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Title: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jul 21, 2004, 11:46:00 PM
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Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 21, 2004, 11:46:42 PM
UMMMMM, cheap A$$ Hydro assist
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 21, 2004, 11:47:30 PM
Not bad for right @ $100 with all new parts. We'll see how it works on Swamp this weekend.  :driving:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: WHITE_TRASH on Jul 21, 2004, 11:51:46 PM
You do realize that I think you suck now dont you?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 21, 2004, 11:56:22 PM
Ehh, but I can still turn @ will.  :moon: Oh, and it does great on the road too, minor mod to the pump and you can't even tell it's there.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: WHITE_TRASH on Jul 21, 2004, 11:57:44 PM
Glad to here it works well.  What are the specs on the ram?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 22, 2004, 12:00:32 AM
1.5" cylinder. Stroke is just over 6", with the sucky turning radius of our Toy axles, an 8" stroke is pointless. This still stuffs the steering stops and still wants to keep turning.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: Prismo on Jul 22, 2004, 12:01:04 AM
Looks nice & clean.
What, no 10 page build up thread on the hydro assist? :greengrin:
Is there a write up on this modification that you followed or are you going to post up one for us?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: WHITE_TRASH on Jul 22, 2004, 12:02:58 AM
Yup thats sorta what I was wondering too.  Ive got a sneeky feeling ShawnB's truck will end up with it and so will mine.  What is the shaft size on the ram? 1/2?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 22, 2004, 12:07:43 AM
Well first off I have to say this took about a third of the time I was figuring. I thought tapping the box would be the hard part. From pulling the box until it ws back on the frame was about 1 hour. I wheeled with a guy who has setup/sold hundreds of H A setups and he filled me in on how to do it for more than half of all the kits (what a rip if you ask me). After talking with him, I started hunting for parts and found them all @ one place. I'd say this whole setup with box mods, modding the pump, brackets and all might have been 3 hours, and that's high side. Any questions just post up, I'm an experienced veteran now!  :screwy: Not sure on shaft diameter, I wnat to say 5/8 or 3/4.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: WHITE_TRASH on Jul 22, 2004, 12:10:53 AM
Ok Im dumb, I just actually LOOKED at the rod on your ram.  Yes Id say 3/4" Id say you got a hell of a deal on that setup!
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 22, 2004, 12:15:26 AM
That's the thing, I actually paid more than I needed to but convenience won out over searching. These are all off the shelf parts taht anyone can order up. Just a matter of having the ... :headscratch:.... :idea: to go get them on your own and to know what you are buying. I'm just stoked I met Dean when I did, because he probably saved me $200 on my setup.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: WHITE_TRASH on Jul 22, 2004, 12:17:59 AM
Hmm that would be awesome in the snow........
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 22, 2004, 12:23:13 AM
Yeah I locked in the ARB and drovearound for a while. Evenwith 2.5 BS hummer wheels, 36" SXs and 1" wheel spacers, still couldn't tell I was locked.  ;)
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: Roktoys84 on Jul 22, 2004, 09:21:28 AM
WE NEED MORE DETAILS!!! :_order:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: KYOTA on Jul 22, 2004, 09:33:34 AM
Yes more info please, how to mod the box and pump and part #s for the cylinder, hoses and fittings.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Jul 22, 2004, 12:42:55 PM
  Well the first write up I was reffered to was http://www.wildyoats.com/hydraulic_assist_tech.htm . I searched a lot on Pirate for the labor, not really the parts. Found some better pics of where to tap the box. The lower port is easy, it is into the large open portion of the box. The top port is a bit harder but still pretty easy. You have to make sure you catch the vain on top of the steering box without going through into the large opening otherwise you trash the box.
  After pulling the box off the frame you need to dissassemble the box. It took me about 15 mins. You aren't completely taking the box apart, just removing the sub assemblies from the box itself. Cool trick on removing the pitman (I've broken one rented puller on a different occasion from just trying to wrench down on it) Tighten the puller down on the arm, then smack it with a BFH a few times and the arm will pop loose.  :_order: After removing the pitman, you remove a total of 8 bolts and pull out the sub assemblies and you're ready for drilling.
  Everyone says to use a drill press but I was able to drill and tap it with the box laying on the tailgate of my chevy with My Dewalt. You use a 7/16th drill bit and a 1/4 NPT tap. Make sure the box is CLEAN. I wiped, tweezed, and blew air into the box for probably 20 mins before I got it all out. The top port gets metal shavings lodged into that vain so you need to take speacial care to clean that thoroughly. After you're all cleaned up, bolt it back together in reverse order.
  The pump mod is super easy. I'd heard people who went Hydro assist and said the Toy pump worked but couldn't keep up so the steering was really sluggish, almost scary on the road. The Mod I found that most people say is the safest is drilling out the restrictor plate. All you do is remove the high pressure hose from the pump, and then back out the large nut looking thing that the hose threaded into on the pump. That's the restrictor plate. Drill out the hole in the bottom to I believe 13/32 (I need to check on that number) and put everything back together. You don't even need to pull the pump off the truck. Another mod I've heard of is shimming the spring below the restrictor plate but I've heard of a few people that have said that caused the pumps to fry with the additional wear on them.
  I also added a spare tranny cooler that I had lying around so the system would stay cool and for the added fluid to the system. The cooler just ties in line between the gear box and the reservoir. Now the system is prepped for Hydro Assist.
  I did all my shopping @ surpluscenter.com. They had everything on the shelfand I got it in a matter of days. The ram I got is a Columbus 1.5x6x.75 Dual action cylinder(Dual action reffers to being aple to preassurize in either direction rather than just bleeding off) and was $78.50.PN 9-4410-06. I used 2 premade 1/4 x 36" single wire hydraulic lines that were $7.35 each. PN 916-1436.  2- 3/8 NPT to 1/4 NPT bushings because the ram has 3/8 ports and that is too much volume and would make this system too sluggish so you choke it down to 1/4 ASAP. These were $.45 each. PN 9-1938. And I used 4- 1/4" male/female 90 degree fitings. PN 9-1922. These were $1.95 each. You have to make sure to ask for hydraulic fittings otherwise you might get hose regular hose fittings and they won't seat and seal properly.

  That was the quick off the top of my head version so I probably glazed over some stuff. Any other questions just post them or if ya need a pic of something in particular, just let me know.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: kyle_22r on Jul 22, 2004, 02:03:55 PM
we had 2 forklift fork assemblies with a side to side hydraulic ram at school...my buddy cut the forks up and got to keep all the hydraulic junk for himself!  talk about a score :thumbs:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: toyman2 on Jul 26, 2004, 09:31:11 PM
what happens if you just drill out the restricter plate and keep the standerd high crossover steering will it wear out the pump,to much pressure??
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: 84runner on Jul 30, 2004, 03:47:45 PM
Sweet mod  :thumbs: lets see some more pics
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: mudguts on Aug 02, 2004, 11:48:41 PM
How did it do on Swamp?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: Island4Runner on Aug 03, 2004, 12:06:51 AM
 How deep do you drill the ports in the box??

Itis said that if you go to far you will ruin the box ..
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 06:08:26 PM
Kicked a$$ on Swamp. I drove a couple of miles on Rock Creek from the trailer to the trail head and it was sweet. Even with the tires @ 8 PSI all around, it turned like I had the front on jack stands with the tires off  (actually kinda scary  :eyebrow: ) On the trail it was sweet. No jerkyness(?) of the wheel. I was able to turn into, away from, whatever suited my needs.  :driving:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 06:13:46 PM
On porting the box, the lower port is cake. Run the bit through and don't worry about it and just trial and error as to how deep to run the tap to get a good hold when the hose was threaded in. On the upper, I ran the drill bit in until the bit bottomed in the vein in the box. If you go to where you just cut into the vein, there won't be enough threads to hold the hose properly. I drilled to the bottom of the vein AND NO FURTHER!!! This is the one that can ruin your box. If you go through the vein and all the way into the main cavity of the box, your box is ruined. After drilling, I bottomed the tap into the hole and it was perfect. Make sure on this one that you back the tap out a few times during tapping as chips will back up into the flutes of the tap and sometimes try to catch the tap and break it while you back out if not careful. I'll try to post a couple more pics.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: KYOTA on Aug 03, 2004, 06:39:41 PM
I drilled to the bottom of the vein AND NO FURTHER!!! This is the one that can ruin your box. If you go through the vein and all the way into the main cavity of the box, your box is ruined.

I've never drilled a box but it sounds worse than it actually would be to do because once you've drilled into the port you'd still have to drill thru a bunch to get into the main cavity of the box and ruin it. So sounds like drill a little, check, drill, keep checking, just take your time and it wouldnt be a big deal. This is something I want to do eventually.
 Fred thanks for the info, how about a closer pic of how your cylinder is mounted to the diff.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 07:49:24 PM
Yeahthat's basically how it is. I was nervous as he!! because any write up you see, everyone is like "Take extreme caution" "Make sure you don't go too far." Like I said, I used a hand drill, took my time, and it was a breeze.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 07:54:55 PM
You can see the vein that is raised above the rest of the box that the fitting goes into. It runs front to back on the box.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 07:55:42 PM
The screw driver is pointing to the restrictor plate on the pump. This is what you open up to increase flow.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 07:56:03 PM
I'm still going to add a gusset to the lower part of the mount but this is after Swamp and it obviously held up to being stuffed and turned numerous times.  :_order:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 07:56:19 PM
Little fuzzy but you can kind of see the mount to the tie rod. Pretty simple, just 2 pieces of 1/4.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 08:03:37 PM
Back side of the tie rod mount.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: KYOTA on Aug 03, 2004, 08:30:40 PM
Do you think there would be enough room for the fiitings if the cylinder was rotated 90* so the fittings were on the bottom? (so the mount on the diff could be built a little differently with vertical tabs) Thanks for the close ups.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 10:23:39 PM
There is clearance for it but I chose not to do it that way because of the front to back movement on the ram as the steering arms turn. There  would be a bit of movement and could lead to broken pieces due to the movement.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: mudguts on Aug 03, 2004, 10:33:34 PM
Nice work  :thumbs: I'm sure many will refer to this thread in the future. I know I will, I printed the pictures. :beer:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 03, 2004, 10:38:19 PM
Let me know if you need any more specific pics.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: KYOTA on Aug 04, 2004, 09:23:22 AM
There is clearance for it but I chose not to do it that way because of the front to back movement on the ram as the steering arms turn.

Yep, I spaced that one out. Did you have any capacity issues that have been mentioned on other setups, are you running just the stock resevoir with the modded restrictor? Thanks again, added to favorites :beerchug:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 04, 2004, 05:41:16 PM
My system holds just about 2 full quarts of fluid. I run a tranny cooler that I had lying around and I have plenty of capacity. No squealing from the pump as many others have had. From what I hear, the people that have the squealing problem, are not running a cooler/larger reservoir. My thoughts were more capacity plus more cooling will make the pump run at it's best. Took me all of 10 mins. to put the pump in line with the return line.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: KYOTA on Aug 04, 2004, 07:00:49 PM
I've got a cooler on mine already, now I just need to round up the other parts and go for it!
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: Brandon on Aug 06, 2004, 01:13:37 PM
A full on step by step how to for dummies would rock, I have a disassembled box on my workbench ready for rebuilt and tap. Thanks for sharing..
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 06, 2004, 08:55:45 PM
If I could get another box to take pics while I did it, I'd post up something like that. Any one in Fresno with a good box want to bring the brew (root) and we can have at it.  :flamer:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: stone4x4 on Aug 07, 2004, 06:14:55 AM
hell yea :chew:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: yotaboy79 on Aug 07, 2004, 10:23:08 AM
ive got axcess to a whole trailer full of hydrolic rams at school as soon as summers over im gunna be digging through that trailer oh and hoses too for freeeee~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banana: :hyper:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 07, 2004, 05:59:11 PM
Finally found the receipt with the part numbers from Surplus Center. Also added them into my makeshift write-up

Ram                      9-4410-06
Hoses                    916-1436
3/8-1/4 bushings     9-1938
1/4 90s                 9-1922
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: reklund5 on Aug 08, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
I tried to check out surpluscenter.com  and the website is no good.    Any other way to get a hold of these guys? :headscratch:

Ryan
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Aug 08, 2004, 12:30:28 PM
http://www.surpluscenter.com/ or try 1-800-488-3407
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Nov 28, 2004, 06:57:22 PM
Someone was looking for Hydro assist info?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: yotaboy79 on Nov 28, 2004, 07:21:04 PM
http://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp?UID=2004080819590582 here ya go :beerchug:
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: yotaboy79 on Nov 28, 2004, 07:24:45 PM
he beat me to it
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: BigMike on Nov 28, 2004, 08:19:22 PM
Hey Brendon,

I'm actually just now checking out this thread, very nice I must say! :bowdown:

My only question about doing power assist is its responce in the windy roads. Being my MR2 roots, I also push my truck to its limits (havn't found them yet though :nerv:) and I heard that the assist causes bad delays with turning and its really annoying and difficult to feel any feedback through the steering wheel, which is important in determining the neutral feel of the vehicle's over/under-steer..

But you did write that with a minor mod to the pump it drives almost unnoticable, also the ram is smaller than the "Big Company" kits (whatever) so I am just courious how that was with the responce with the ram. If you wiggle the wheel back and forth while driving straight, does it try to kick in and produce turning power a bit delayed, and then turn your truck all over the place, or does it still go straight and the steering wheel just feels like its disconnected :) :dunno:

Also if you are still willing to take some pics of a powersteering box, I've got a late model IFS box (with the breather) that I've already got set aside for my HySteer conversion, hopefully within the next couple of weeks. I can tear the box apart and bring it over and we can take some pics. Then I'll just plug up the new holes until I am ready to buy the ram and build it.

Let me know-
BigMike
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Nov 28, 2004, 09:23:25 PM
Yeah we could drill/tap your box no problem. On the steering, I've heard that if no mods are done to the box, the steering is sluggish and a little slow. The simple mod I did (5 mins.) makes the delay non-existent. For instance, I ran Swamp with some friends a couple of months ago. I parked the tow rig right where Rock Creek rd. takes off from Dinky Creek rd. I drove to the trail head off rock creek. It was a trip cruising down Rock Creek @ 30 and the wheel felt loose. I have driven the setup on the road a fair amount and I can say there is enough feedback that when coming out of a corner, you don't over steer, the wheel still centers a bit on it's own. The ram I used was a 1.5" ram. Most say that with an assist system to stay with a 1.5, the 1.75 rams tend to get a bit big and the added volume makes the system more sluggish.
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: 84runner on Mar 14, 2005, 03:27:25 PM
So can we get another update on this ? Hows it been treating you ? Anymore runs on this setup ?
Title: Re: What are these hoses on my steering dampner?
Post by: freds40 on Mar 14, 2005, 07:31:59 PM
Nothing as of yet. I ran it over the summer and beat the crap out of it. worked great and I never had a problem turning the wheels where I wanted to. That ram has since been sold as I need a longer stroke ram for the 60. Keep an eye on my buildup of Formula Toy #31 for an update. Everything else in the system will remain the same and the ram is the same make just a couple of inches longer so it's basically the same setup.  :driving:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Mar 14, 2005, 07:41:37 PM
BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: mudguts on Mar 14, 2005, 08:04:36 PM
BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'
I found a wrecked 92 pu 4x and can score the box for cheap. I'll get back with you in a few days.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: mr4x42u on Apr 14, 2005, 09:31:00 PM
BTW, still haven't found anyone who is willing to let me do their box and give a more detailed write up 'hint' 'hint'

I'd be more then happy to send you my box..I CAN SHIP IT WHEN EVER YOUR READY :crossed:

i HAVE ONE LOOSE THATS GOING TO BE USED JUST FOR THIS REASON..HYDRO :bowdown:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Apr 15, 2005, 09:29:15 PM
Got one from ToeCutter already. Just need the time to do it and take some pics. My daughter is turning 1 in 2 weeks and we're trying to get ready for the party (yardwork, getting rid of a bunch of Toy parts out back, etc...)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FRENCHBLUE72 on Apr 17, 2005, 06:53:40 AM
That look s like a pretty sweet azz set-up look s like I may upgrade when I go cross over..
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Apr 17, 2005, 07:46:00 AM
Finished tapping the box last night, just need to clean and reassemble. Took PLENTY of pictures this time.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: mudguts on Apr 17, 2005, 07:45:43 PM
I'll bring ya your twelver soon. Root Beer if me memory serves me correct  :turtle:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: TacoRunner on Apr 17, 2005, 08:29:24 PM
Ok lets see those pics.   So how much did you say you spent for this whole setup.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Apr 17, 2005, 09:29:57 PM
Complete with steel for the mounts it was @ the absolute most $125, closer to $100 though. Did a new thread covering just the box and pump mods. Check it out. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=10579.0
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Oct 15, 2005, 03:28:09 PM
Just orderd up all the parts. Update on the prices, everything still the same except the cylinder is now $82.95 - $118.99 total shipped.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Willy Mammoth on Oct 15, 2005, 06:59:44 PM
I know I like mine and you get used to the feel. I would not want to go back.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Oct 15, 2005, 08:06:20 PM
Just got done tapping my box usings Brendans other thread, piece of cake. Man you'd really have to being TRYING to drill thru the second wall into the large opening doing the top vein. Mod the pump tomorrow then just wait for parts.  8)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Oct 16, 2005, 08:06:27 AM
That's the thing, everyone tries to make it sound like you have a super thin wall into the main body and you have a %75 chance of going through it. From the couple I've done, I would have had been asleep onthe drill to not realize I had made it into the vein and should stop.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 19, 2005, 06:40:35 PM
one thing about the hidro.
If the ram is to long you will probably knock the steering arms off pretty easily
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Oct 19, 2005, 08:56:18 PM
8" rams are too long for Toy axles unless you have a stop set on the shaft to remove 2" of throw. 6" rams work perfect. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 20, 2005, 04:31:46 PM
8" rams are too long for Toy axles unless you have a stop set on the shaft to remove 2" of throw. 6" rams work perfect. :thumbs:

That sounds about right
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: GJC on Oct 21, 2005, 09:12:07 AM
I just used this thread to do my assist  :biggthumpup:  All parts to my door was $114 and change. What a world of differance in steering. Leaving tonight for the Hammers, Gonna be fun now that I can steer much easier(welded front and rear)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Oct 21, 2005, 09:05:25 PM
Glad it helped.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: GJC on Oct 26, 2005, 10:32:13 AM
Only ended up doing Claw Hammer and Aftershock, But the assist worked awsome  :beer:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Oct 26, 2005, 08:05:41 PM
  :rockingout: :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lostcreek21 on Jan 08, 2006, 04:23:55 PM
Hey great thread man.  I just got done tapping my box and hooked it up and it works great.  For some reason it feels like there is a loss of power when I drive now.  Is this normal? 

I also have a light sound that sounds like my system is out of fluid.  It only happens when I dirive though it's weird.  I've heard about getting a bigger resevoir and I think I'll try that. 

Another thing that was kinda weird was my restrictor.  It didn't look like the normal one, it was longer and the hole was something like 7/32" so I didn't drill it and it feels fine responsive wise.  Just letting everyone know how it went and how nice it is.  The only thing I'm worrying about is the power loss, does anyone have any ideas?  Thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 08, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
How many times did you bleed the system? I'm kind of thinking air in the system. And definately add volume to the system wether it's a larger reservoir, a large cooler, or both.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lostcreek21 on Jan 08, 2006, 09:22:45 PM
I started it up and kept filling the resevoir and bleeding with the little bleeder screw on the top of the box, I must have opened it 10 to 15 times until I had no more air.  I have a stock cooler that is just one loop of hard line near the radiator but I gotta put a bigger one in. 

The power loss is kinda weird though, it's like when I give it full throttle it feels like its holding back and then sometimes it catches.  i dunno I gotta figure it out
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 08, 2006, 09:23:03 PM
Hey great thread man.  I just got done tapping my box and hooked it up and it works great.  For some reason it feels like there is a loss of power when I drive now.  Is this normal? 

I also have a light sound that sounds like my system is out of fluid.  It only happens when I dirive though it's weird.  I've heard about getting a bigger resevoir and I think I'll try that. 

Another thing that was kinda weird was my restrictor.  It didn't look like the normal one, it was longer and the hole was something like 7/32" so I didn't drill it and it feels fine responsive wise.  Just letting everyone know how it went and how nice it is.  The only thing I'm worrying about is the power loss, does anyone have any ideas?  Thanks

heres some info on larger reservoirs from freds40's box and pump mod thread. cured my cavitation problem
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=10579.80

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 09, 2006, 06:03:03 AM
When you were bleeding the system, did you raise the front end of the truck and cycle the wheel side to side?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: prang11 on Jan 18, 2006, 10:54:43 PM
SWEET!!  Keeping it simple from what I see.  And cheap
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Jan 19, 2006, 02:44:42 PM
Just got my ram and stuff!!! :woohoo: Now I need to get off my a$$ and get it installed!!! :gap:   Thanks for posting this stuff Fred :beerchug:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Renaud33 on Jan 20, 2006, 01:12:41 PM
How thick are the tabs you guys are using to attach the ram to the tie rod and axle?

I was looking at using something like this.....
http://www.aa-mfg.com/pdshop/shop/item.asp?itemid=408
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Jan 20, 2006, 03:57:45 PM
I'm going to use 3/8" but only because I have a butt load of it!! :gap:  Otherwise I think 1/4" would be fine.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 20, 2006, 05:46:26 PM
1/8 might be a little small. Most all "kit" form assists come with 1/4. The ones I made were just out of scrap 1/4 and with an angle grinder and a drill, it'll take you maybe a half an hour to whip out some decent tabs. You might search AA a bit more, I know they have many awesome tabs.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 07:40:01 AM
OKAY guys, HELP ME OUT PLEASE!!!

I just called Surplus Center and ordered up everything I could find.  I asked a question like 3-5 posts up from this one and never got an answer and I dont know what I need to order to have EVERYTHING I need.

I am trying to get it right the 1st time so I am not half way into this only to need more stuff.

9-5357 -  1/2" NPT 6 GPM Hydro Cooler
9-4410-06  -  Columbus 1.5x6x.75 Dual action Hyro ram
9-1938 - 3/8" NPT to 1/4" NPT Bushings  (2 total)
9-1922 - 1/4" male/female 90* fittings  (4 total)
916-1436 - 1/4" X 36" Single wire hydro lines (2 total)

This is all I have so far but someone said due to the hydro cooler we may want to look for some 1/2" NPT 3/8 barbed nipples. I cant find the part number for that and SC couldnt find them in their system.  Does anyone have a part number for this????

Do I need an extra hydro line too since I am running a cooler??  As you can tell, I am a total freaking retard with this setup and need some assistance.

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE HELP ME<

Aaron
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 10:24:25 AM
Do you already have the cooler? if not just get one that has push on ends on the cooler itself. If you already have the cooler with the AN ends your going to have to find AN barbed push on fittings which are $$ especially if you get into using any angled fittings. Summit has a massive selection of AN fittings.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 10:28:54 AM
no I dont have a cooler already, I odered the one in my above post as was suggested in either this thread or the other one. 

DANG.  I wish someone had the part numbers for that cooler on what ends I will need.  Also, am I just over thinking this?  I am thinking I am gonna need more than 2 hydro hoses since I now am going to have a cooler.

 :smack:  :outtahere:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 10:32:21 AM
This is what I got.

Heres the specs.



• New HAYDEN. Oil cooler for hydraulic systems, engine or transmission coolers, etc. Copper tubes with aluminum fins. 3/4" diam. cooling tubes.
SPECIFICATIONS
• GPM 6
• PSI 300
• 350° F
• Ports 1/2" NPT
• Cooling fin area
12" x 3" x 4"
• Overall size 16 1/4" x 4" x 5 3/4"
• Shpg. 7 lbs.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 10:47:46 AM
you only need the 2 hyd lines, which will go from box to ram. The cooler needs to be plumbed inline with the system with the low pressure side from the box (most rearward fitting on box) going IN to the cooler and the OUT from the cooler going to the return to the reservoir. you will need extra hose to make the runs but you dont need high pressure hyd lines, just use  fuel hose etc. pics if ya need let me know  8)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 10:54:24 AM
flop!!!!!!!  I am so stupid.  OK, yeah, I could use the pics if you gots em.....maybe there is another retard like me who can use em too.  :nerv: 

Now I just need to know what fittings to get for the cooler and I will be set.  I talked to a tech from Surplus Center for over 15 minutes about the fittings I would need and we could not figure out what I was needing.  If I need AN fittings then I guess I can get them, just need to know which ones. 

Sorry guys, I know I am making this eleventybillion times harder than it should be.

 :smack:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 10:57:32 AM
hey man no problemo, better to do it right the first time and save the headache and $$. pics in a minute for ya. back in a few.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 11:25:02 AM
low pressure from box to cooler in red, return from cooler to reservoir in green
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 11:30:51 AM
Thanks man.  I appreciate your assistance on this. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 11:35:54 AM
heres the fittings for push on hose
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=an+fittings&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
Thanks man.  I appreciate your assistance on this. 

my hydro assistance?  :rofl2:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 11:40:21 AM
I just realized your cooler is 1/2", thats going to be big for the lines, you may want to get some 1/2 to 3/8" bushings match your hose size better.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 12:00:41 PM
my hydro assistance?  :rofl2:

 :rofl2:  :screwy:

Yeah, I will get on that Summit site and see if I can find some 1/2 to 3/8 reducer type stuff.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 12:36:35 PM
Well, I just got off the phone with Summit and they SAY they dont have anything that goes from 1/2" NPT to either 3/8 or 1/4" barb so I guess I will wait for my junk to come in and then go buy the fittings at a hardware store.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 23, 2006, 12:54:36 PM
You should be able to find 1/2-3/8 bushing and then run a 3/8 npt/3/8 barbed @ a hardware or even auto parts store. If you were local, I'd have just the kick a$$ hardware store to send ya to.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 01:31:54 PM
Is this basically what your talking about on the 1/2 to 3/8 bushing??

I can find these with no problems.

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If so, now I understand what your saying and then I would screw a barbed NPT connector into it.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 01:43:24 PM
 :yesnod:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 23, 2006, 01:46:56 PM
disregard my Summit link,thats for AN  :smack: .like  freds40 said you should be able to find NPT local easy enough.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 01:58:45 PM
Yeah, I can find it locally with no problems.  I just wanted to make sure I was getting the right stuff before I went to get it.

Good, I am set up now and will have all my hydro parts in 5 days.   :shocking:  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 23, 2006, 04:49:14 PM
Good. I expect it to be up and functioning in 6 days then.  :yupyup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 23, 2006, 05:41:10 PM
 :haha:  :rofl2:  :laugh:

Aint Hattnin!!  I got a ton-o-other stuff to do and........................................................heck, it wont even be here for 5 days.   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 25, 2006, 03:04:28 PM
Well, I got my hydro parts in today and I thought that since the hydro cooler that was suggested in this thread is what I ended up ordering that I would post a pic of it to show you guys how BIG it is.   :yikes:   I had no idea it was REALLY that big.  I guess I can mount it on the inside of my fender well?    :headscratch:   I havent been out to test fit it yet but I dont think it will fit in front of my radiator.

Anyway, The MARLIN CRAWLER sticker that is posted with it is the 12" sticker just for a width reference.

I measured it.  It is 1' 4" wide and 3" thick. 

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Willy Mammoth on Jan 25, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
WOW, I used a single row trans cooler from Autozone and it works fine. Doesn't take up much room either.

Still you are going to enjoy this, now get busy.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 25, 2006, 04:11:54 PM
Man that will definately up your systems capacity.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Willy Mammoth on Jan 25, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
Better get a bigger reservoir.  One about the size of a coffee can should do.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Jan 25, 2006, 04:49:44 PM
Better get a bigger reservoir. One about the size of a coffee can should do.


Coffee can?? I was thinking a five gallon paint bucket!!!! :yupyup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 25, 2006, 08:43:24 PM
Now, I had read somewhere that if you increase the size of your capacity by getting a cooler that you WOULDNT have to increase the reservior.   Is this not true?  I dont want to keep having to buy parts and buy parts and buy parts to get this right.  Should I send this thing back and just pick up some kind of a tranny cooler that is thinner and taller that can be squeezed in between my radiator and grill or just keep this. 

Its obvious I am a retard but I am serious, I dont want to have to keep screwin with this. 

If I have to I guess I can get a new res. or split mine and weld a piece of pipe in between to make it taller.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jan 25, 2006, 08:48:45 PM
it all depends, some can get away with the extra cap of the cooler alone but myself I had to ad a larger reservoir. Plumb it up, bleed it out and let the pump tell you if you need the bigger res. (whining) On the size of the cooler, the bigger the better, you mean to tell me you can build an entire truck but your going to let a fat little cooler stop you?  :greengrin:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 25, 2006, 08:57:54 PM
it all depends, some can get away with the extra cap of the cooler alone but myself I had to ad a larger reservoir. Plumb it up, bleed it out and let the pump tell you if you need the bigger res. (whining) On the size of the cooler, the bigger the better, you mean to tell me you can build an entire truck but your going to let a fat little cooler stop you?  :greengrin:

Ahhhh man, you just had to bust on me huh.   :rofl2:   I know, I was just thinkin, which is obviously dangerous for me.  I am gonna do some searching and try to pick up a spare res.  I am almost sure I will need it. I can always use a spare if I dont need it.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 25, 2006, 09:21:31 PM
Some do need the bigger res. on my setup, I got away with the large tranny cooler and nothing else. I'd guess that with the size of that thing, you won't need a larger res. but you never know.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yoderboy on Jan 26, 2006, 12:47:48 PM
 All the info I have seen on this mod says not to drill to deep into the top of the box, but nowhere I have looked said just how deep to drill. Just for future reference for others the bottom of the vain your after is no more than 5/8 to 11/16 deep, any deeper than that and you screwed up. If i had not used a smaller pilot bit I would have known I went to far, but when I used the smaller bit I drilled right pass the right side of the vain I was looking for and into the box. Oh well off to find another box to try again. :hammerhead:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Willy Mammoth on Jan 26, 2006, 02:31:05 PM
Can you drill the hole bigger into the first galley and then tap the smaller hole for a small Allen plug? You could JB weld the Allen plug in place then tap for the fitting?

So long as you didn't do any damage to the inner workings of the box you maybe allright.   :dunno:


  :think:  Next time drill with a bit one or two sizes smaller than the one you need to use for the tap.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yoderboy on Jan 26, 2006, 08:54:23 PM
I started with an 1/8" drill bit :thpst:, what happened was I that instead of hitting the center I driilled to the side of the vain and never saw it with the little bit. This was my first time and I thought I hit the right place, but when I drilled it out again with the 7/16" bit I found the vain I was looking for and it was to late. I would have to look again but I don't think there is enough room to put in a plug, do you think JB Weld or epoxy would work? I have heard that the pressure gets up to 900psi. with the restrictor drilled out. I know where there is two more boxes I can get cheap, maybe free. But I do hate messing that one up, I would be done by now.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 27, 2006, 03:37:04 PM
CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant find a single place to put this cooler.  IT IS HUGE!!!  I will most likely have to send it back or mount it under my hood on the bottom side of the hood.  It will not fit anywhere in the engine bay that I can find other than on the bottom side of the hood and it dang sure wont squeeze anywhere near the radiator.   :smack:  :headscratch:  :dunno:  :maddest:

Oh well, I will try a few more things when time lets me but for now I dont see how it will work.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: tj40ounce on Jan 27, 2006, 04:51:40 PM
Very informative.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Willy Mammoth on Jan 27, 2006, 04:54:19 PM
I started with an 1/8" drill bit :thpst:, what happened was I that instead of hitting the center I driilled to the side of the vain and never saw it with the little bit. This was my first time and I thought I hit the right place, but when I drilled it out again with the 7/16" bit I found the vain I was looking for and it was to late. I would have to look again but I don't think there is enough room to put in a plug, do you think JB Weld or epoxy would work? I have heard that the pressure gets up to 900psi. with the restrictor drilled out. I know where there is two more boxes I can get cheap, maybe free. But I do hate messing that one up, I would be done by now.

That's why you don't want to use a small bit. The bigger bit would have hit the hole and you would have seen it.

No JB Weld will not hold all by it's self. You would need a tapped plug.

Any questions about it, then get another box.


FAR, Just send that cooler back and get a trans cooler. Much easier to install and will work fine.

Mine works fine and I have a hydro winch too.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 28, 2006, 12:39:06 AM
CRAP, CRAP, CRAP, CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cant find a single place to put this cooler.  IT IS HUGE!!!  I will most likely have to send it back or mount it under my hood on the bottom side of the hood.  It will not fit anywhere in the engine bay that I can find other than on the bottom side of the hood and it dang sure wont squeeze anywhere near the radiator.   :smack:  :headscratch:  :dunno:  :maddest:

Oh well, I will try a few more things when time lets me but for now I dont see how it will work.



What about mounting it on your frame rail. Maybe even as far back as the t-case crossmember so it would be shielded by the skid plate? You'd add a ton more volume to the system, more than likely eliminating the need for a larger res, and you wouldn't clutter up your engine bay any more.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jan 28, 2006, 03:42:05 AM
yeah, I work 3rd shift and have been sitting here all night long thinking of where I could run this thing from and that is one of the options I was thinkin of.  I have to get a chance to get out to my rig and crawl under it and start test fitting it in a few other spots.  Its big enough, maybe I will just use it as my center console/arm rest and see how that works.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yoderboy on Feb 01, 2006, 08:20:35 PM
That's why you don't want to use a small bit. The bigger bit would have hit the hole and you would have seen it.

no :pokinit:, I think i figured that out last week.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Feb 02, 2006, 04:48:37 PM
Too bad about the miss. I should have posted the "rough depth" dimensions but with slight casting flash variations, it could still be off. Best bet is to measure to the middle of the port (sighting from the end) and measure there. Then go slow with the bit measureing every so often. Main thing is take your time and don't rush it. If you get to the depth you measured and don't have it yet, try the larger bit and see if you can catch it. Don't get discouraged, you'll get it done and when you do, it will have been worth it.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: RAZOR on Feb 02, 2006, 05:08:31 PM
Freaking sweet looking setup. :eyebrow:  Now a clearance question...  :_order: You guys with the marlin 4 or 5 inch lift hitting on the engine oil pan at all? or anything? :think:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Feb 02, 2006, 05:28:17 PM
I ran rears up front (axle roughly 3" forward) that gave about 3" of lift. I never had a problem with the ram making contact.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Feb 02, 2006, 08:17:14 PM
Freaking sweet looking setup. :eyebrow: Now a clearance question... :_order: You guys with the marlin 4 or 5 inch lift hitting on the engine oil pan at all? or anything? :think:


I was going to ask that.  My ram is about 4inches from my pan, as is my tie rod. I have about 3 inches of lift and also noticed my tie rod has contacted my pan a few times, most likely from jumping!!! :gap:  Just need to get the fittings to stop leaking and get out and test it and see if it is going to touch the pan. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: missouriman on Feb 03, 2006, 09:13:05 AM
are you guys worried about breaking something when the wheels hit the bump stops.
when I measured my tie rod travel in relation to the diff I come up with about 4.75 inches.

can you limit the travel on the cylinder listed above? maybe with a coller on the shaft? or would that just crush the end seal?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Feb 03, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
With my setup, I didn't even have my stops reinforced and I only slightly bent them (I think it had more to do with where I was wheeling than the ram) The 6" is perfect, the 8" will try to push your stops out.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Feb 03, 2006, 03:43:46 PM
I'm more worried about the ram hitting my pan.  But I'm going to remedy that here in about 1 hour :flamer:  :eyebrow:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yoderboy on Feb 20, 2006, 08:00:56 AM
 ok i have got another problem (leave it to me to make this difficult). i have ported the second box like the directions said, but when i started my truck the ram just comes out with no input from the steering wheel and to get it to go back i have to turn it back the other way to full lock before it goes back in. any ideas on what is going on here?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Feb 20, 2006, 11:08:11 AM
with the truck off the ground there is no reistance on the steering box so all the fluid works the box until the pitman arm stops, then if you continue to hold the wheel over the pressure will go into the ram moving it in/out. set the truck down and the ram will (should) work in conjuncton with the box  ;)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yoderboy on Feb 20, 2006, 06:49:50 PM
Thanks that could explain it. The ram is not mounted yet it, is sitting on a block in front of the axle right now. I am going to look at it for a while and try to get it to mount itself, if not i will get it on this weekend. later
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Renaud33 on Mar 13, 2006, 11:20:55 AM
Did any of you guys need to use a stop on the ram like the one 4RnrRick did on this Pirate thread?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=5214202
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Mar 13, 2006, 04:40:02 PM
no but thats a good idea, I'ma check my stroke out tomorrow  :suprised:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Mar 13, 2006, 08:00:18 PM
no but thats a good idea, I'ma check my stroke out tomorrow :suprised:


So many jokes......can't help it......trying to refrain from them.............that was a close one!!! :gap:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Mar 13, 2006, 11:20:52 PM
checking my stroke out tomorrow wont be any diffferent than any other day  :shhh:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Mar 14, 2006, 04:06:23 PM
checking my stroke out tomorrow wont be any diffferent than any other day :shhh:

 :rofl2:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: RAZOR on Mar 15, 2006, 10:27:01 AM
 :funny:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Renaud33 on Mar 15, 2006, 11:11:23 AM
no but thats a good idea, I'ma check my stroke out tomorrow  :suprised:
What did you find out?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Stump on Mar 22, 2006, 10:35:54 AM
You guys have made it sound easy, so I think I will try it. I will let you know if it works.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Renaud33 on Mar 31, 2006, 08:28:09 AM
Did any of you guys need to use a stop on the ram like the one 4RnrRick did on this Pirate thread?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=5214202

Anyone do this??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Mar 31, 2006, 07:45:42 PM
The required stroke of the ram can vary depending on the high steer arms used. One vendor might have the holes for the tie rod further out on the arm than another. It's pretty easy to add a stop to a ram. Ideally you want the ram to bottom when you reach the steering stops on the axle.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: AJ Johnson on Mar 31, 2006, 11:36:53 PM
One thing to add to this thread, when drilling the box, use a magnet, weather it be a pen type or whatever on the backside of where you are drilling to catch the chips, it will make cleanup go alot faster.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: bjwest on May 02, 2006, 07:33:13 PM
Went to set up mine and found out the upper mount bracket from the torque rod (I had cut off and kept during my high-steer install) is the same size as the ram used in freeds40's article. I just re-drilled it to 3/4in and welded the nut on the bottom. It looks real nice and it you cut it from your frame right at the frame it’s just about the right height as well.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: AJ Johnson on May 02, 2006, 10:37:05 PM
got pics?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: bjwest on May 03, 2006, 06:24:57 AM
soon
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: AJ Johnson on May 06, 2006, 10:15:49 PM
lets see some pics of your Ram mounting folks!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on May 08, 2006, 09:52:17 PM
O.K.,  Quick stupid arse question.........................................

I have hooked everything up for my hydro assist except the cooler.  I am just wanting to know for sure............  The line that comes up out of the box went out the front of the truck near the pass. side head light, turned to a hard line, then about 6-8 inches later, made a u-turn and headed back into the engine compartment and up to the reservoir.

Is that hard line where I cut to make the cooler fit in line??  I was thinking if that is it that I would just cut the hoop (u-turn) off  and attach the hoses there.  Will that work.

I have everything hooked up but not bled as I still need to pull the res. off and extend it as well as weld the ram mounts on.  Right now I just have the ram zip tied to the tie rod just to keep it from hanging loose.

Thanks

Aaron

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on May 10, 2006, 04:30:31 PM
That's a return line "cooler" Those are the lines to use but you can toss the metal part and just run those hoses (or extended replacement hoses) to your new cooler.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on May 11, 2006, 12:33:17 AM
cool, thanks for the reply.

My set up is complete..............well, minus getting the tabs welded on for the ram.  Once that is done, I just gotta fill it and bleed it.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: zman2day on Jun 11, 2006, 05:34:43 PM
Any updates?   I just got done with mine.  I got the ram,hoses, fittings from Surplus. Drilled and tapped my box per instructions, drilled out the restrictor on the pump, added a cooler, added 4inches to the resevior(using exhaust tube method.) Filled the system. I cycled the wheel back and forth while filling the resevoir till it was full.

Now it is increadably HARD to steer!!   I have cycled it back and forth dozens of times.  I can steer with it moving but not when stopped (with the engine running).   I dont have a bleeder screw on my steering box?

Can someone confirm which line on the box goes to which port on the ram.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FatAzzRunner on Jun 11, 2006, 08:31:41 PM
The drivers side port on the box goes to the drivers side port on the ram.

The passenger side port on TOP of the box goes to the passenger side port on the ram.

I dont know what to say other wise,  I STILL havent added any volume to my reservoir and mine steers amazingly.  I finally aired my tires back up today from 5 to 36 psi and it was UNREAL at how easy it steered.  I could steer mine with out problem with it PARKED and running with only 5 psi in the tires. 

are you 100% POSITIVE you got the top port cleaned out in the vein?  If you have ANY metal in there, it can mess it up.

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Jun 11, 2006, 09:01:28 PM
that or you still have air in the system, they are a mofo to bleed sometimes guess how I know :qtip:. THe cylinder may still have air in it. Unbolt the cylinder and let in hang as low as possible with the fittings up and bleed it again, this is about the best way to bleed it. You added to your res so your not sucking air there, its gotta be in the cylinder
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: zman2day on Jun 12, 2006, 09:50:37 AM
The drivers side port on the box goes to the drivers side port on the ram.

The passenger side port on TOP of the box goes to the passenger side port on the ram.

I dont know what to say other wise,  I STILL havent added any volume to my reservoir and mine steers amazingly.  I finally aired my tires back up today from 5 to 36 psi and it was UNREAL at how easy it steered.  I could steer mine with out problem with it PARKED and running with only 5 psi in the tires. 

are you 100% POSITIVE you got the top port cleaned out in the vein?  If you have ANY metal in there, it can mess it up.

Looks like my lines are correct then.

I really think I got everything out.. I drilled and tapped with my shop vac millimeters away from the bit, used brakeclean and vacccumed it out, used a blow tip on my compressor.  It "should" be clean....but..who knows..if I can solve this then it will be coming out.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: zman2day on Jun 12, 2006, 09:52:39 AM
that or you still have air in the system, they are a mofo to bleed sometimes guess how I know :qtip:. THe cylinder may still have air in it. Unbolt the cylinder and let in hang as low as possible with the fittings up and bleed it again, this is about the best way to bleed it. You added to your res so your not sucking air there, its gotta be in the cylinder

Im gonna go ahead and disconnect it and let it hang and try this.   Im thinkin its air too...but can figure where it could be. I'll post back with an update.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jun 12, 2006, 06:37:24 PM
Did you look in the top vein and see the other end? It is usually relatively difficult to get all the chips out of that vein. From the boxes I've done, I was never able to use air alone and blow all the chips out. I always had to fish out the majority. I'd also check the air. It can take a while to bleed the system. When you do it, are you filling, cycling, killing engine for 30 mins. or so to let it cool/settle, then repeating?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jun 12, 2006, 06:46:19 PM
Had another thought. If you have access to a couple of 1/4 NPT pipe plugs, you might try disconnecting and removing the ram, plug the 2 ports in your box, and see what the result is. This would tell you if you have an abundance of air in the ram still or if you have something mucked up in the box.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: zman2day on Jun 13, 2006, 05:09:16 AM
Did you look in the top vein and see the other end? It is usually relatively difficult to get all the chips out of that vein. From the boxes I've done, I was never able to use air alone and blow all the chips out. I always had to fish out the majority. I'd also check the air. It can take a while to bleed the system. When you do it, are you filling, cycling, killing engine for 30 mins. or so to let it cool/settle, then repeating?


I'm pretty confident I got everything out but who knows.   I was using that method of bleeding.  My fluid is no longer frothy at all in the reservoir. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 10, 2006, 01:07:06 PM
I have a problem, when I pulled the piston out of the ifs box, the teflon ring at the bottom was ripped, does anyone know where to get one, or know the part # so I can get one at the toy stealership?   
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Sep 10, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
I have a problem, when I pulled the piston out of the ifs box, the teflon ring at the bottom was ripped, does anyone know where to get one, or know the part # so I can get one at the toy stealership?   


I know the dealer sells a whole seal kit. Not sure if you can get just the teflon seal or not.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 10, 2006, 02:49:06 PM

I know the dealer sells a whole seal kit. Not sure if you can get just the teflon seal or not.
wonder how much they are gonna burn me for that?

Also I wonder if there is a teflon ring in a push pull steering box that would fit the piston for the ifs box?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: MR_DIY on Sep 10, 2006, 06:18:04 PM
this thread is cool. glad it blew up lately as hydro assist is up soon for me... keep breaking it down to retard level so I can understand 100% of what I need  :yupyup:  :help:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 12, 2006, 04:33:24 PM
Ive called the stealership, and they discontinued the part that i need. looks like im gonna have to find another ifs box... so the lesson is dont break the teflon ring, or end up with a box that has the ring broken in it
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Sep 12, 2006, 05:00:44 PM
Did they say how long ago the discontinued it? Was it the whole kit or just the ring? I just bought a seal kit not to long ago.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 12, 2006, 05:11:36 PM
Did they say how long ago the discontinued it? Was it the whole kit or just the ring? I just bought a seal kit not to long ago.
they didnt say when, they didnt even offer me a kit, they offered me the piston assy. and they said that they didnt even have that... where did you get the seal kit, and wht part # is it?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Sep 12, 2006, 05:18:04 PM
Ok, I just called the dealership down here( I know the guy in parts :gap:) This is the part # for the kit 04445-35080. Price is , are you ready, $119.95 :yikes: This is for an 86, though I think they are all the same. :dunno: He said he doesn't know if the teflon seal is in it or not, but I remember one being in mine, cuz thats why I bought it. I also don't remmber paying that much either. Let try and find the bag that my kit came in and get that PN. too.  :beer:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Sep 12, 2006, 05:18:41 PM
Oh he also said there are 22 of those kits in the nation, so getting one will be easy.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Sep 12, 2006, 05:27:06 PM
they didnt say when, they didnt even offer me a kit, they offered me the piston assy. and they said that they didnt even have that... where did you get the seal kit, and wht part # is it?

same part # thats in the pic that Dave (OOPS) gave you in the thread you started on Pirate
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508309
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 12, 2006, 05:35:40 PM
same part # thats in the pic that Dave (OOPS) gave you in the thread you started on Pirate
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508309
appreciate it, for some reason i cant open the pbb on my home pc (long story about dsl issues not reconizing (sp) the dns addy of the pbb)  but ill check it out
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Sep 12, 2006, 05:45:42 PM
http://www.prosteering.com/k_toyota_truck.htm
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: The Stig on Sep 13, 2006, 04:29:55 AM
thanks kyota  :beer: :beer: to ya
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: YO38 on Sep 26, 2006, 08:37:46 AM
awsome thread  :drooling: I'm going to order my parts this week.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: beafire on Sep 30, 2006, 05:03:25 AM
Thanks nice write up!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotadork83 on Oct 11, 2006, 08:58:13 AM
http://www.prosteering.com/k_toyota_truck.htm
i wish i had found this place when i did mine i had to pay almost $200 from the dealer ship.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Gittinit on Oct 20, 2006, 08:45:01 PM
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 95Toyota on Oct 20, 2006, 10:02:49 PM
I dont know if any of you know this. But Trail Gear has a Full Ram assist kit, which comes with the ram, and all of the brackets and bolts to mount it to the toyota axle, and also has the Hydro lines, and it only costs $199.. Not bad if you ask me, No more searching for the right ram, or trying to fab your own brackets..
All you need is a taped box, or tap your own.. and a high steer kit which has a 1.25" tie rod..  Ive seen this kit and driven with one, and it makes 40's seem like there not even there..

http://www.trail-gear.com/hydro-steering

Chris
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Gittinit on Oct 20, 2006, 10:32:37 PM
I dont know if any of you know this. But Trail Gear has a Full Ram assist kit, which comes with the ram, and all of the brackets and bolts to mount it to the toyota axle, and also has the Hydro lines, and it only costs $199.. Not bad if you ask me, No more searching for the right ram, or trying to fab your own brackets..
All you need is a taped box, or tap your own.. and a high steer kit which has a 1.25" tie rod..  Ive seen this kit and driven with one, and it makes 40's seem like there not even there..

http://www.trail-gear.com/hydro-steering

Chris




199$ is alot of money compared to what these guys are doins it for.  you dont have to do any searching its all figured out allready all ya have to do is read up. The trail gear kit is an easy order and install kit ,but I will save my money for sommin else. :)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: snowshoebrue on Oct 20, 2006, 10:44:44 PM
fabbing brackets isn't hard and doesn't take much time.  plus 199 is still $80 more than what i paid for mine doing it like how this thread says
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 03, 2006, 10:05:36 PM
were are you guys mounting your cooler at? got any pics
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FIREBALL on Dec 03, 2006, 10:10:59 PM
Not to mention, who wants to give any money to T.G.

I didn't run cooler on mine. But I had a 4.3, so I was running a chevy pump to a yota box. Didn't seem to have any prob with heat, but I also didn't have a huge amount of trail time on it either.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 03, 2006, 10:35:41 PM
i was thinking about running a chev pump on my toy motor but i wonder if it would even be worth the time and effort to try and mount a chev pump?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Dec 04, 2006, 10:11:42 AM
were are you guys mounting your cooler at? got any pics

 B&M trans cooler on mine mounted in front of the radiator
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: alwayzbroken on Dec 04, 2006, 10:30:09 AM
Is everybody running the same Surplus Center ram? That is the one I have and my hydro assist sucks. I don't know if it is cuz my front diff is welded but I have to strong arm the steering wheel still. I have wheeled it for a whole year. I blew the internals of my first box up then tapped another and that performed exactly as the first. I figured it would have done more for me  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Dec 04, 2006, 05:40:22 PM
Mine is a little stiffer than my friends but still alot easier than stock. I ran into a problem last trip out, I had to rev the motor to about 2000 to get it to turn easier, at idle in dirt it was hard hell. I replaced the high pressure fitting that I drilled out with a stock one and now it works great. :dunno: I can turn the wheels at idle on concrete with no air pressure with ease.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: alwayzbroken on Dec 04, 2006, 05:45:41 PM
I tried drilling my restrictor out and the pump squeals terribly even with my triple sized resovoir. I replaced the pump with a different one and I got the same squealing. I run a stock restrictor now.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Dec 04, 2006, 06:51:20 PM
Mine was doing that too.  I have about 2 1/2 qts of fluid in the whole system too. :yikes:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 05, 2006, 12:51:14 PM

from what i have read you need to run a cooler... more capacity.. i got one from the surplus but the way the mounts are made seams like it might be a pain to mount? anyone running the same cooler with pics :confused:

Mine was doing that too.  I have about 2 1/2 qts of fluid in the whole system too.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: alwayzbroken on Dec 05, 2006, 12:54:52 PM
from what i have read you need to run a cooler... more capacity..  :confused:

It squealed when it was cold and instantly on startup. Any thing above 1200 rpm the pump squealed bloody murder. I have a huge freakin res so I don't think that is the problem.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Dec 05, 2006, 01:17:49 PM
same problem with the drilled out restrictor the pum squeled. I have a huge capasitor from a man or mersedes bens trailer, and tryed a lot of different things... I changed the pump, I changed the seals in the pump my next choise is to change the seals in the ifs box and after that ???? I even removed some parts from a setup I mate for a friend of mine. but nothing.  I suggest changing the box even if it doesnīt leak.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Dec 05, 2006, 03:04:24 PM
from what i have read you need to run a cooler... more capacity.. i got one from the surplus but the way the mounts are made seams like it might be a pain to mount? anyone running the same cooler with pics :confused:


I'm running a huge cooler, almost as big as the radiator it self!! :gap:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: MR_DIY on Dec 05, 2006, 03:41:48 PM
I'm waiting on my trailgear kit to get here. no headache except for tapping my box (probably rebuild as I do it)... we'll see if pump problems arise  :crossed:

nice thread though
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 05, 2006, 09:11:56 PM
ya mine won't be mounted until i get my hysteer... running out of money hopefully i will be wheeling my X-mas :yupyup:
I'm running a huge cooler, almost as big as the radiator it self!! :gap:

lets see a pic of that mounted... what kind of cooler is it? and how much fluid does your system hold
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Dec 06, 2006, 02:00:49 PM
ya mine won't be mounted until i get my hysteer... running out of money hopefully i will be wheeling my X-mas :yupyup:
lets see a pic of that mounted... what kind of cooler is it? and how much fluid does your system hold


I'll try and get a pic today, it along with the bigger resivoir holds about 2 1/2 qts.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Brokenparts on Dec 20, 2006, 03:54:08 PM
alot of time squealing has to do more with the power steering pump seals/pump getting weak more than anything.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Brokenparts on Dec 20, 2006, 03:55:44 PM
anyone ever tapped a fj-60 box?  I've got one here that I'm about ready to tap but I'm looking to see if anyone knows if the locations from the IFS to the fj60 box are similar?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: alwayzbroken on Dec 21, 2006, 12:56:10 AM
alot of time squealing has to do more with the power steering pump seals/pump getting weak more than anything.

I tried two different style pumps and both squealed.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FATTshack on Dec 21, 2006, 08:13:14 AM
I installed my TG hyro assist, works great and no probs so far, please don't hate me for getting it from were I did..LOL
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 24, 2006, 02:13:44 PM
I installed my TG hyro assist, works great and no probs so far, please don't hate me for getting it from were I did..LOL
are you running a cooler or an over sized res?

i got the over sized cooler from surplus but i haven't put any fittings on it yet anyone else running this cooler?
and i am not sure what fittings i need for the res?? :confused:

thanks

james
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Dec 24, 2006, 02:25:28 PM


i got the over sized cooler from surplus but i haven't put any fittings on it yet anyone else running this cooler?
and i am not sure what fittings i need for the res?? :confused:

thanks

james
what kind of res is it? the cooler should be 1/2 inch NPT
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FATTshack on Dec 24, 2006, 03:32:47 PM
no cooler or res, yet. Im using Valvoline synthetic fluid, and have not noticed any problems yet. I do have a question though. I have an MC steering stabilizer installed. do I still need it with the Hydro assist setup?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Dec 24, 2006, 03:40:53 PM
I have an MC steering stabilizer installed. do I still need it with the Hydro assist setup?
no
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Dec 24, 2006, 04:18:27 PM
are you running a cooler or an over sized res?

i got the over sized cooler from surplus but i haven't put any fittings on it yet anyone else running this cooler?
and i am not sure what fittings i need for the res?? :confused:

thanks

james

 looks like you're running the same reservoir as mine. They are AN fittings, bottom is 10AN and side is 6AN and will cost more than the res did  :talkingn: I mounted my res. in the stock location with some modification to fit and had to use a 90* out the bottom and for that fitting alone it was $25 IIRC. If you can get away with mounting it somewhere and use straight fittings it will be cheaper. Summit or Jegs for the fittings. I can dig thru reciepts and get you part #s if you need
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Dec 24, 2006, 04:36:40 PM
heres the part #s for the reservoir and AN fittings to fit this reservoir


**Speedway motors PS reservoir P/N 91032876-STD-10**

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/xq/aspx/display_id.2062/qx/Product.htm

**AN fittings for this reservoir from Summit**

EAR-700167ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=+115&searchinresults=false&Ntt=ear700167erl

EAR-709111ERL
http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntt=ear709111erl&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=700+115
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 24, 2006, 06:54:24 PM
looks like you're running the same reservoir as mine. They are AN fittings, bottom is 10AN and side is 6AN and will cost more than the res did  :talkingn: I mounted my res. in the stock location with some modification to fit and had to use a 90* out the bottom and for that fitting alone it was $25 IIRC. If you can get away with mounting it somewhere and use straight fittings it will be cheaper. Summit or Jegs for the fittings. I can dig thru reciepts and get you part #s if you need

i cut my front clip off so mounting it is no problem... so you are just getting a threaded fitting with a male end and using a hose clamp?? thanks for the info and links
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Dec 24, 2006, 10:33:58 PM
ya those fittings I posted are push on AN fittings. your suppose to use their special hose but the fittings  are barbed and the stock hoses fit well, havent had a problem. You could drop some  $$ and get steel braided lines and use the compression fittings too.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: dov'd85 on Dec 25, 2006, 05:39:10 PM
i ordered two AN fittings i got two straight ones i can't believe how much more the 90 degree's cost... got my ram mounted and my hydro lines ran now i just need to find a place for this HUGE cooler :flamer: and i am waiting on my fittings...
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Yota4life on Jan 07, 2007, 12:53:30 PM
I installed my TG hyro assist, works great and no probs so far, please don't hate me for getting it from were I did..LOL

How well does it drive on the road?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: FATTshack on Jan 07, 2007, 06:01:28 PM
Drives good on the road, I drove it for abot 30 miles today. Only thing I noticed is that it pulled a little, but thats not related. at slow speeds the reaction time is a bit slow. not a big deal though.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: boggerunner on Jan 10, 2007, 10:40:47 PM
i love this buildup thread, im definantly gonna do this setup on my 79, thanks for all the good info
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Gittinit on Feb 16, 2007, 07:09:45 AM
Just to clearify the holes in the steering box are tapped to 1/4 pipe thread, so the lines would be sufficient at 1/4 also right? I had a friend at work make me up a set of hydrolic lines at work with 1/4 fittings and 1/4 hose. Please comfirm that I did good!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Gittinit on Feb 16, 2007, 08:16:32 AM
Nevermind I found it.  :smack: I did good!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: intheworks on Mar 16, 2007, 08:42:29 AM
thats awesome
Title: boneyard tranny cooler and large reservoir
Post by: leorn on Mar 17, 2007, 07:47:43 PM
if you want bone yard stuff:
late 70s to early 80s ford trucks, vans etc had a few different tranny coolers to choose from that were nice and skinny.  they also have push on lines.  the one i got slid right in

Also got a reservoir out of a 5 series bmw that is roughly 3 times the size of a stocker.  same size lines as well.

$5 for the reservoir.  $10 for the cooler :cool:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Weak-Link on Apr 07, 2007, 08:05:59 PM
you ready to do a write up on the FJ60 box?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Haggar on Jun 23, 2007, 07:42:57 AM
Ordering parts now :)

One things when you are are ordering, grab a couple 1/4" pipe plugs, and an extra hose, for trail fixes, in case you rip a line, you can repair it, or at least plug the box.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Oct 06, 2007, 08:50:30 AM
Has any one done this without hi-steer?  I havent got the $400 for hi steer yet. The stock push pull hasn't given me too much reason to change it yet. Is the swing on the stock steering the same throw? and, Where would you drill? I think it would be fairly easy to modafy the stabalizer brackets to acomodate the ram. and I could re-use it when I get around to doing rear springs in the front and cross over.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 06, 2007, 02:55:35 PM
I had the push pull system with ram... basicly the same consept. with drilling and all...

but hereīs my question. there is one bolt  on top of the lit (the one with the nut and the philips screw driver groove)  that bolt seams like it is supposed to adjust something...   what does that bolt do?????(https://board.marlincrawler.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fboard.marlincrawler.com%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D4699.0%3Battach%3D53133%3Bimage&hash=4f6378180bddad0a0692cb3af317235f)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: notajeep on Oct 06, 2007, 04:16:27 PM
It takes up the wear in the box.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 06, 2007, 04:32:56 PM
ok. and howīs that adjusted... ? do I just tighten it like thereīs no tomorrow or is there some sweet spot???
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: notajeep on Oct 06, 2007, 05:30:19 PM
loosen up the nut a little. Hold the nut still with a wrench and use a screw driver to tighten the screw. then tighten the nut back up. You are basically moving the gears closer togeather.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Oct 06, 2007, 07:32:06 PM
can I see some pics of a hydro'd push pull set up/ showing where to  drill? Was the throw the same length?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 07, 2007, 02:25:39 AM
I was running it a few years back... on a truck that I bought with the ram installed.I am currently running the ifs setup but basicly I am running it with an fj60 steering machine. the only thing I have different is that I drilled the top lit next to the nut... (on the push and pull setup if I remember it correctly it was the same deal. basicly itīs the same idea.

I have it all apart now (changing itīs seals, and I will take some pics for show and tell. ;)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Oct 07, 2007, 04:09:50 PM
cool, thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: subliminaltrips on Oct 08, 2007, 04:45:33 PM
I'm still going to add a gusset to the lower part of the mount but this is after Swamp and it obviously held up to being stuffed and turned numerous times.  :_order:
fred,
what did you use for the bolts? what size? did you have to use bushings  or do the bolts fit tight? i was concerned about it clunking around.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: royota85r on Oct 18, 2007, 03:30:33 PM
Thanks for the part numbers. I've had my spare box drilled for probably 3 months now and was unable to find the info for length of travel on the ram. the part #'s you provided are awsome thanks.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: subliminaltrips on Oct 18, 2007, 03:43:38 PM
i found this
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html

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good price and it will allow you to adjust your tow alot easier.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Oct 19, 2007, 01:14:15 PM
Are the 3 foot lines everyone is ordering from surpluscenter.com long enough??  Also, does the bottom of the reservoir need to be higher than the power steering pump??  I think I'm going to have a hard time finding a place to put a taller reservoir under the hood without the hood hitting the reservoir. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Oct 19, 2007, 01:54:29 PM
i found this
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html

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good price and it will allow you to adjust your tow alot easier.
that is for a 1.5 inch OD tube...most Hysteer set ups are 1.25 like marlins. Are you sleeving the tie rod to make this fit? Ballistic says they are coming out with a bunch of new sizes soon, including 1.25"


Also, does the bottom of the reservoir need to be higher than the power steering pump??  I think I'm going to have a hard time finding a place to put a taller reservoir under the hood without the hood hitting the reservoir. 
  Can you use the stock location for the reservoir? I just welded 2 reservoirs together and it fits fine>>>

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: subliminaltrips on Oct 19, 2007, 11:21:04 PM
oh i see. ill have to look into that. ill give them a call.



i started on mine tonight, still gotta get the stuff from surplus center but i got my resivoir from speedway motors
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/2062,177_Power-Steering-Reservoir-Tanks.html?itemNo=91032876

  i got the pump from a buddy for free because he got the trail gear kit and the pulley kept comming off, three times  :nerv:. i just put a bolt in the end so it wouldnt pop off, something tg should have done when they designed it. its really a tc style pump that you can get from psc. i got the hoses from psc as well as the bracket. it uses a napa belt #9440.

heres the link to psc
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/index.php?cPath=127_85

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Oct 20, 2007, 08:02:05 PM

  i got the pump from a buddy for free because he got the trail gear kit and the pulley kept comming off, three times  :nerv:. i just put a bolt in the end so it wouldnt pop off, something tg should have done when they designed it.


I have heard of this problem too with the TG product but dont know a whole lot about it.....is there a concern with the bolt backing out?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Oct 21, 2007, 10:29:44 AM
Can you use the stock location for the reservoir? I just welded 2 reservoirs together and it fits fine

I had to cut my inner fender out for my tall shock hoops.  I was able to bolt one side in a set of holes but had to weld the mount to the top of the shock hoop.

Can you mount the reservoir too low??  Does it have to be higher than the PS pump?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 21, 2007, 01:11:19 PM
I belive so ...  :inthedark:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Oct 21, 2007, 01:17:39 PM
yes it does have to be higher....the bottom of the reservoir is supposed to be above any other parts of the system or it will suck air
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: subliminaltrips on Oct 21, 2007, 01:36:49 PM
I have heard of this problem too with the TG product but dont know a whole lot about it.....is there a concern with the bolt backing out?

no the pulleys spin clockwise as does the bolt threads. the bolt seems to be the way to go. psc sells a steel pulley  and if i were to buy a pump id buy theres. tg's pump is ok but the pulley issue is a lack of testing. if an aluminum pulley is on a steel shaft its going to expand 3x more than the steel and bye bye press fit and bye bye pulley. what i dont get is why they dont at least throw a bolt into the kit . a woodruff key would be nice! anyways enough of the bashing.


i built my hydro setup for just over 300 bux going through psc and sourcing my own stuff with very little work. other "kits" would run 600 bux.


i did the same thing with my mount on the shock hoops.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Oct 22, 2007, 07:27:34 AM
can I see some pics of a hydro'd push pull set up/ showing where to  drill? Was the throw the same length?
Has any one done this without hi-steer?  I havent got the $400 for hi steer yet. The stock push pull hasn't given me too much reason to change it yet. Is the swing on the stock steering the same throw? and, Where would you drill? I think it would be fairly easy to modafy the stabalizer brackets to acomodate the ram. and I could re-use it when I get around to doing rear springs in the front and cross over.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Oct 22, 2007, 01:50:54 PM
I'm sorry I was gonna dig up that old box and take some pics of it. But I didn't find it. I guess I gave it to someone or threw it in the container. 
But basically the box is built on the same theory,  I guess you drill the same places, there are a couple places I have found on the internet about it, I guess you just have to google it.

I guess all I can say is good luck.

but on the other hand, I managed to rebuild my land cruiser box, and I tested it before I hooked up the steering bar, (only the ram lines connected to the housing)  and to my surprise, if I turn the box fully to one end the ram turns the wheels standing on the garage floor on 39,5 trxxus,  the truck was kinda scary to drive at first, but damn I looooove it now.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ryno1 on Nov 04, 2007, 10:30:39 PM
Ok, stupid newbie question: Has anyone had a problem with the mounting for the ram not being a heim joint that pivots?  I'm thinking it would need to pivot, but maybe I'm wrong, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Thomas P on Nov 06, 2007, 06:58:10 AM
everyone should put together a parts list with all the parts #'s, prices, and stores they got there stuff from and put the total at the bottom so everyone can see what the cheapest setup was, and it would make it easier for the next guy to put one together........ just a thought  :idea:  :dunno:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Tice on Nov 06, 2007, 08:46:05 PM
Ok, stupid newbie question: Has anyone had a problem with the mounting for the ram not being a heim joint that pivots?  I'm thinking it would need to pivot, but maybe I'm wrong, any thoughts?

It does need to pivot on both ends. Though you don't need a hiem, I just used bolt's and nylon lock nuts. Just didn't tighten them real tight.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: chevihemi on Feb 18, 2008, 12:08:38 PM
I have the older style of All-Pro Low steer and want to use this ram with it.  Does the ram look like I could cut the mount off the fixed end and rotate in 90* so the lines point up instead of front/back as I dont think i have enough room for that configuration.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: alwayzbroken on Feb 19, 2008, 06:51:33 PM
ok. and howīs that adjusted... ? do I just tighten it like thereīs no tomorrow or is there some sweet spot???

This is an old post but in case somebody sees this and thinks about taking the slack out of the steering gear while they are messing around with hyrdro mods, BEWARE, overtightening the adjusting nut can create binding in the steering gear and can cause the steering to lock unexpectedly cause the steering to jam at any given moment. In other words, unless you know what you are doing it can be very dangerous to mess with that nut. Only make slight adjustments. This nut is not meant to make a worn box good again, it only takes out minimal slack.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Feb 20, 2008, 02:16:26 PM
thank you finally  ;) I found out tho when I tightened it that you can feal how much, with moving the box and screwing with the bolt.... when I rebuilted my box I was impressed with the way the output shaft is sealed, with the rubber o-ring, the teflon ring and probably some other parts..... any way... itīs a long time ago. my memmory isnīt all that good.....
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: robrub00 on Feb 25, 2008, 10:59:23 PM
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=138_176_185&products_id=512
  im looking at this pump.  i rodered the ram from surplus centers.  anyone know what pully i should egt from pcs

is it this one?
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=157_50&products_id=262
 or this
http://www.pscmotorsports.com/product_info.php?cPath=157_50&products_id=265
  i thinmk it would be the 2nd one but not sure??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: robrub00 on Mar 08, 2008, 09:00:22 AM
how do i route the lines.  i just got my package from surpluscenter  and i got a tc pump from autozone for 64 dollers.  i need i think 1 fitting though!!! does this look right?

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Mar 09, 2008, 04:50:46 PM
Nope!  From the pump it will go into the gear box. From the gearbox you will have a factory line back to the cooler, and then to the reservoir. The 2 ports you will add to the box go to either side of the ram for steering.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Mar 10, 2008, 07:05:49 AM
dont quote me....but I think there is a diagram on this thread somewhere...im just too lazy too look for it
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on May 26, 2008, 12:22:01 PM
Just FYI, Ballistic Fab just came out with 1.25" clamps for your tie rod mount
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http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on May 27, 2008, 10:21:27 AM
Just FYI, Ballistic Fab just came out with 1.25" clamps for your tie rod mount
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http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html

Good find!!  I think I'll order one up.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Scarface06 on May 28, 2008, 08:26:43 PM
Well, I'm ready to order all the stuff from Surplus Center.  Is there anything different I should do?  Is there anything that you guys regret doing??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ulfr on Aug 08, 2008, 06:15:41 AM
G'day folks. First of all I'd like to thank for all the useful information in this thread that's helped me alot!

Anywho, I have a problem with my current hydro-assist setup and I was wondering if any of you have had this situation.

I have an '93 TD 4Runner with a steering gear from the '88 Land cruiser 70.
I recently installed a hydro-assist jack, and in the first had no problems with it, save that I felt it too hard to turn the wheel even tho I had the ram, but I believed (at that time) that it was because I didn't increased the flow and pressure on the steering pump.

Soon after the ram was installed I noticed a leak around all the engine room, it was ATF fluid. I thougth my pump seals were givin up on me so I didn't thought 'bout it until I'd get the spare parts. Not so long after that I noticed my ram wasn't working any longer either...
I thought maybe I'd need to enlarge the reservor.

Then I started tearing the pump apart, but noticed that the leakage was from the reservor, or around that area. Replaced all of the hoses in the steering hydro and as well, enlarged the reservor. I increased the flow and the pressure abit too. Checked the steering gear for leakage, and as well checked if the ram was leaking or not. Everything turned to be okay.

Then yesterday's eve' I started bleedin' the system, but noticed that if I turn right, the ATF fluid starts spillin' out of my reservor, but if I turn left, the level lowers and it's almost empty, thought it would just need more bleedin' but if I start the engine, the same happens, there also seems to be air in the fluid, but as I keep bleedin' the system, the more comes up from the reservor when I turn right!
When I shut the engine off, things go wild and the reservor spills up almost 1/4 of a gallon from the reservor.

Also, the ram is not workin' a single bit.
But there seems to be comin' fluid out of the steering gear to the jack, just not enough pressure. Air in the system I'd assume. BUT I've already drained air from the ram, and think I got most of the air out of the lines to the ram.

Could it be that I had put the high pressure line in the wrong hole of the steering gear? I refered to my Max Ellery's repair manual 'bout Land Cruisers, includin' 70 series, so I guess it must be correct!

Or what I think that's more likely, something is gone bad in the steering gear it self! Like leakin' between vains?
How far inside is it supposed to be drilled in the "D" of TOYDA? Does anyone know? This box was tapped at a professional workshop, but I'm startin' to think they might have messed things up... But that again, wouldn't explain why the ram worked for the first time I tested it!
Or maybe this is a very simple problem that I just can't see the true solution for... Any help is apreciated.


I'm sorry for the bad english and hard-to-understand writeup.. I'm tired and pissed off because of this neverending story of bad-steering! :P

With best regards, Ulfr.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Aug 08, 2008, 07:01:13 AM
How did you bleed the ram and lines? Did you let them hang down?

Did you drill the pump restrictor out?

Are you running a larger reservoir?

Are you running a fluid cooler?

Do you have a newer style box with the bleeder screw on top of the box?


To me it sounds like there is still air in the system.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ulfr on Aug 08, 2008, 08:19:57 AM
How did you bleed the ram and lines? Did you let them hang down?

Did you drill the pump restrictor out?

Are you running a larger reservoir?

Are you running a fluid cooler?

Do you have a newer style box with the bleeder screw on top of the box?


To me it sounds like there is still air in the system.

I filled the ram with ATF fluid, then let the lines hang upside until there was abit of fluid comin' through, then closed the line (one at a time) with my finger until there was abit of pressure and tried letting the fluid out, then I halfway attached 'em to the ram and let the fluid go down abit, and finally tightened 'em when I thought most of the air was out. Maybe I'm doin' something wrong there.

Yes, I drilled the restrictor out. (actually punched the middle out of the bushing when I was tryin' to get it out) so that shouldn't  be a problem.
Also increased the pressure alittle bit (removed one shim)

And yes, I'm running a larger reservor. But the extra reservor is next to my cooler, below the original fluid reservor. Maybe that could be a problem?

Fluid cooler, well, not really a cooler but something in that direction, my cooler isn't here yet but I "arranged" the pipes so it would be easy to fit it next time when I have time for it.

I have the adjust screw on top of the box, but if I loosen the nut, no fluid ever comes out... That kinda freaks me abit out because I think maybe there's something wrong with the box.
But I don't have the "brake bleeder bolt" if you are talkin' 'bout that, like the older style boxes have IIRC.

Maybe I should try on bleedin' it. How long time did you take in bleedin' the system?
I think I spent almost an hour tryin' to get the air off.. But maybe the extra giant reservor might slow things down.

With best regards, Ulfr


P.S. Is it normal for the fluid Reservor to increase it's level when turning right, and then again lower it's level when I turn left?

Thanks for the reply. :)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Aug 08, 2008, 03:38:12 PM
would be a lot quicker to reply on icelandic huh....

1. what is the highest point of the system (the reservoir should be the highest)

2. what I dit to the reservoir was I cut it in half, removed the net or what to call it and everything else that was in there that slowed the flow down, I weldet a exchaust pipe (same size as the reservoir) as an spacer to make the reservoir a lot bigger,  but first I bought a magned that I dropped in there (I just had it hang on one of the walls,)  it really helps the reservoir if the inlet pipe points a litle to the side of the reservoir making a nice vortex.

3. I noticed that also when I was getting my setup ready. (the full/empty---right/left)

4. when the D. in toyoda is tapped they just go through the side of the box, the wain on top of the box is the one that you should be worried about.
    or where is the second tapping?

5. I was told that you could just empty out the box by turning left and right. and so I dit, with the pitman arm removed I turned the wheel as far as it went on each side and the ram followed (ram also disconnected).

6. the line running from the pump to the box (pressure line) I drilled that one out a litle bit.   and the line running from the box to the cooler, shouldn´t have any coaningns (brass thingy) at all...


this should give you something to think about.
you could also call me if you keep hitting walls. s: 8400952
or e-mail or pm me.
with regards.
Bassi
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ulfr on Aug 08, 2008, 04:22:29 PM
would be a lot quicker to reply on icelandic huh....

1. what is the highest point of the system (the reservoir should be the highest)

2. what I dit to the reservoir was I cut it in half, removed the net or what to call it and everything else that was in there that slowed the flow down, I weldet a exchaust pipe (same size as the reservoir) as an spacer to make the reservoir a lot bigger,  but first I bought a magned that I dropped in there (I just had it hang on one of the walls,)  it really helps the reservoir if the inlet pipe points a litle to the side of the reservoir making a nice vortex.

3. I noticed that also when I was getting my setup ready. (the full/empty---right/left)

4. when the D. in toyoda is tapped they just go through the side of the box, the wain on top of the box is the one that you should be worried about.
    or where is the second tapping?

5. I was told that you could just empty out the box by turning left and right. and so I dit, with the pitman arm removed I turned the wheel as far as it went on each side and the ram followed (ram also disconnected).

6. the line running from the pump to the box (pressure line) I drilled that one out a litle bit.   and the line running from the box to the cooler, shouldnīt have any coaningns (brass thingy) at all...


this should give you something to think about.
you could also call me if you keep hitting walls. s: 8400952
or e-mail or pm me.
with regards.
Bassi

1. That I probably need to change, I just made a bigger reservor in the grille, wasn't quite sure what would happen when I grinded the reservor in parts.
But so it is okay to just remove the net, that's a good thing, then the next step will be changing that, and just addin' my cooler in the front. Probably helps abit. I think I have a pipe that fits the reservor in my workshop so that shouldn't stop me. :)

3. Okay, that's a VERY good thing to know, as I was goin' nuts over that thing, thought my box was cracked or something worse.

4. It's in the front of the box. I went to Stal & Stansar to get it tapped as I wasn't fully sure of what I was doin' and didn't quite have the time for it either. :) (I'm a wuss, I know I know... :/ )

5. That's what I've heard, and read on this thread (aswell as others)

6. Ya, that's the same as I did I assume. But of course, the pump in 1KZ-T is gear driven, a little bit different casing from the belt driven casing.

And my god how I'm happy to see your reply! (I was seriously considerin' callin' you last evening when I was hitting these walls, lol. )
And yes, it would be abit quicker to answere this in Icelandic, hehe.

So end conclusion is that I should remove the "extra" reservor I made, and just cut the other one apart and extend it. Will try that next monday when I get back to the rig.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Aug 09, 2008, 02:13:07 AM
Itīs ok to remove the net in the reservoir, but then you have to fit some magnet inside the box instead. to catsh the deprish if thereīs any... 

I donīt have a cooler except for that pipe thingy thatīs stock... I only have a huge reservoir. and I basicly filled it at first then had the steering spill out the rest. and kept the fluid level there....
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: colonelangus on Nov 24, 2008, 01:57:47 PM
just got my hydro stuff in the mail.nice write up have it bookmarked for reference.. :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: twistedtoy92 on Dec 03, 2008, 12:25:31 PM
oh man i can't wait to try this out!!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Jan 25, 2009, 09:41:50 PM
Just FYI, Ballistic Fab just came out with 1.25" clamps for your tie rod mount
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http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/OD-Tube-Clamp_p_21-1474.html

I just picked one of these up from Ballistic to use on my Marlin rod. I will post up when I weld it up.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Jan 25, 2009, 09:47:42 PM
I just picked one of these up from Ballistic to use on my Marlin rod. I will post up when I weld it up.
Please do! I still havent gotten around to installing mine  :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Jan 26, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
Just ordered my parts from surpluscenter last night 120.00(106.00 in parts) shipped :banana:. Has any one used the tranny cooler on the bottom of the rad... i was thinking about trying that??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Ramrod on Jan 26, 2009, 12:43:52 PM
anything helps and a ton of people run no cooler at all so that should be pretty good, if you have an issue throw in a cooler
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Jan 26, 2009, 01:13:36 PM
U can pick up a nice flex a lite cooler for about 30 bucks at summit with hoses, brackets and everything to mount it
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Jan 26, 2009, 06:54:50 PM
I actually have 2 unused trans cooler but i also have a unused trans cooler built in so why not and if that dont work i will throw a trans cooler on. I cant wait for my hydor, it dose not even feel like i have power steering.   O and THANK YOU   freds40 for saving me 100.00 if you are ever in CO i owe you a beer!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Jan 26, 2009, 07:13:46 PM
The cooler on the rad is STOCK...not very effective for large tires combined with the extra work to push the ram (although the ram and the lines do add some extra capacity to the system)... it will work...but your steering pump will thank you if you add a cooler...if you have it..add it....it only takes a couple minutes to install....


EXTRA capacity is never a bad thing....the whole system will stay a lot cooler :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Jan 27, 2009, 06:49:19 AM
Ok that what i was really wanting to hear "STOCK...not very effective" i will leave it plugged and throw a trans cooler on
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Jan 27, 2009, 04:37:15 PM
Alright- I feel like an idiot because this thread is full of- "It worked great for me!"s. I need some help figuring it out. I have been bleeding the system forever- no longer getting bubbles in the fluid. However, the ram only works when extending and it's SUPER slow. I drilled the restrictor, added a cooler and made the res bigger. Did anyone have a problem like this- even when bleeding? Any ideas? I read back through the thread and nobody seemed to have this. Thanks for any ideas.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: All_Set on Jan 28, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
Alright- I feel like an idiot because this thread is full of- "It worked great for me!"s. I need some help figuring it out. I have been bleeding the system forever- no longer getting bubbles in the fluid. However, the ram only works when extending and it's SUPER slow. I drilled the restrictor, added a cooler and made the res bigger. Did anyone have a problem like this- even when bleeding? Any ideas? I read back through the thread and nobody seemed to have this. Thanks for any ideas.

What exactly did you buy?  What did you drill the restrictor out too?  Are you lines plumbed correctly? (If you get them backwards, it's hard/immpossible to turn)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Jan 28, 2009, 11:19:16 AM
I got all the surplus center parts, added a small tranny cooler from Autozone in the return line, and increased the reservoir with a piece of exhaust pipe. I drilled the restrictor to 13/64 and bled it by turning the wheel back and forth with the tires off the ground, turning the engine on, steering till it got frothy waiting and repeating. I used the trail gear picture to hook up the lines and they are correct. The ram isnt bolted in place yet- its still hanging with the fittings on the ram pointing up. When I drilled it and tapped it it was clearly in the vein and I think I cleaned like a champ. Im stumped.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Jan 28, 2009, 11:50:46 AM
mine did the same as you described.....slow moving..extending only....i got frustrated after bleeding forever (using the bleeder valve on the box itself too ...did u bleed the box?)

left it overnight.....

came out the next day...bled for a minute or two and it worked....

seems it was just a bunch of air bubbles
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Jan 28, 2009, 12:04:58 PM
I'm on day 3 of bleeding, and I no longer get bubbles. Should I just keep trying to bleed?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Jan 29, 2009, 06:35:36 PM
Well, 4 was the magic number. Today the ram decided to start working after bleeding for the millionth time. Sweet cant wait to try it out!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Jan 31, 2009, 09:30:07 AM
So i just got my stuff in and they sent the wrong ram :mad:. before i call on Monday, any one have any issues with the 36" lines, thinking about getting some 48" lines? they look like they might not be long enough? o and is every one just using power steering fluid or something different?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Jan 31, 2009, 07:35:18 PM
From what I've read- most folks are recommending running what the PUMP likes. I have the stock toy pump so its Dexron ATF for me and the ram doesnt care.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: beyondlogic on Feb 04, 2009, 12:13:04 PM
has anyone ever put hydro assist on IFS?  if so is it any different?  Pros? Cons?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 04, 2009, 09:08:55 PM
ya that what rack and pinion steering is for the most part, so any toyota truck after 1997(i think)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: beyondlogic on Feb 05, 2009, 07:50:39 AM
sorry i meant 86-95 IFS so it would be using the same concept as hydro assist on a SAS, with a tapped steering box and a ram.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 05, 2009, 08:15:02 AM
i know, i was not trying to be an ace sorry. I have not heard of it but i bet you could really easily. Trying to see it in my mind. i think you could attach the ram to your inner frame? like Marlin's steering stabilizer
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: axel9615 on Feb 06, 2009, 12:33:13 PM
I browsed the whole post but didn't see anything about ram diameters...

Has anyone tried the 2" ram from surplus

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009020614255204&item=9-7259-6&catname=hydraulic

or

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009020614255204&item=9-7602-06&catname=hydraulic
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 06, 2009, 12:43:49 PM
The bigger the ram the slower it will move. Its a volume issue
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: beyondlogic on Feb 06, 2009, 01:46:25 PM
i know, i was not trying to be an ace sorry. I have not heard of it but i bet you could really easily. Trying to see it in my mind. i think you could attach the ram to your inner frame? like Marlin's steering stabilizer

you werent no offense was taken  thanks for your help
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Feb 06, 2009, 01:58:07 PM
OK, big question, ATF or power steering fluid??  I used synthetic PS fluid when I first put my system together.  Long story short, I broke my ram and had PSC repair it.  The system is now dry.  Should I switch to ATF to save the pump from potentially leaking after using PS fluid??  Mix ATF and PS half and half?  I've heard rumors that ATF is basically PS fluid with some red tint  :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 08, 2009, 09:04:40 PM
I am, and have been running 50/50 with on issues for years. I have not put my ram on so I don't know how it will do but my pump likes what's in it so that what I am sticking with. I went 50/50 because ATF will keep every thing cleaner. Just did not have enough balls to go full ATF really but it like it so...  I dont think they are the same maybe close but not the same.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Feb 09, 2009, 05:00:07 AM
NO they are not the same. If you have a Toyota box, PS fluid will make it leak....I  seen it happen


Your owners manual specifies ATF only for the  power steering system
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Feb 09, 2009, 02:34:43 PM
I have neeeever used anything else than ATF
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Feb 09, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
NO they are not the same. If you have a Toyota box, PS fluid will make it leak....I  seen it happen


Your owners manual specifies ATF only for the  power steering system

Will the hydro ram work fine on ATF?  PSC calls for PS fluid in their rams. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Feb 10, 2009, 12:26:08 PM
works like a charm for me
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Scott83 on Feb 16, 2009, 07:40:18 PM
finished my hydro install sunday night,but its not working very well.  I crank the truck ,worked the steering back and forth to work the air out but I don't think that its going to work. the how to wright up was great and the conversion worked good,but I am having trouble bleeding air out of the system. Does any one have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4RunnerChevy on Feb 17, 2009, 06:01:42 AM
ATF works fine for me.  Chevy pump, Toy box, and a ram.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: newbe94 on Feb 17, 2009, 06:37:40 AM
ATF  (automatic trans fluid )?   in stock toy power steering?

:smack:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Scott83 on Feb 17, 2009, 06:49:49 AM
 :help:my rams a hang-in low and am waiting for the air to work out any more ideas?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: abeer on Feb 17, 2009, 01:18:15 PM
Scott- be patient. It took me 4 DAYS of bleeding every few hours to work properly. Also, as a note, the ram really needs the pump to be in high pressure to work correctly. If the wheels are off the ground that happens when you hit the stops. Sorry if you already knew that, but just wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Scott83 on Feb 17, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
i let it set all night and today,then i turned lock to lock 5 or 6  times. took it off the jacks and it works good now,thanks for the info, great thread.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Feb 19, 2009, 11:16:06 AM
Scott- be patient. It took me 4 DAYS of bleeding every few hours to work properly. Also, as a note, the ram really needs the pump to be in high pressure to work correctly. If the wheels are off the ground that happens when you hit the stops. Sorry if you already knew that, but just wanted to make sure.

Yea I think it took about a day and a half for mine to bleed out.....
Ya gotta think the capacity is pretty much 2-3 times more...maybe more with all the lines, ram, cooler, larger reservoir, etc..

lots of nooks and crannys for air to hide in!

I tried everything to get it out   :hahaha:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 22, 2009, 07:45:42 PM
Well i got mine all hooked up and ready to rock and i did not have to bleed it at all  :banana:. Before i installed every thing i filled it all with atf. took some pix of the drilled and taped holes.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Mar 01, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
It would be nice if everyone who did this posted pictures of their set up. Particularly how they mounted the ram. It would be cool to see the different mount ideas used.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Mar 02, 2009, 07:20:55 AM
Good idea, I will also post up some pics tonight of how I ran the lines and ram
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Mar 24, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
anyone using this ram?
http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009032402294531&item=9-7258-6&catname=hydraulic

Only concern is the 1" rod versus the 3/4" on the one that was used by most...

edit ports on the one above are sae 6? the other one used by most is 3/8..
wtf is sae? same as jic or npt?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4RunnerChevy on Mar 24, 2009, 06:08:47 AM
sae 6 is also 3/8  (1/16 per number 2=1/8, 4=1/4)  in a 37* flare I believe and also parallel thread.  I could be wrong cause I try to make all my hydraulics (home and work) JIC.    Easy enough to find fittings for regardless.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Mar 24, 2009, 03:11:39 PM
-6 AN is the same as #6 JIC.  NPT is different than AN / JIC.

I'll post some pics of my new hydro assist diff bracket.  It works better than my old setup.

I also got a run in on my assist with ATF.  Maybe it was just me but my steering seemed to work better when I was running syn. PS fluid.  I seem to get way more pump whine with ATF.  I also seem to get some weird feeling spots in the steering (hard to explain).  When turning the wheel, certain spots seem to be "more grabby" and the pump whines louder than normal.  I think if I added a larger reservoir that some of these problems would go away.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Mar 24, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
thanks guys that helps out. Everyone should post more pictures of their setups....
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotaismygame on Mar 26, 2009, 01:42:19 AM
this is way cool. It makes me want to weld up my front just so i can go hyrdo assist to see how nice it is lol
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Mar 26, 2009, 01:44:47 AM
this is way cool. It makes me want to weld up my front just so i can go hyrdo assist to see how nice it is lol


I would not suggest welding the front..... ever
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Mar 28, 2009, 12:39:25 PM
Here are the finished hydro assist pics.  I made a new bracket for the top of the diff.  It's made out of 2"x 2" x 3/16".  I tried to place the ram as perfectly in line with the tie rod as possible to try and get rid of the ram rotating the tie rod.  I also tried to get it as close to keep the leverage factor down on the bracket welded to the tie rod.

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Backside of mount on top of the diff


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As close and as parallel as possible.  Close enough that I have to undo the passenger side hiem from the steering arm to get the bolt in and out of the diff bracket. 


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It makes slight contact at full steer L&R.  I have a new bolt with the head half shaved off to replace it.


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Frontside of diff bracket to show the radius cut to fit the curve of the housing.


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I just used the TG tie rod bracket I had bought from the first time I installed the assist.  I cut it down and just welded it to the tie rod rather than having it on a clamp.


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Another shot of the tie rod bracket.


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Closeup of the diff bracket.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Mar 28, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
VOLCOM

Your set up looks nice. Great pictures. I am gonna have to figure out how to do basically what you did and integrate a track bar bracket. When I complete I will post pics.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Mar 28, 2009, 08:33:57 PM
Volcom, how close do your ram hoses come to the oil pan on compression? Looks pretty tight...I know mine is...I actually have a couple small (clearanced) dents on the pan from the fittings on the ram lines
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotaismygame on Mar 28, 2009, 10:23:26 PM
I would not suggest welding the front..... ever

hahaha whatever. i know several people that wheel with a welded front. no biggie
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: DTB on Mar 28, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
hahaha whatever. i know several people that wheel with a welded front. no biggie
I wouldnt suggest welding it either....but thats just me.....
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yota-tota on Apr 05, 2009, 10:33:01 AM
When bleeding the box do you crack the bleeder while turning the wheels lock to lock till its just fulid comming out or just turn it lock to lock then crack the bleeder for a sec then do it again similar to brakes?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Apr 10, 2009, 07:57:12 PM
Was just looking at this on Howes site. Good diagram for info.

http://www.howeperformance.com/pdfs/toyota%20hose%20diag.pdf
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: loacyota on Apr 14, 2009, 01:44:23 PM
ordered mine today. will def need with 36 iroks on my new build. ill post up pics in a few weeks when it is done and how it works
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: blue_toy on Apr 17, 2009, 07:37:13 AM
Just finished installing this...works well in the driveway w/39 TSL's  .....will try next weekend
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Apr 17, 2009, 08:26:51 AM
Volcom, how close do your ram hoses come to the oil pan on compression? Looks pretty tight...I know mine is...I actually have a couple small (clearanced) dents on the pan from the fittings on the ram lines

I think they come close but they don't touch.  They might touch if both front springs compressed at the same time to the bumpstops (aka jumping :)  ) but I haven't ran the truck that hard yet.  If it becomes a problem, I can rotate the ram so the lines are pointed toward the rear.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: potter85 on May 07, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
super pumped on this. next mod. How well does it steer on the road? does it get lots of over steer?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on May 07, 2009, 10:01:04 PM
super pumped on this. next mod. How well does it steer on the road? does it get lots of over steer?

Steers great on the road.  I don't notice the over steer.  It makes mine streetable.  Without hydro assist, my death wobble is so bad, I can hardly drive it. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: potter85 on May 10, 2009, 09:22:24 PM
i have heard alot about people complaining about it steering weird on the road. but that is as far as it goes... only heard... i am yet to drive a rig with hydro assist. but i am not scared. haha. on my truck i dont run a stabilizer or anything and all i have is a pull to the left but i am sure that when i set uo the rear springs i have, i was a little off on my hangar placement. :( (one of the rear hangars is at a greater angle than the other one) I think that being able to steer over anything with your pinky finger is well worth it.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 08:05:08 PM
Thought I would bump this for my own question....

I have just finished hooking everything up and i am in the process of bleeding everything. I seem to either not know what i am doing or i just dont know what i am doing

info on set up--4.3l, saginaw pump, toy ifs box, 6" stroke ram

When the truck is in the air the ram will not move until i go all the way to lock, this is turning either direction.

With tires on the ground the ram moves immediately but the rest of the steering will not move until the ram has maxed out its stroke.

I have been going back and forth with the steering wheel both engine running and not, also tires in the air and on the ground. I have continuously bleed the box and air comes out on the occasion.

Does any of this sound familiar to when any of you bleed your box? Sny better tips on getting this working properly? (or whatever normal is if you care to explain)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Jul 09, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
When bleeding the system all the parts should be connected. Is the ram attached at both ends? If not it should be.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 08:50:59 PM
When bleeding the system all the parts should be connected. Is the ram attached at both ends? If not it should be.

everything is 100% hooked up and all fittings are tight
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Jul 09, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
Mine did the same thing.  Ram wouldn't move until steering when to lock.  Sounds like you still have air in the system.  Let it sit and try again.  You might also have to remove a hose (or both hoses) from the ram and manually fill the ram with some fluid.  It takes awhile to get that ram full of fluid.  My fluid would also have a ton of bubbles in it.  I would let it sit for 30 minutes and come back and turn it back on and steer back and forth with weight on the frontend.  I repeated that probably 5-6 times.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 08:59:40 PM
Mine did the same thing.  Ram wouldn't move until steering when to lock.  Sounds like you still have air in the system.  Let it sit and try again.  You might also have to remove a hose (or both hoses) from the ram and manually fill the ram with some fluid.  It takes awhile to get that ram full of fluid.  My fluid would also have a ton of bubbles in it.  I would let it sit for 30 minutes and come back and turn it back on and steer back and forth with weight on the frontend.  I repeated that probably 5-6 times.

i pre filled the ram, box, and hoses-- guess ill keep trying


what is normal operation? both moving at the same speed?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Jul 09, 2009, 09:22:08 PM
Help Me here. How is it possible for your ram not to move until you are to full lock. If the ram is attached at the axle and tie rod how could it not move together with the steering?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 09:42:41 PM
Help Me here. How is it possible for your ram not to move until you are to full lock. If the ram is attached at the axle and tie rod how could it not move together with the steering?

ram is not attached to either
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Jul 09, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
i pre filled the ram, box, and hoses-- guess ill keep trying


what is normal operation? both moving at the same speed?

Wow, I didn't prefill anything and the first time I hooked it up, it bleed within an hour.  2nd time (after fixing a broken ram) wasn't as fast but still got it done.

Yeah both the steering and the ram should move at roughly the same speed.  Like the name applies, the ram is assisting the PS box.  When you have the motor on, can you take the cap to the reservoir?  Can you see a ton of bubbles in the fluid while the engine is running?  Once you see bubbles, shut the motor off and let them dissapear.  Also, I had to rev the engine higher than idle to get the air out.  Hopefully you can get it figured out.  I'm just trying to throw out some ideas??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Jul 09, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
ram is not attached to either

Your ram isn't hooked up to the axle or tie rod yet?  You might try hooking it up and having the tie rod basically move the ram in and out to help get that air out.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 10:46:32 PM
Wow, I didn't prefill anything and the first time I hooked it up, it bleed within an hour.  2nd time (after fixing a broken ram) wasn't as fast but still got it done.

Yeah both the steering and the ram should move at roughly the same speed.  Like the name applies, the ram is assisting the PS box.  When you have the motor on, can you take the cap to the reservoir?  Can you see a ton of bubbles in the fluid while the engine is running?  Once you see bubbles, shut the motor off and let them dissapear.  Also, I had to rev the engine higher than idle to get the air out.  Hopefully you can get it figured out.  I'm just trying to throw out some ideas??

did you do anything other than just run the truck and let the air work its way out?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Jul 09, 2009, 10:55:11 PM
Your ram isn't hooked up to the axle or tie rod yet?  You might try hooking it up and having the tie rod basically move the ram in and out to help get that air out.

Exactly. The ram should be attached at both ends or you are wasting your time.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 09, 2009, 11:03:46 PM
Exactly. The ram should be attached at both ends or you are wasting your time.

I'll give it a shot, everything i read said to let the ram hang down and what not
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Jul 09, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
I'll give it a shot, everything i read said to let the ram hang down and what not

When you hook it up, make sure you get it centered along with the steering box centered.  You don't want to bottom out your PS box and still have ram travel.  Something will go boom. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Jul 10, 2009, 06:34:42 AM
i pre filled my ram and lines hooked it up and let it hang and it worked great right out of the shoot. I bet you still have some air in there. do you have is going through a cooler? i also pre filled my cooler and cooler lines as well
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Jul 10, 2009, 08:22:22 AM
When you hook it up, make sure you get it centered along with the steering box centered.  You don't want to bottom out your PS box and still have ram travel.  Something will go boom. 

It wont move with the tires in the air until i get to lock. I will try to center it by hand

i pre filled my ram and lines hooked it up and let it hang and it worked great right out of the shoot. I bet you still have some air in there. do you have is going through a cooler? i also pre filled my cooler and cooler lines as well

I have a cooler and the lines get warm when the truck is running, I didnt prefill those though
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Aug 04, 2009, 07:51:10 PM
Here are some pics of my install

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Cooler for assist

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Assist mounted to axle for now

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Aug 15, 2009, 12:08:12 AM
This is an awesome build. ive heard of hydro assist but never seen it in a build.I like :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: MaXXis85 on Aug 19, 2009, 09:16:41 AM
Does the same pump mod work on a V6 pump?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: axled89 on Oct 03, 2009, 12:17:25 AM
what ram from surplus are you guys running??     can i get a pic or parts number.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: KYOTA on Oct 05, 2009, 09:19:45 PM
what ram from surplus are you guys running??     can i get a pic or parts number.

did you read the writeup? all the part numbers are listed for everything
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Dec 10, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
Does anyone know if the pump mod will work for a 4 cyl Tacoma?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: fj40forlife on Dec 10, 2009, 11:22:41 PM
Where could you find a 1/4" NPT tap at a store? I seen some online But would ace autozone napa etc have one? is it 1/4x18?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Dec 11, 2009, 11:01:45 AM
Does the same pump mod work on a V6 pump?

X's 2 i got the surplus parts ordered and brackets and a cooler, just need to make my res. bigger and throw it all together. Im hoping the pump mod works on my v6.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Dec 11, 2009, 11:07:44 AM
I believe the tacoma pump has a restrictor with 2 smaller holes next to each other. On my FJ60 I swapped that style restrictor for the earlier single hole version and it worked fine. I'm not sure if you can do that with the Tacos or not.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Dec 11, 2009, 09:26:40 PM
Where could you find a 1/4" NPT tap at a store? I seen some online But would ace autozone napa etc have one? is it 1/4x18?
Got mine at Napa. But it was a pain to get the guy to believe me that, that size really is a real tape size, i finale had to tell him to just let me see the box of taps they had and ya they had it. good luck
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 1997whitefozo on Dec 21, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
Dang, sounds pretty easy. I am going to have to do this mod!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 23, 2009, 05:49:33 AM
Mine came in the mail yesterday. Early X-mas for me :-)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 23, 2009, 05:45:51 PM
Got the lines all hooked up an got the bleeding started.




i hope it goes fast.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 24, 2009, 06:42:17 PM
Modafied the reservour today. I used some drive line toob and stretched the stock one 3 inches taller. I also added a tranny cooler.... And got a good start on the brackets. (I didn't have much time to work on it today)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 26, 2009, 10:19:41 PM
Finished it all up today. Seems to work. I locked it up and did a 10 point turn around in the shop. I steered easy. My only concern is clearance between the ram and the oil pan. 2-3 inches!!!! Does any one have the same clearance and know it isn't a problem? I don't want to lift it any more. Might have to come up with a bump stop.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Dec 27, 2009, 08:58:04 AM
Finished it all up today. Seems to work. I locked it up and did a 10 point turn around in the shop. I steered easy. My only concern is clearance between the ram and the oil pan. 2-3 inches!!!! Does any one have the same clearance and know it isn't a problem? I don't want to lift it any more. Might have to come up with a bump stop.

Post some pictures of your set up. Res and assist mount.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: pumkin toy on Dec 27, 2009, 09:42:40 AM
Finished it all up today. Seems to work. I locked it up and did a 10 point turn around in the shop. I steered easy. My only concern is clearance between the ram and the oil pan. 2-3 inches!!!! Does any one have the same clearance and know it isn't a problem? I don't want to lift it any more. Might have to come up with a bump stop.
good deal man, great you got it done and workin!  how much did it cost? I know the OP said he did it for 100 bucks, but that was back in 2004! i'm sure prices have gone up since then
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Dec 27, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Finished it all up today. Seems to work. I locked it up and did a 10 point turn around in the shop. I steered easy. My only concern is clearance between the ram and the oil pan. 2-3 inches!!!! Does any one have the same clearance and know it isn't a problem? I don't want to lift it any more. Might have to come up with a bump stop.

Mine is about that close, I compared it to my tie rod and drag link and their clearance to make sure it would not hit. I have not had it off road yet but i do not think it will
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Dec 28, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
Finished it all up today. Seems to work. I locked it up and did a 10 point turn around in the shop. I steered easy. My only concern is clearance between the ram and the oil pan. 2-3 inches!!!! Does any one have the same clearance and know it isn't a problem? I don't want to lift it any more. Might have to come up with a bump stop.
What motor do you have?
I know with the 3.0 V6 some people have to swap out there oil pan with a 2wd T100 oil pan and sump to get the clearance they need. Im not sure were i saw the thread might have been on pirate. ill look for it.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Dec 28, 2009, 12:17:12 PM
Found it in the (TOYOTA BIBLE FAQ 2.0-on pirate 4x4) that is one of the most helpful places you can look for any question.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23993
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 28, 2009, 09:24:53 PM
I have the 22re.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Dec 30, 2009, 10:18:09 PM
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I used 2'' I/D spuare toobing and fish mouthed it to clearance it for swiveling
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1/4'' plate for the other end
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clearance to oil pan
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I flexed it
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and found out that the tie rod on the pitman arm hits the leaf spring at full compression.
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I built some bump stops after I put away the camera.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: possum on Jan 02, 2010, 10:14:13 PM
Tried it out today. I ran it hard all day at Browns Camp. It steered great. The only thing I wasn't happy about was that the pump whines now. I lost my drain plug on the front diff on a rock. The best I can figure is that I must of left it loose a couple runs ago. Any way I found the plug and put it back in and borrowed a bottle of gear lube.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Pariah on Jan 20, 2010, 06:40:39 PM
Very nice write up!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 83yotachad on Jan 24, 2010, 12:04:14 AM
Very good post! This was not getting any action in the other spot so I thought I would post here to.  I ended up with to boxes do to not reading completely. The 1st one I have not been able to get it back together do to them little balls gerr it got me drinking. The 2nd one I got it done and installed yahoo!  I read some where that some one took two stock reservoir's cut the bottom off one and the top off the other cleaned them out and welded them together I have it plumped in I don't think something is wright I have so much pressure that it comes out the bottom of the cap so I took the reservoir out and connected the steering box to the pump and did not have that problem of high pressure but when I shut the engine off it over flows out of the top of the power steering pump even thoe there is hardly next to nothing in the psp before I shut it down. O a little insight to what I have  82/83 toy pickup with a Chevy 283 stock steering pump toy steering box and a 2X8 ram . I might of left something just ask ! Iam open to any ideas .
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Jan 24, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
Very good post! This was not getting any action in the other spot so I thought I would post here to.  I ended up with to boxes do to not reading completely. The 1st one I have not been able to get it back together do to them little balls gerr it got me drinking. The 2nd one I got it done and installed yahoo!  I read some where that some one took two stock reservoir's cut the bottom off one and the top off the other cleaned them out and welded them together I have it plumped in I don't think something is wright I have so much pressure that it comes out the bottom of the cap so I took the reservoir out and connected the steering box to the pump and did not have that problem of high pressure but when I shut the engine off it over flows out of the top of the power steering pump even thoe there is hardly next to nothing in the psp before I shut it down. O a little insight to what I have  82/83 toy pickup with a Chevy 283 stock steering pump toy steering box and a 2X8 ram . I might of left something just ask ! Iam open to any ideas .

This should be some help. This diagram is is for a remote reservoir, but it helps as to where the lines from the box go. Hope it helps.

 http://www.howeperformance.com/pdfs/toyota%20hose%20diag.pdf
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Jakesteads on Feb 13, 2010, 07:26:04 PM
ok so i just cracked open my spare box to start working on it and whats with all the little bearing balls or detent balls any info on how to reinstall them???
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Feb 13, 2010, 10:43:37 PM
Warning.... Read this other entire thread before attempting this mod. In particular the first page.

http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=10579.0

This will save you alot of time and money.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Jakesteads on Feb 14, 2010, 07:02:12 AM
 :sick: :sick: :sick:  good thing i had a 2nd box lol :D live and you learn ill be doing my other box since u shouldnt take out that shaft!!!!!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: cj2man69 on Feb 17, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
Thanks for the great write up.
looked up the part numbers and it sure saved me a lot of research.
thanks again
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 17, 2010, 05:33:48 PM
ok so i just cracked open my spare box to start working on it and whats with all the little bearing balls or detent balls any info on how to reinstall them???
lol i have been there, use thick grease and cover the balls in it (get your mind out of the gutter) and slowly put them back in, one at a time and let the next ball put the previous. use a lot of grease and it wont be a pain. then slowly screw the shaft into the balls. :biggthumpup:  that sounded so bad lol
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: loacyota on Feb 20, 2010, 03:25:52 PM
Personally, this was the worst way i have ever spent money on my truck. I ordered all the parts in the list, except i got a trail gear pump instead of drilling the stock one out. i made a bigger Reservoir out of 2 stock ones, and added a cooler. The diameter of the opening for stock reservoir is not big enough to supply enough fluid for the setup. so i upgraded to a psc one. the ram described in the parts list is way to slow, the type of 90 degree fittings are very weak and break at the swivel nut(i have replaced many on the trail in a 3 day trip, clearance marks in the pan leads to this...) and the ram bent when my tire was wedged in a rock. I just got the psc ram and it is a way better part. more responsive and powerful.

with the new setup, i had all the pieces disconnected, put back together without pre-filling. filled it up, turned wheels couple of times, started it up and it bled all the air out in minutes...

diont waste money on this, just save up and do it the right way, or else you will be pissed off later like i was. way happier with the good stuff.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 21, 2010, 08:03:56 AM
Personally, this was the worst way i have ever spent money on my truck. I ordered all the parts in the list, except i got a trail gear pump instead of drilling the stock one out. i made a bigger Reservoir out of 2 stock ones, and added a cooler. The diameter of the opening for stock reservoir is not big enough to supply enough fluid for the setup. so i upgraded to a psc one. the ram described in the parts list is way to slow, the type of 90 degree fittings are very weak and break at the swivel nut(i have replaced many on the trail in a 3 day trip, clearance marks in the pan leads to this...) and the ram bent when my tire was wedged in a rock. I just got the psc ram and it is a way better part. more responsive and powerful.

with the new setup, i had all the pieces disconnected, put back together without pre-filling. filled it up, turned wheels couple of times, started it up and it bled all the air out in minutes...

diont waste money on this, just save up and do it the right way, or else you will be pissed off later like i was. way happier with the good stuff.

wow suck you had problems but sounds like your the only one so far. i never had any thing happen like you talked about. I used the stock ress and a small cooler and my junk moved as fast as i could move the wheel and I never broke any fitting.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: wakkjobb on Feb 23, 2010, 09:09:32 PM
I've read this a few times and I know to drill the restrictor out to 13/64"... took mine out and it's already bigger than 13/64"? Is this bad or not horrible for hydro? I'm guessing it's okay and will flow more fluid...  :dunno: It's not much bigger than 13/64; maybe 15/64?

>>Dan
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Feb 24, 2010, 03:42:06 AM
wow suck you had problems but sounds like your the only one so far. i never had any thing happen like you talked about. I used the stock ress and a small cooler and my junk moved as fast as i could move the wheel and I never broke any fitting.
you didnt need to make yer res. bigger. Just stock size and an oil cooler was enough to keep the pump fro squeelin!? i like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 24, 2010, 07:51:04 AM
I've read this a few times and I know to drill the restrictor out to 13/64"... took mine out and it's already bigger than 13/64"? Is this bad or not horrible for hydro? I'm guessing it's okay and will flow more fluid...  :dunno: It's not much bigger than 13/64; maybe 15/64?

>>Dan

try it if that dose not work i think i have a spar pump and we can swap the restrictors.

you didnt need to make yer res. bigger. Just stock size and an oil cooler was enough to keep the pump fro squeelin!? i like the sound of that.

you bet, stock res. and a small tranny cooler and i never had an issue with it, no squeelin.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: axled89 on Feb 24, 2010, 10:07:05 AM
you think it would just flow better with the larger hole.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 854RUN on Feb 24, 2010, 12:51:14 PM
you think it would just flow better with the larger hole.

It might not allow time for the fluid to cool
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 21, 2010, 02:33:16 AM
Personally, this was the worst way i have ever spent money on my truck. I ordered all the parts in the list, except i got a trail gear pump instead of drilling the stock one out. i made a bigger Reservoir out of 2 stock ones, and added a cooler. The diameter of the opening for stock reservoir is not big enough to supply enough fluid for the setup. so i upgraded to a psc one. the ram described in the parts list is way to slow, the type of 90 degree fittings are very weak and break at the swivel nut(i have replaced many on the trail in a 3 day trip, clearance marks in the pan leads to this...) and the ram bent when my tire was wedged in a rock. I just got the psc ram and it is a way better part. more responsive and powerful.

with the new setup, i had all the pieces disconnected, put back together without pre-filling. filled it up, turned wheels couple of times, started it up and it bled all the air out in minutes...


dit you do anything with the pump?
diont waste money on this, just save up and do it the right way, or else you will be pissed off later like i was. way happier with the good stuff.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 21, 2010, 02:53:58 AM
Bazzi... Why just a quote and no words of your own?


"Wakkjob" my restrictor is about 15/64" also. Except in the middle it has a screen with two very little holes. I drilled it out to 13/64". Just got a bleed it tomorrow and I'll let ya know how it goes. I have a pretty big oil cooler and stock res. I'll let ya all know how that goes too. (with the squealing and what not)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 21, 2010, 03:14:49 AM
huh thatīs wierd. I typed somewhere....

I was asking him what he dit to modify the pump or dit he modify the pump at all, cause if ditnīt  :hammerhead:
on a second thought why ditnīt you just mount the ram so it wouldnīt hit the oil pan.... and so on....
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 21, 2010, 03:30:14 AM
I did mount the ram so it wouldnt hit the oil pan :therethere:  I have a 3.o not a 4 cylinder the oil pans are different. I was doin the "hydro assist on the cheap" and didnt want to pay another hunderd and somethin dollars to do the oil pan swap. So i mounted my ram here, and Im gonna bend a hoop and weld it to the axle below the ram for protection. :gap:

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 21, 2010, 03:58:55 AM
is it possible the housing hangs in the lines in full axle drop. I donīt have a clue about the parts listed, I bought parts off the shelf to fit my application.  I was only suggesting that you change the way you mount the  ram, cause I thought you wrote it was scratshing your pan.... I must have mixed up threats or something...

well my  :twocents:have you modified the power steering pump, and I also removed some restrictions in the box,
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 21, 2010, 04:05:18 AM
I just  figured out I was misunderstnding you from the werry beginning. I thought you got a tappered box from trail gear, but you said you have a TG pump. If the steering is weak and moving slowly from with that setup, and it isnīt whineing, I would check the power outled of the pump, how big is it is the restriction in there, to me it sounds like the pump isnīt giving out enaugh juce or the cylinder in the ram is to big(wide) for the pump...
all of this is a litle bit hard to trouble shoot over the internet. Itīs all guesses but might help you out

with best regards Bæring
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 21, 2010, 05:25:32 PM
Ok guys so I have been tryin to bleed my system for hours. I'm sure the system is bled of all air. The ram moves when the wheel is turned and the engine is off. But when I turn the engine on the ram does not move when I turn the wheel.  :-\
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 21, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
P.s. Does any one have astock restrictor for a 3.0 pump?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 21, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
is it bolted to the housing?  if you disconnect the steering box and have the ram bolted up, the ram should move the wheels but you will have 2 move the steering to it stop, or at least thatīs how it works for me, the ram kinda kicks in when the box gets some restriction kinda like a turbo, hope you get what I am saying

 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 21, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
Ya I get what yer sayin. Makes sense. I still gotta get another restrictor though. I think I drilled mine out to big. I used the 13/64 drill bit but the restrictor allready had two little holes so after I drilled the holes out it's now a little bigger than 13/64"
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 23, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
I fixed that with a peace of brake pipe or some simular metal pipe, (canīt remember what it was) anyway I found me a pipe that fits inside the resistor or drilled the resistor out a litle more, then I drilled that pipe out for the size I wanted, I tryed a few out and really canīt remember what size I endet up with, I think it was something around 4,5 mm. I dit the exact same mod on a friends truck, and he kept the restrictor fully opened (no pipe) and when I had found the size of a restriction that I wanted he told me heīs used to the steering like this now and he ditnīt want to change it, I always thought his steering was scary loose or easy, but he liked it so  :wiggle:...

I donīt know if the newer models had a different resistor or what, but all the ones I have drilled out have had this plate inside with the 2 holes, and what happens is that this plate gets loose and kinda shootes out, I have punched it out with a hammer and I think I tryed to drill the 2 holes out once, but I donīt remember how that worked out, anyways you have probably a few things to try out now, and I am kinda to tyred to make sence right now, so keep asking and Iīll try to reply to you again soon if I am helping you ;)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 25, 2010, 10:52:22 AM
when i put my steering box back together that sharp lip that contacts the teflon  ring cut just a tiny sliver of the teflon ring. Do you think this could be giving me problems.

when the truck is off and tires in the air and the ram is not bolted to axle or tie rod the ram moves at the same speed as the tires
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: COToy91 on Mar 25, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
when i put my steering box back together that sharp lip that contacts the teflon  ring cut just a tiny sliver of the teflon ring. Do you think this could be giving me problems.

when the truck is off and tires in the air and the ram is not bolted to axle or tie rod the ram moves at the same speed as the tires
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I would say yes
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Bazzi on Mar 25, 2010, 05:56:57 PM
when i put my steering box back together that sharp lip that contacts the teflon  ring cut just a tiny sliver of the teflon ring. Do you think this could be giving me problems.

when the truck is off and tires in the air and the ram is not bolted to axle or tie rod the ram moves at the same speed as the tires


the teflon ring. if you have it back together I wouldnīt think to much of it, if you have it all torn apart replace that ring. about the ram, it kinda idles with the housing untill you have some restriction.  If you would have it the other way, have the ram mounted and the steering link disconnected, and the tires on the ground you wouldnīt see any movement till you have turned at either sideīs full stopp, when the box is pressed agains the edges the ram shootes out.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Mar 25, 2010, 06:16:50 PM
ok. That ring in the picture is the old one I replaced the old teflon ring with a new one in my rebuild kit. And the new one is the one that got cut but is very small cut. I really dont think its gonna hurt it at all.
I would say yes
but that shouldnt make my pump squeel, i wouldnt think?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 05, 2010, 12:19:46 PM
Another question for ya'll.
My ram seems to be moving in the opposite direction of my tires. I have the truck in the air on jack stands tires off the ground. And the ram un-bolted from the axle/tie rod.
This is the diagram I used to figure out how to route the hoses.
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I have checked, double checked and re-checked and had my friend look at the pic and my set up. We both come to the conclusion that the hoses are in the correct order.
The hose with the duct tape on it goes to the top of the steering box.
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Apr 05, 2010, 02:06:52 PM
My ram seems to be moving in the opposite direction of my tires.
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That appears to be correct for the hose connections.  Kinda weird that it wants to move in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: -Jake- on Apr 05, 2010, 02:28:08 PM
just throwing this out there but your ram is mounted the opposite direction of the one in the diagram
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 05, 2010, 02:51:20 PM
just throwing this out there but your ram is mounted the opposite direction of the one in the diagram
yes, I know, I took that into consideration when I hooked up the lines. If you look the lines are connected correctly left and right. The line that comes out of the top of the steering box connects to the ram on the passenger side of the truck. And the line that comes out of the side of the steering box connects to the ram on the driver side. I know my ram is flipped but that means the lines still go on the same side of the truck, it don't matter if the ram is flipped if the lines are oriented in the way they are supposed to be
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: -Jake- on Apr 05, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
yeah after studying it a bit more I see now.   :smack: 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Apr 06, 2010, 10:40:15 PM
Another question for ya'll.
My ram seems to be moving in the opposite direction of my tires. I have the truck in the air on jack stands tires off the ground. And the ram un-bolted from the axle/tie rod.
This is the diagram I used to figure out how to route the hoses.
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I have checked, double checked and re-checked and had my friend look at the pic and my set up. We both come to the conclusion that the hoses are in the correct order.
The hose with the duct tape on it goes to the top of the steering box.
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You have the ram mounted the wrong way.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4XFlyin on Apr 06, 2010, 10:46:13 PM
The diagram you have is for having the ram mounted this way. If you are going to keep it mounted the way you have, you may want to switch the hoses around. Maybe someone else can chime in who mounted it the same way you did.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 06, 2010, 11:50:07 PM
 :psss: did you read the previous posts


The hoses stay oriented on the same side of the truck no matter what way you flip the ram. The ram being flipped is the only difference. As long as the hose that has pressure while turning to the left is on the passenger side it will push the ram to the left. And as long as the hose that gets pressure while turning to the right is hooked up on the driver side it will push the ram to the right. I know not to hook the lines up the same way you have them and then flip the ram that would be opposite the way its supposed to be.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 06, 2010, 11:59:11 PM
This is how mine is hooked up, its not mounted the wrong way. Its just simply flipped.
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This is how yours is
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 09, 2010, 09:40:32 PM
Finally got it all workin! Must have just had a bad stock pump or somethin. I got the TG pump mounted using Dave'z offroad 3.0 pump bracket. For some reason my TG pump didnt come with mounting bolts so i used two M8x1.25x3" bolts with flange nuts. And one M8x1.25x1" bolt. That threaded into the pump housing. And two of the stock bolts. And made my own bracket to hold the TG res/filter kit.
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: pumkin toy on Apr 09, 2010, 09:43:58 PM
nice! good to see you got it workin
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Apr 09, 2010, 09:47:30 PM
nice! good to see you got it workin
Ya thanks man. I dunno what my problem was just lots of little set backs one after the other. But its workin good. the ram still goes the wrong way if its just hangin not bolted in and i turn the wheel. but when the truck is runnin it moves just right. So I aint gonna worry bout it.
 Just super stoked to go wheel some rocks with my ARB locked and see what happens!! :gap:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: pumkin toy on Apr 09, 2010, 09:50:21 PM
Ya thanks man. I dunno what my problem was just lots of little set backs one after the other. But its workin good. the ram still goes the wrong way if its just hangin not bolted in and i turn the wheel. but when the truck is runnin it moves just right. So I aint gonna worry bout it.
 Just super stoked to go wheel some rocks with my ARB locked and see what happens!! :gap:
yeah I would really like to get hydro assist set up on mine.  Thats the next thing I would really like to do, other than gaet my cage and body protection built
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Lil Bax on Apr 20, 2010, 04:48:11 PM
i ama complete noob but do u need high steer to do this and also would high steer help the turning when locked
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Sep 30, 2010, 06:23:20 PM
good deal man, great you got it done and workin!  how much did it cost? I know the OP said he did it for 100 bucks, but that was back in 2004! i'm sure prices have gone up since then

its still about the same price, I just ordered all my parts and the 8" ram, came out to $130 shipped, the 8" ram was a little more than the 6".
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Sep 30, 2010, 06:25:09 PM
I read a good deal here and still havent found out about the tacoma 3rz pump, will it keep up with the ram? can it be modded like the older ones?

thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Oct 01, 2010, 12:53:45 PM
if you can pull the restrictor out and look at it and it has two little holes I dont think it will work. If it has one small hole I would go for it.
Also try referencing the part numbers from the 3.4 pump to the 3.0 pump if they are the same it will be to week.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 01, 2010, 11:22:58 PM
i've read that the tacoma pumps have two small restrictor holes not one. i'm wondering if anyone has tried to mod these and if so how was it done? will a restrictor plate off a 22re pump fit ?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Oct 02, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
How do you think it'll run with it unmoddified?

I'm gonna be running a 1.5" ram,

got the box tapped and ready to go back on the truck, just want it to be drivable on the street.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ccolby3 on Oct 02, 2010, 05:16:46 PM
Looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Oct 07, 2010, 03:59:59 PM
How do you think it'll run with it unmoddified?

I'm gonna be running a 1.5" ram,

got the box tapped and ready to go back on the truck, just want it to be drivable on the street.

It will still be driveable but with an unmodded pump it will be a bit laggy.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Oct 07, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
It will still be driveable but with an unmodded pump it will be a bit laggy.

will it still be safe? not gonna be ralleying it just regular driving
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Oct 07, 2010, 04:28:08 PM
i'm driving on a non-moded pump, have never noticed it except for when i was driving down a dirt road that zig zagged back and forth real fast. even then, it really wasn't that bad.  i didn't mod mine because i read of a hand full of guys burning up their pumps or having a really noisy pump after moding it the correct way with the right size bit.  seems really hit and miss with moding the pump.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yota4x4sc on Oct 08, 2010, 02:04:40 PM
thats some clean hydro setup..i needa install one of those soon
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 14, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
just bought all the parts i need but it just hit me i have a driver side drop diff so my ram needs to go on passenger side. Are these 36" lines going to be long enough to go on that side or should i return them. someone who has done this setup how much slack is left in your ram lines?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Oct 15, 2010, 08:04:24 AM
just bought all the parts i need but it just hit me i have a driver side drop diff so my ram needs to go on passenger side. Are these 36" lines going to be long enough to go on that side or should i return them. someone who has done this setup how much slack is left in your ram lines?

You should have plenty of slack.  My 3' lines are too long for the driver side ram.  I had to wire-tie them in several spots to keep them out of the way.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 954toy on Oct 20, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
i can has that. very nice.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Oct 26, 2010, 09:18:22 AM
The 48" lines are only like $1.50 more, I would recomend running them if your going all the way to the pass side with the ram.


I just ram my rig for the first time with the hydro, and all I can say is WOW!

3rz, stock pump unmodified, 8"x1.5" surplus ram, no stopping it!!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 26, 2010, 09:43:43 AM
The 48" lines are only like $1.50 more, I would recomend running them if your going all the way to the pass side with the ram.


I just ram my rig for the first time with the hydro, and all I can say is WOW!

3rz, stock pump unmodified, 8"x1.5" surplus ram, no stopping it!!

Ok thats what i figured so i ordered that same setup. i can save the 36" lines for spares so it works. how does the ram do with an unmodified pump?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Oct 26, 2010, 10:37:24 AM
I only really notice it when coming out of a U-turn and trying to spin the wheel back to center fast. yeah I'm sure a aftermarket pump would be even better, but untill I need it, the stock one will do.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 26, 2010, 03:08:41 PM
what is everyone running for fluid. ATF or power steering fluid?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Oct 26, 2010, 03:23:23 PM
i'm running ps fluid.  heard somewhere that atf eats up the seals on the ram.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 26, 2010, 03:31:02 PM
Ok. Hey did you ever find that other ifs box?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Oct 26, 2010, 03:38:43 PM
lol. i knew you were going to ask me about that.  sorry, havn't spent a whole lot of time home lately.  i'll be home for half the day sunday.  i'll dig one up for you.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Oct 26, 2010, 03:41:30 PM
right on no hurry man. i just don't want to screw up the box i have with out a replacement. Unless you have one tapped already that would save me a lot of stress over it..  :bowdown:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: yotatough on Oct 26, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
I can get you a tapped box if you need one
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Nov 02, 2010, 02:07:36 PM
I hear this style cooler is better than the normal tranny coolers used because of faster circulation, any buddy try both and have input.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Nov 02, 2010, 03:18:39 PM
I heard on extreme4x4 they don't work as good as radiator style cooler, but that they do work.
:twocents:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Nov 02, 2010, 04:51:13 PM
Your right I watched it again on the dvr and they work almost as well, I thought it was the other way around. I got a 2" ram so I should use the one that works better..
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: zippo on Nov 02, 2010, 05:23:12 PM
Unless you are doing some crazy dry scrubbing "turning the wheel lock to lock while not moving" i don't think you would really ever notice the difference aslong as you are using some sort of cooler.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: blrunner on Dec 07, 2010, 04:16:02 PM
I was reading Fred's40 write up on his steering box mod for hydro assist on another thread somewhere in the Marlin site forum, and I'm confused as to where to tap my box. I have an '89 runner and would like to perform the hydro assist mod as well. In another thread that Fred's 40 posted, he added some info done up by a guy named Rick into his thread. Rick's info is as follows and my question are at the end of this info: Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
Ŧ Reply #28 on: April 17, 2005, 04:55:59 PM ŧ 

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Rick posted some info for working the FJ 80 boxes. Here it is borrowed (with Rick's permission) from the Tuki build:

 I wanted to abbreviate a few differences in dealing with the FJ80 box. (Its
my understanding that the FJ-80 box is also identical to the FJ55/60/62.)

STEPS:

0.) Remove and thoroughly clean outside of the steering box.

1.) Center the pitman arm.

3.) Remove the pitman arm.

4.) Remove top 4 bolts above sector shaft, 14 mm.

5.) Remove Sector Shaft.

6.) Turn input shaft so internal piston moves toward input end.

IFS box - CounterClockWise
FJ80 box - ClockWise

7.) Remove centering valve, 10mm allen. (if required)

8.) Remove 4 bolts from input shaft housing, 14 mm.

9.) Remove input shaft, don't let the internal piston spin off the input shaft.

10.) Clean the housing and stuff rags into sector shaft bearings and seals.

11.) Drill and tap housing. Typically on IFS boxes, people tap one hole in the
top and then one on opposite side of the TOYODA. But I've found that the top
hole is really difficult on the FJ-80 boxes since there appears to be less meat in
the top of some of the steering box housings plus you can't drill completely
though the box in that location. So what I've see other people do and did
myself, was I tapped a hole in the end of the box. Anywhere in the end will work
fine.

12.) Clean out the shavings and re-assembly with some lube.

13.) Plumb box to ram assist cylinder.

IFS - Top/End hole has pressure when turning left,
IFS - Side hole (TOYODA) has pressure when turning right.

FJ80 Box - Top/End hole has pressure when turning right,
FJ80 Box - Side hole (TOYODA) has pressure when turning left.



Hopefully that helps you other guys when dealing with these reverse rotation FJ80 steering boxes.

My question is: 1.) Under # 11 above, Rick states that people typically drill one hole on the top and one on the opposite side of "TOYODA". From everything I have seen on sites dealing with this mod people have been drilling either on the "TOYODA" or as member Fred's40 did just off to the side of it for clearance later if the box needs to be moved forward. So, do I tap the hole on the "TOYODA" side, or do I tap it somewhere on the engine side?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4RunnerChevy on Dec 07, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
I believe you can tap that Toyoda hole anywhere around the box, as long as it lines up with the D.  Its all the same chamber.  If you look into the housing where the D would drill into, it will give you an idea where you can tap.  Just be careful not to set you thread depth too deep in either hole (especially the top vein hole).  Make Sense  :confused:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: blrunner on Dec 07, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
Ok, thanks for the info 4runnerchevy!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Dec 07, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
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Here's where I tapped mine.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: blrunner on Dec 08, 2010, 04:18:18 AM
Thanks Volcom! Now I can do mine. :thumbs:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Dec 19, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
is there a need for any type of bushing on the ram cross tubes? like shock bushings?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4RunnerChevy on Dec 19, 2010, 08:27:30 PM
is there a need for any type of bushing on the ram cross tubes? like shock bushings?
Nope!
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: <MIKE> on Dec 19, 2010, 08:51:19 PM
Nope!

thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Jan 12, 2011, 09:28:40 AM
think something like this will work for resevore or cooler on a 2" ram, trying to save money and have thing like this layin around longer and shorter.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Jan 12, 2011, 10:06:26 AM
being you already have it, i would run it.  it should be more than enough for extra capacity.  never used something like that, so i'm not really sure if it will cool it enough, but i would guess it would.  looks good.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Jan 12, 2011, 10:23:15 AM
Probly do what you said for cooler, think ill use this for extra fluid
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 12, 2011, 10:35:30 AM
I would be careful running a 2" ram for an assist setup. It will be extremely sluggish with that ram. As far as the cooler, that style works nice and is easy to mount along a frame rail.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Jan 12, 2011, 11:25:44 AM
cant I change my pully to make it not slugish, im guessing your saying that because of the higher volume of fluid
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: freds40 on Jan 12, 2011, 02:18:47 PM
Drilling the restrictor will add volume but really only enough to make a 1.5" ram work well. The drilled restrictor should put out about 2-2.5GPM which is great for a 1.5" ram. The 2" ram works best with roughly 4-4.5GPM.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Sparkplug on Jan 12, 2011, 02:22:44 PM
Ill be installing my assist soon, and wanted to see pics of what you guys use for a res, your cooler, and how you mount the ram on the dif. Just wanted different ideas,
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: swapped89 on Jan 12, 2011, 02:26:15 PM
there is a bunch in this thread all ready post # 350-370-301 yadayada etc. etc.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Sparkplug on Jan 12, 2011, 02:28:53 PM
yeh lazy, was hopin to be sppon fed, but ill read thread

Gonna weld 2 res together, gonna mount both bolts for ram straight up, drill pump, dunno about a cooler yet, ill fig it out. Ill be psoting here with issues or install and how it goes.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: SloCrawler on Jan 12, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
Drilling the restrictor will add volume but really only enough to make a 1.5" ram work well. The drilled restrictor should put out about 2-2.5GPM which is great for a 1.5" ram. The 2" ram works best with roughly 4-4.5GPM.

In that's case I might have a 2" RAM for sale, I know its overkill but I got an awesome deal. Its now in trade or barter
 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: sunk99 on Feb 10, 2011, 02:57:13 PM
Thanks  for the write up, lots of info. One question I have is how do I know where to weld the mounting tabs on the tierod so the cylinder travels equally in both directions?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Feb 10, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
the way I have done it on 4 different rigs and worked perfect each time is I start by cranking the wheel one direction as far as it will go, til it hits the bump stops.  I do this with the engine off so the ram doesn't travel.  once the steering is maxed to one side, I fire the engine up, hold the wheel to that side til the ram pushes out/in all the way to that one side.  now your ram and you steering are working together.  this is where I weld the tab on the tierod.  
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Feb 11, 2011, 07:37:22 AM
Thanks  for the write up, lots of info. One question I have is how do I know where to weld the mounting tabs on the tierod so the cylinder travels equally in both directions?

Turn the steering whee so the tires point straight forward.  Take your ram and pull it out so that half of the ram's travel is showing.  Most use a 6" ram so make sure 3" of chrome rod is showing.  Make sure your passenger side mount is as far over to the passenger side as possible.  I made that mistake once and ended up bending the frame, bump stop brackets, bending a tie rod, and busting the chrome rod out of the ram.  Once I got everything fixed, I mounted it closer to the passenger side U bolt plate

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: sacsogv on Mar 12, 2011, 11:03:13 AM
This looks like a great system!!!! Cant wait to get started on mine :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: toyota castine on Mar 20, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
Can't wait to get assist on mine I knew its always been easy it just got me pumped to get it done
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 953rz4runner on Mar 30, 2011, 12:00:21 PM
Hey i was wondering if you had to do the powersteering pump mod if you have a pump of a 3rz?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: chromewontgetyouhome on Apr 14, 2011, 12:14:22 AM
Been researching this for a few days.  $130 for the home brewed is a heck of a lot better then $200 (PSC ram+hardware) or $1000+ for a complete assist system.  Is there a stock pump from another application that can be used for more fluid flow?  I'm going to mod my pump but if it starts to whine I'd like a cost effective solution.

Here's the 3/8 plugs, in case you have to block it off.  It would probably be wise to buy one extra hose and fittings to have spares (surplus center prices won't kill the wallet)

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-5406-HP-6&catname=hydraulic
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 85yotapolo on Apr 14, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Ok did hydro but only thing is when Turing left the ram is hitting leaf plate and turned it up and tighten down jAm nuts and it held for a while but when turning it loosened up and goes down and hit plate any ideas??? Fix??   
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Apr 14, 2011, 01:25:27 PM
weld some big tacks onto the jam nuts to hold them in place
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: sparkys83yota on May 06, 2011, 02:44:48 PM
ok. so i got my ram and mounts installed. my question is that lock to lock the ram only gets 5 1/2 ". with my wheels turned full driver it comes out 5 3/4 and turned all the way passenger in is 1/4-1/3 ' shy of going all the way in. Is this OK. Also I don't know it this matters but when turning full passenger I am about 1/4" short of hitting the steering stops.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: NCK4L on Jun 24, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
does anyone know how much fluid goes in your stock power steering system? i just finishe this assist mod and added a small double row cooler and modified my stock reservoir and i only got about 1.5 quarts in the system before it was full . does that sound about right? how much fluid are most of you guys getting in?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: superyota on Jun 24, 2011, 10:39:35 PM
i didn't measure mine, but that sounds about right
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: OldGold3VZE on Sep 28, 2011, 07:46:10 AM
Figured I'll add mine for other's to reference.  I went a little different with my axle mount.  Took a piece of 1/4" square tubing and made an angled mount to the top of the diff and added a 3/4" bolt to act as my mount.  Yes, it's single-shear, but it's 3/4" and beefy.  Also, all the tie rod ends are single shear, and they seem to hold up fine.  This mount was really easy to install.  Couldn't be happier.

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These pics suck, but here is where I mounted my cooler.  It's under the winch plate.  Plenty of air flow, and it's tucked out of the way, and not strapped to my radiator. 

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Here's the winch mount for reference.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Volcom on Sep 28, 2011, 09:11:19 AM
does anyone know how much fluid goes in your stock power steering system? i just finishe this assist mod and added a small double row cooler and modified my stock reservoir and i only got about 1.5 quarts in the system before it was full . does that sound about right? how much fluid are most of you guys getting in?

Sounds about right for a stock reservoir. 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Rob84pkup on Nov 14, 2011, 05:54:57 PM
Nice cooler mount
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: boomtacoma01 on Feb 07, 2012, 12:50:46 PM
Bump for a great thread. Got my Surplus Center parts on order.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4runnin_87 on Aug 17, 2012, 03:45:52 PM
I just ordered my assist parts from surplus and I'm curious as to how the assist has been holding up for any of you guys that's been running for a while now. And updated tip/tricks or tried that and didn't work suggestions? Thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: OldGold3VZE on Aug 17, 2012, 04:03:36 PM
It's the best $200 mod you'll do, and lasts a long time with no issues.  If you do it right, which is very easy, you'll be way stoked.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 4runnin_87 on Aug 20, 2012, 08:20:01 AM
It's the best $200 mod you'll do, and lasts a long time with no issues.  If you do it right, which is very easy, you'll be way stoked.

I can't wait to get this setup put on.. being locked in the front on 39.5 irocks there is just no turning sometimes. Now its time to read the tech thread once or twice more and ill be set when my box of goods show up.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: sjdeas87 on Sep 26, 2012, 05:24:43 PM
Finally found the receipt with the part numbers from Surplus Center. Also added them into my makeshift write-up

Ram                      9-4410-06
Hoses                    916-1436
3/8-1/4 bushings     9-1938
1/4 90s                 9-1922

which surplus store did you get these parts from??
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: sjdeas87 on Sep 26, 2012, 05:46:51 PM
answered my own question. Thanks for all the tech help.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: chandogg on Dec 30, 2012, 06:47:12 PM
can't wait. this is one of the last upgrades i'm waiting to do.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: twistedtoy92 on Jan 04, 2013, 07:23:22 PM
Just ordered my hydro assist!  :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: OldGold3VZE on Jan 08, 2013, 01:50:23 AM
can't wait. this is one of the last upgrades i'm waiting to do.

Should be one of the 1st for how cheap it is. Can't beat it! 
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: 89MiniTruck on May 06, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Sweet.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: matholland on Aug 17, 2013, 09:01:45 PM
I have read several pages on this, and it is a lot to go through.  I was hoping that someone could assist me in this.  I have a 81 toyota (whats left of it) that has the IFS steering box (I think, because the pitman arm moves side to side), dana 60 one ton axles with spools front and rear.  I believe that I need to go with a cooler and a bigger resivore.  I am not 100% sure on what size ram that I need, or fittings.  I am basically ready to order everything, I just need some assistance on getting all of my parts lined out so that I do this the right way.  Here is what my front end looks like.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: John Doe on Aug 18, 2013, 09:43:06 PM
I have read several pages on this, and it is a lot to go through.  I was hoping that someone could assist me in this.  I have a 81 toyota (whats left of it) that has the IFS steering box (I think, because the pitman arm moves side to side), dana 60 one ton axles with spools front and rear.  I believe that I need to go with a cooler and a bigger resivore.  I am not 100% sure on what size ram that I need, or fittings.  I am basically ready to order everything, I just need some assistance on getting all of my parts lined out so that I do this the right way.

To find the proper length ram:
Start with your wheels straight, attach some sort of straight edge to axle or ground that gets at or above the height of your tie-rod. Make a mark on the tie rod with a marker where that straight edge is. Turn full left, make another mark, full right and make another mark. Measure the distance between the outer marks, that is the length of ram you will need. Do the above with your axle on jack stands.

Now keep in mind it is very possible and in your case highly likely that your axle can turn further then your IFS steering box. If this is the case I would highly suggest that you limit your ram to just short of the swing distance of your steering box. You can take the above measurements with and with out your steering box connected to your axle. Doing so will likely net you 2 different measurements. For Hydro asst you do need a cooler and bigger reservoir.

Reservoir mods for more capacity:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyota-truck-4runner/424339-3-4t-hilux-build-begins-post7901853.html (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyota-truck-4runner/424339-3-4t-hilux-build-begins-post7901853.html)
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: matholland on Aug 19, 2013, 10:08:20 PM
Thanks for the reply!  Do you think that this will help me out with 42's without going fully hydraulic?  I think I have everything figured out...need an 8 inch ram...just need to figure out the cooler...what cooler is everyone using?  Do I need additional hoses/fittings in order to hook the cooler up?
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: twistedtoy92 on Aug 20, 2013, 05:01:01 PM
Something of this nature will work just fine!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Derale-6-Pass-Heavy-Duty-Automatic-Transmission-Cooler-7-1-2-x-16-x-3-4-/130970709057?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7e766c41&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: BPINAZ on Dec 13, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
I just finished my HA. I used all the Surplus Center parts from page one, plus some swivel NPT fittings I found at NAPA, couldn't believe how easy it was to do. Stock reservoir with a cooler that's about 2/3 bigger than stock.  I said a prayer before adding fluid and cranking it up, took about 20 minutes to bleed.

Driveway test run: both hubs locked, 9 PSI, both cases in low, on concrete.....two finger steering with a stock pump.  Using ATF DEXRON III.

However, I got ahead myself when mounting the ram.  I'll need to re-do my tabs to rotate the ram 90 deg.  My fittings are on the top, which is only about 3" from the oil pan.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: rcbro on Feb 09, 2014, 11:22:11 AM
Would like to get this thread updated alittle bit. Doing my build alot of parts left me scratching my head.

HYRDO ASSIST PARTS LIST
Everything below is from surpluscenter.com

Ram
Quantity: 1
Item Number: 9-4410-06
1.5X6X.75 DA HYD CYL

Ram outlet is 3/8" which is alittle to large, this swivel end reduces it back down to 1/4" for your hoses
Quantity: 2
Item Number: 9-1501-6-4
3/8 NPTM x 1/4 NPTF 90 SWIVEL

90* swivels, Need these to connect your hoses to your box
Quantity: 2
Item Number: 9-1501-4-4
1/4 NPTM x 1/4 NPTF 90 SWIVEL

Hoses, these seemed to work well for me, however if you are taller, you may want a few inches longer
Quantity: 2
Item Number: 916-1436
1/4" X 36" 1/4 NPTM X 1/4 NPTM 2750 PSI HYD HOSE

Since your order parts, I'd suggest ordering at least 1 extra piece of each thing, simply to have extras on the trail.

limiting the ram is stupid easy. If you get lost, check out PSC motorsport Tech section for a how-to.

Originally I ran a stock RZ power steering pump. The motor has alot of empty space just behind it, so I extended the reservoir and added a baffle inside. For those who go this route, please note the upper ring is stainless. Try to stay below it.

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I wasn't happy with the output of the stock pump so opted to get a PSC 3rz pump kit. It was not a direct bolt on, but wasn't horrible either.

The pump needs to sit flush against stock bracket. In order for this to happen, some grinding to the stock RZ bracket is needed. This picture below is alittle hard to tell what I did, but once you have the two in hand, its pretty self explanatory.

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Next thing to do is drill out and tap the PSC pump. I tapped it for 10mmx1.50 threads. This is just a hair bigger then the stock holes and works perfectly.

Backside hole:
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 Front side:

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The pulley is a huge PITA to press on. (yes I used a pulley installed) I left the pulley about 1/8" or so from sitting flush so the belt would align better when installed. Its not going anywhere as even getting it on this far was difficult.

The pump then mounts flush to the face of the RZ bracket.

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 Add a few washers on the back side to fill the gap, and its not being held on by 3 bolts.

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With a simple 90* bracket, the reservoir fits barely lol

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I ended up grabbing a 45* fitting for the reservoir to make the feed loop alittle smaller. The loop looks like  :thumbdown: , but its all I can really do. These fittings are expensive FYI

The Hi-pressure line they supply is a DIY version. I think it should be ok, but may get a crimped version later down the road.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: rcbro on Feb 09, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
The ram mounting for most setups should work great. (due to my low ride height, and rz motor I will be moving the ram forward of the axle. I have little uptravel and run into hitting issues with this setup. After a bunch of research, this was the best route, just not for my setup)

Pictures at full droop

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Pictures are ride height (here you can see my clearance issues. Mind you, I'm low.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: HogCanyonHopper on Feb 09, 2014, 11:27:59 AM
very nice. good job on getting that bracket to work. I cheated and bought one from Chilkat  :biggthumpup:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: OldGold3VZE on Mar 07, 2014, 01:09:41 AM
I would suggest welding some rings on either side of that tie rod bracket to keep it from sliding. There's a lot of force there.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: rcbro on May 03, 2014, 08:03:59 PM
I would suggest welding some rings on either side of that tie rod bracket to keep it from sliding. There's a lot of force there.

The welds are on the front side of the tiered, just hard to see with the picture angles. Due to clearance issues, I ended up purchasing a psc ram with heims ends so I could lay it flat.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lostbuckaroo on Jun 03, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
Ok dumb question:

I've got everything mounted except a final mounting location for my reservoir... I bought the basic alum. reservoir with that can be found at speedway motor (however I bought mine from Amazon).. If I've read everything correctly the reservoir has to be the highest component of the system..meaning the bottom of the reservoir must be higher than the pump inlet... This reservoir is 9" tall alone, ad the barbed AN elbow fitting on the bottom it's easily 10" tall all together... Where are you guys mounting this reservoir? The only place I can see I could mount it would be on the firewall next to the Brake booster. Anywhere near the fender would be too high to close the hood, and or too low to feed the pump properly... any help or suggestions would be much appreciated..

BTW i've got an 84' pickup/ Running a 22r - Thanks all

Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lostbuckaroo on Jun 05, 2014, 08:59:16 AM
Here's my redneck res mount... I threw together a bunch of left over stuff I had here, my first mount didn't work.. this is round #2 I put this thing as I high as I could possibly get it...  With the AN fitting on the bottom this thing is over 10" tall... Seems to work so far..

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: HogCanyonHopper on Jun 05, 2014, 03:18:54 PM
you dont want to see the  okie fenokee  mount for my res.   :ha_ha:

:haha:
             
               bailing wire and bungee cord  :_oops: (temporary till I get something better fabbed in)
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lostbuckaroo on Jun 06, 2014, 06:53:01 AM
you dont want to see the  okie fenokee  mount for my res.   :ha_ha:

:haha:
             
               bailing wire and bungee cord  :_oops: (temporary till I get something better fabbed in)

 :beerchug:
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: konayota on Sep 16, 2014, 09:39:18 AM
My setup, stock pump, stock reservoir, small cooler. Works fine for what it is. I had a hard time steering with the Detroit front locker, now it's pretty easy. I definitely need a better pump and bigger reservoir though.
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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: lucky7 on Feb 16, 2015, 06:52:51 PM
My 94 runner has the line from the pump going into the abs. Can I bypass this or wtf anybody know??? Thanks
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: ChadStich on Dec 26, 2016, 11:08:10 PM
Has anyone used this ram?

http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydraulics/Hydraulic-Cylinders/Double-Acting-Hydraulic-Cylinders/1-5X6X1-DA-HYD-CYL-SWIVEL-EYES-9-7258-6.axd

I like the rod ends better than the one that is most commonly used but was wondering about the 1" rod instead of the 3/4" rod? I dont know much about these but would this slow down the steering? Also if I left the same 6 ports and used as 6 to jic 6 90 degree fitting and then jic 6 ends on 1/4" hose would I have issues with it slowing the steering? Also I have a psc tc pump.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Odyknuck on Apr 07, 2017, 11:19:00 AM
I would like to know this too as i do like the flexibility of Hiem ends. If you bend the bar its attached to the hiem will self adjust. I spoke with Surplus Center tech support on what the difference would be with the 1" shaft and he said the retract would be a little less power however overall it would be a faster cylinder. He could not recommend one over the other.
Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Odyknuck on Apr 08, 2017, 02:07:38 PM
Well it would appear this thread is dead,  bummer as a lot of good info here.  Ended up buying the same ram as everyone else.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Odyknuck on Jun 10, 2017, 04:15:53 PM
Got my setup done. Decided to go with trailgears pump kit.

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Title: Re: Hydro assist on the cheap
Post by: Odyknuck on Jun 10, 2017, 04:19:25 PM
Got my setup done. Decided to go with trailgears pump kit.

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