in my sand duning days, my good friend and ex-drag racer Steve Korney, raced a sand rail with a 215 with two bottles on it, one nitrous and one propane... guess what the propane was for??

It was EXTREMELY quick on the sand!

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #307 on: Aug 29, 2016, 04:44:56 PM »
What is the ballpark cost for a basic Dyno run? No tuning just to see what power your putting down.

Hey helipilot77,

My local speed shop charges $110 for about 1 hour.  I can get about 3 to 4 pulls.

The operator has been operating this dyno and software for about 10 years. 

This is one of the most accurate chassis dynos on the market.  I’ve heard comments that the DynoJet  chassis dynos give “happy” numbers?

Here’s their chassis dyno:   http://mustangdyne.com/md-600-series/

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #308 on: Aug 29, 2016, 05:38:27 PM »

As I remember this truck is 3250 with a full tank of fuel and me sitting in it.... I'm 195 lbs.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #309 on: Aug 29, 2016, 05:52:14 PM »

As I remember this truck is 3250 with a full tank of fuel and me sitting in it.... I'm 195 lbs.

Gnarls.


It's heavier than that...........

An 86 XtraCab has a 5080 GVW and a 1400 payload   (as I look at my 86 brochure)

That leaves an empty weight of 3680 lbs  without anybody or anything in it  (but full tank) 

Gas is 6.2lbs / gallon * 19.3 gallons = 119.7 lbs

or 3560.3 lbs as you run out of gas  (not including you)
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #310 on: Aug 29, 2016, 06:47:39 PM »

It's heavier than that...........

An 86 XtraCab has a 5080 GVW and a 1400 payload   (as I look at my 86 brochure)

That leaves an empty weight of 3680 lbs  without anybody or anything in it  (but full tank) 

Gas is 6.2lbs / gallon * 19.3 gallons = 119.7 lbs

or 3560.3 lbs as you run out of gas  (not including you)


I didn't mean to shave off some weight....

Well.. it's been almost ten years since I weighed it.  But, yes as I recollect I was surprised that it weighed about 300 lbs. more than my 1985 shortbed.  So, I can't find my little log book, but yes, I think it was close to 3500 + something?

I think my 1985 was 3195 with me not sitting in it and a full tank of fuel, 33" tires mounted on aluminum wheels, with 103" wheelbase. 

This 1986 has 112" wheelbase and has a 17 gallon gas tank.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #311 on: Aug 30, 2016, 07:37:59 AM »
My nephew who is Mopar expert has a friend who has a good number of these 215 aluminum block engines and would build one for me for my truck.  I have always wanted to do a swap in my trucks.   

Back in my sand duning days, my good friend and ex-drag racer Steve Korney, raced a sand rail with a 215 with two bottles on it, one nitrous and one propane... guess what the propane was for??

It was EXTREMELY quick on the sand!

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There was one for sale for $500 over here last year.  I looked into it but the 215 is not an economical engine to rebuild.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #312 on: Aug 30, 2016, 09:52:33 AM »
There was one for sale for $500 over here last year.  I looked into it but the 215 is not an economical engine to rebuild.

Hey H8PVMNT,

I haven't looked into a 215 swap for over 10 years, so I'd have to check it out again to see if I could get one to pass emissions, then how feasible to building one, including whether or not any adapters are available or I'd have to fab them?

A 4.7 V-8, like the one in my Tundra may be a smarter swap???  :dunno:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #313 on: Aug 30, 2016, 10:25:34 AM »
The one I had was on a 1980 style 4 speed.  It pretty much looked like it nearly bolted up.  I remember a couple extra holes drilled in the bell housing.  I never did a clutch in it but it supposedly had a mix of Toyota and Buick clutch components.

Guy who had it was an old school machinist so who knows.  I sold the truck real cheap to a buddy.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #314 on: Aug 30, 2016, 11:48:16 AM »
Speaking of swaps... has anybody done a Toyota 4.7 V-8 swap in an early Toyota pickup or 4Runner?  :dunno:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #315 on: Aug 30, 2016, 11:56:56 AM »
This guy did a 2uz swap: http://www.instagram.com/dinigram/

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #316 on: Aug 30, 2016, 11:57:28 AM »
http://www.instagram.com/p/BBOoLnKlfFJ/

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #317 on: Aug 30, 2016, 02:01:09 PM »
http://www.instagram.com/p/BBOoLnKlfFJ/

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Thanks, excabswap,  I will check those out.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #318 on: Aug 30, 2016, 07:26:12 PM »
Hi redneckcustoms13,
Sorry I hven't been back on this thread in a while. I have ran numerous header options on 20r and 22r engines. I ran the dougy and lce both on the same engine in the the same truck. Could be that it was not a stock truck on 29" tires, but I felt zero difference between the two. Either is an upgrade over factory cracked manifold. Both would be an excellent choice in my opinion.
I re-read your post.  Are you saying that you could NOT tell any difference between the LCE and DT, or that you could not tell any difference between the LCE & DT and the stock exhaust manifold?

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #319 on: Aug 30, 2016, 09:10:49 PM »



Hey redneckcustoms1,

You posted what appears to be a quote that I posted.  I didn't post that.  It looks like you got your reply mixed up with my posted questions.   But I think I see what your reply is..

You couldn't tell the difference between the LCE 4-in-1 and the Doug Thorley, right?  And... your experience may be my experience.  I could test each one and NOT feel any difference... but I sure would like to test them on an engine dyno.

Speaking of experiences... obviously each of us has a different level of awareness, experience and driving style.  I have driven trucks that the owner thinks is a real modified cats-a$$ machine.  But, compared to my more stock 22R, my truck would kick his truck's butt.  I have also had a guy ride in my '85 and when I tac'd it to 5,000 RPM in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears, the guy says I'm going to blow up my engine! :willynilly:   ...and says he never tacs his engine over 4,000 RPM!!  :smack:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #320 on: Sep 01, 2016, 03:45:26 AM »
  I have also had a guy ride in my '85 and when I tac'd it to 5,000 RPM in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears, the guy says I'm going to blow up my engine! :willynilly:   ...and says he never tacs his engine over 4,000 RPM!!  :smack:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #321 on: Sep 01, 2016, 04:23:45 AM »
:smack:

I made a 1/2 dozen trips to the Glamis sand dunes with both my first 1986 22RE longbed automatic and my 1985 22R shortbed 5-speed.  I REDLINED those engines a-l-l daaaay loooonng!!  Before each trip, I went over the entire truck with a fine tooth comb and tuned the engines to within a gnat's a$$ of right-on!  Fresh oil and air filter.  I added a 1/2 can of STP Oil Treatment to crankcase.  At the dunes my tires were air'd down to 4 PSI.  I removed every pound I could from the truck, including tailgate and spare tire.  In my 85 I installed a 5-point harness, but in the dunes I could only use the lap belt because the bouncing in the seat would beat the crap out of my shoulders. 

Geeezz.. .those were fun wheel'n days!!!  :dancing:


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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #322 on: Sep 01, 2016, 04:52:00 PM »
Question:

I'm about to clean the nasty carbon'd up throttle body.

What have you found that works the best?

I bought a couple brushes and will use some kind? of solvent.

It was 102d F in the garage today, so I didn't get to work on my engine that much!!  :crazy:

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #323 on: Sep 01, 2016, 05:13:48 PM »
Oil Eater from Costco and an old tooth brush.

Mix 50/50 with water.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #324 on: Sep 02, 2016, 07:25:17 AM »
Pinesol works wonders on carbs.
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #325 on: Sep 02, 2016, 08:23:25 AM »
Pinesol works wonders on carbs.

Thank you for the input...

I did some research on the net on what products can clean an alloy throttle body and I got 2 dozen different opinions and experiences on what product has been used and what happened.

I was thinking about soaking it in a solution like overnight to help reduce the work to clean it out, but I'm not sure WHAT solution would attack the aluminum in the TB.  From the look of it, I'd guess that it is 30 years old and never been cleaned.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #326 on: Sep 09, 2016, 04:57:57 AM »
UPDATE:  9-9-2016

The rebuild and re-install is going slower than I had anticipated.  I’ve spent more time cleaning parts and ordering parts than I predicted.  As I mentioned, I already went over budget by about 25% $$$$$.  :think:

I’m working a little OT to help fill in the dings in my checking account, I’m on rice & beans  :yumyum:, clipping coupons :gap:, and extended my hair cuts to every 6 weeks! :therethere:  I have the AC temp set at 81d F trying to save a little more on the outrageous summertime electric bills here in sunny AZ.  :idea:

HOT TIP:  If I could start over, I would have taken way more time to carefully examine EVERY part and make a list of all the parts I would need to replace or rebuild, including gaskets and rubber.  And, I would have added a “contingency fund” to my projected costs.  :smack:

Cleaning parts that look like they have not been cleaned in 30 years is worse than hard labor!  :thumbdown: My garage gets up to 100d F by about 1pm, so it really kicks my ol’ butt.  :crazy:  Maybe I should have killed that little bug before it crawled up my butt about rebuilding my engine in middle of summer! :yikes:

I’m not complaining… just sharing some personal thoughts, experience, adding some humor to my project so I don’t take life too seriously. :ha_ha: :D

Gnarls. :smokin:
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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #327 on: Sep 12, 2016, 04:44:01 AM »
UPDATE 9-12-16:

Yesterday was an attack in my engine rebuild project!  :yikes:

My house AC compressor on the heat pump apparently died.  My AC guy will let me know today, but it's estimated between $4,000 and $6,000.  I just had to put a set of tires on TWO vehicles in last week!  :yikes: 

Have you priced the cost of rubber lately!!!  :smack:

So the ding in my checking account is going to like IED!!  :rivers:

At 101 degrees F yesterday, needless to say I didn't get much sleep last night!

I guess the old saying "things happen in 3's" worked on me!!

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #328 on: Sep 12, 2016, 07:51:03 AM »
Gee, it's only predicted to be 98d F today.... and NO A/C!!  :willynilly: :crazy:

Would this be a 4x4 redneck air conditioning system?  :talkingn:

Those are frozen bottles.

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Re: Gnarly4X's 22RE Rebuild
« Reply #329 on: Sep 12, 2016, 08:37:14 AM »
Ouch, now that's no fun at all. Have you looked into getting one of those window A/C units? Could probably pick one up for cheap on craigslist.

 
 
 
 
 

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