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15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« on: Apr 15, 2014, 06:51:20 AM »
I have a set of 15x10 wide with 6x6.5 bolt pattern steel rims that I'm trying to trade for a set of 15x8 wide with 6x6.5 bolt pattern and located in citrus heights ca

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #1 on: Mar 08, 2016, 02:07:22 PM »
I have a set of 5 15 x 8 rims if you still have the 10 wide rims. Text me at 775 666 5036   out by Reno.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #2 on: Mar 08, 2016, 04:13:17 PM »
Don't mean to :pokinit: on your parade, but why would anyone trade 8s for 10s? 8s hold beads incredibly well while 10s throw them like Peyton Manning.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #3 on: Mar 08, 2016, 04:59:53 PM »
The post is from 2014 !! Hahahha
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #4 on: Mar 08, 2016, 05:00:56 PM »
The post is from 2014 !! Hahahha

ROFL I just saw it in my "recent unread" posts. That is hilarious!  :ha_ha:

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #5 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:14:40 PM »
Don't mean to :pokinit: on your parade, but why would anyone trade 8s for 10s? 8s hold beads incredibly well while 10s throw them like Peyton Manning.

It is impressive how much wider the track on my 4Runner on 10s looks compared to CrankyCrawlers on 8s. We both run 35x12.50 tires. I always think he is still running the narrow width rear axle housing...but he can go to lower pressures without losing a bead. On the last Moab trip I had a malfunctioning air gave so went down a few lbs lower than intended and ended up with a bead leak. It was so low it sounded different running in the sand and gravel. I didn't lose a bead though.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #6 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:16:29 PM »
It is impressive how much wider the track on my 4Runner on 10s looks compared to CrankyCrawlers on 8s. We both run 35x12.50 tires. I always think he is still running the narrow width rear axle housing...but he can go to lower pressures without losing a bead. On the last Moab trip I had a malfunctioning air gave so went down a few lbs lower than intended and ended up with a bead leak. It was so low it sounded different running in the sand and gravel. I didn't lose a bead though.

I've done some gnarly wheeling on 8" and never lost a bead. I am a big believer in the difference.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #7 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:21:01 PM »
I've done some gnarly wheeling on 8" and never lost a bead. I am a big believer in the difference.

Your MTRs were a higher load rating, right?  Mine are and will be "C". I think the MTRs are more like the Toyo with a "D" or "E" rating?  That will add to the ability to hold the bead at low air pressure.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #8 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:21:12 PM »
how much of a difference are we talkin? I just put my 36x13.5 bias iroks on 10's because that was all I had...
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #9 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:24:35 PM »
Your MTRs were a higher load rating, right?  Mine are and will be "C". I think the MTRs are more like the Toyo with a "D" or "E" rating?  That will add to the ability to hold the bead at low air pressure.

Negative, my MTRs were a C.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #10 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:37:58 PM »
Negative my MTRs were a C.

They didn't seem to squat much for the low tire pressure you had the last time we wheeled. I would guess your sidewall were less flexible which isn't necessarily good or bad.

I have no doubt that 8s hold a bead better, but I doubt you would have an issue with losing beads running 10s. A lot of it comes back to awareness of the driver. I have never lost one but have pushed to the point of releasing a little air.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #11 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:41:10 PM »
They didn't seem to squat much for the low tire pressure you had the last time we wheeled. I would guess your sidewall were less flexible which isn't necessarily good or bad.

I have no doubt that 8s hold a bead better, but I doubt you would have an issue with losing beads running 10s. A lot of it comes back to awareness of the driver. I have never lost one but have pushed to the point of releasing a little air.

I disagree. It is pretty well known that 10s throw a bead much easier. The best analogy is to take a rubber band and stretch it between your two fingers. The closer you get to the edge of your finger tip the closer you are to firing the rubber band. Imagine an 8 as being much closer to the center of your finger tip where as a 10 is closer to the edge. Now take into account outside effects (i.e. obstacles which make it easier for the rubber band to snap).

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #12 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:49:25 PM »
I disagree. It is pretty well known that 10s throw a bead much easier. The best analogy is to take a rubber band and stretch it between your two fingers. The closer you get to the edge of your finger tip the closer you are to firing the rubber band. Imagine an 8 as being much closer to the center of your finger tip where as a 10 is closer to the edge. Now take into account outside effects (i.e. obstacles which make it easier for the rubber band to snap).

I have never run the same tire on an 8 inch and 10 inch wheel so can't make a personal comparison.  I don't doubt that there is a difference, I know CrankyCrawler can air down a bit lower than me and still be comfortable for a day of wheeling. His truck has a bit less weight and our tires are different so it is hard to isolate any specific factor.

Let's just get our air pressures where we want them in Moab and keep the tires rolling!
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #13 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:52:23 PM »
I have never run the same tire on an 8 inch and 10 inch wheel so can't make a personal comparison.  I don't doubt that there is a difference, I know CrankyCrawler can air down a bit lower than me and still be comfortable for a day of wheeling. His truck has a bit less weight and our tires are different so it is hard to isolate any specific factor.

Let's just get our air pressures where we want them in Moab and keep the tires rolling!

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #14 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:56:22 PM »
This will be something that I will have to play with a bit on this trip because I had my KMs pretty dialed in for where I was comfortable running them at with minimal risk of losing air or a bead. I would guess the Coopers can be run a bit lower.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #15 on: Mar 08, 2016, 06:57:13 PM »
This will be something that I will have to play with a bit on this trip because I had my KMs pretty dialed in for where I was comfortable running them at with minimal risk of losing air or a bead. I would guess the Coopers can be run a bit lower.

Couldn't speak to it. 8 PSI is a good rule of thumb for 8" rims. I would think 10-12 would be around where you want to be with 10s.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #16 on: Mar 08, 2016, 07:04:19 PM »
Couldn't speak to it. 8 PSI is a good rule of thumb for 8" rims. I would think 10-12 would be around where you want to be with 10s.

I generally have run right around 10 in Moab because the trips on the road are not too long. I will stay in the 12-14 psi range if I know I will have a long trip home (i.e. Elephant Hill). I have run close to 8 psi without issues, but that's starting to push it.

I will probably shoot for 10 psi and see how they squish on the way down.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #17 on: Mar 08, 2016, 07:06:03 PM »
I generally have run right around 10 in Moab because the trips on the road are not too long. I will stay in the 12-14 psi range if I know I will have a long trip home (i.e. Elephant Hill). I have run close to 8 psi without issues, but that's starting to push it.

I will probably shoot for 10 psi and see how they squish on the way down.

See I run 6 PSI at Reiter which is wet sharp rock and never lost a bead. A good showing for 8" rims. I don't have to worry about the trip home as I have a c02 tank for airing back up.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #18 on: Mar 08, 2016, 07:39:39 PM »
See I run 6 PSI at Reiter which is wet sharp rock and never lost a bead. A good showing for 8" rims. I don't have to worry about the trip home as I have a c02 tank for airing back up.

That is why I assumed a higher load rating. Your MTRs at 6 psi looked to have less squat than my KMs in the 8-10 psi range. I don't know if you could run the KMs that low with the same success. Between the 37s and what I would assume is a pretty solid sidewall you may be able to go pretty low with the PBRs.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #19 on: Mar 08, 2016, 08:11:03 PM »
That is why I assumed a higher load rating. Your MTRs at 6 psi looked to have less squat than my KMs in the 8-10 psi range. I don't know if you could run the KMs that low with the same success. Between the 37s and what I would assume is a pretty solid sidewall you may be able to go pretty low with the PBRs.

I was running 8 that day we went to Reiter. It was not wet that day. I hope you are right about the PBRs.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #20 on: Mar 09, 2016, 10:56:12 AM »
I have seen 10s flub a bead easier than 8s over the years too.  So much depends on the tire though.

Shiny chrome looses beads easier than the same rim in paint too.  Of course nobody runs chrome these days anyway.

I always run 8s for 12.50s myself.  That being said, I do like the look of 10s with short fat tires.  One day I'm going to do an island boy build on a 1st gen with some fat PBRs or TSL SX just to look fun.  Might even run a fart can muffler on it.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #21 on: Mar 09, 2016, 04:03:20 PM »
I run 3-6psi on 15x10's with both 33 BFG AT's or the 35 MT's. I used to run steel 15x8's w/33's, usually lost a bead every trip out in the snow, went to 15x10's, rarely lost one a season.

I disagree. It is pretty well known that 10s throw a bead much easier........
Bead retention has a lot more to do with the size of the bead strip on the wheel than the width, IME, aluminum rims have thinner bead strip, which usually allows the bead to pop me easily.  Sidewall stiffness also effects how well the tire retains the bead, a soft or well broken in sidewall seems to do better on 10's than 8's when the rim is made of the same material.

Don't mean to :pokinit: on your parade, but why would anyone trade 8s for 10s? 8s hold beads incredibly well while 10s throw them like Peyton Manning.

A couple of reasons, 10's will flatten out the tire sidewall more, increasing your flotation, and more importantly they give you a wider track, which gives you a lower center of gravity than the 8's will w/the same backspacing.







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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #22 on: Mar 09, 2016, 04:33:35 PM »
You can believe what you like. I know for a fact that 8s hold beads better and the off-road community has a consensus on it. Do some searching on pirate, here, and any other 4x4 forum and you will find that I'm not alone in my thought process. Its really very simple. The more you widen the rim the more pressure is on the bead. This pressure equates to an easier ability for losing said bead.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #23 on: Mar 09, 2016, 06:43:38 PM »
i believe tire width has a lot to do with this, my 1st truck was a 89 single cab, I was running Alcoa rim 15x14, on mickey Thompson 39x18.5x15. ran down to 5psi all the time, never lost a bead
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #24 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:07:36 PM »
I think that an 8 inch wheel will almost always hold a bead better than a 10 inch wheel using the same tire.  I also think that it is entirely possible for someone to have an 8 inch wheel and tire combination that would lose the bead more easily than a different 10 inch wheel and tire combination. There are a lot of factors in play.

The extreme examples are a rim that pulls the bead in from its natural spacing between sidewalls when not mounted and the goofy setups where the sidewall is actually push led way out which relies on air pressure to hold the bead.
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #25 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:15:10 PM »
I think that an 8 inch wheel will almost always hold a bead better than a 10 inch wheel using the same tire.  I also think that it is entirely possible for someone to have an 8 inch wheel and tire combination that would lose the bead more easily than a different 10 inch wheel and tire combination. There are a lot of factors in play.

The extreme examples are a rim that pulls the bead in from its natural spacing between sidewalls when not mounted and the goofy setups where the sidewall is actually push led way out which relies on air pressure to hold the bead.

so you think a 8" rim would be better on a 35x14.5x15?
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #26 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:29:27 PM »
so you think a 8" rim would be better on a 35x14.5x15?

I was thinking in terms of tires a little closer to the 12.50 width. For that size the discussion might be 10 vs. 12 as at some point the narrowness of the wheel could result in other failure mechanisms.

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #27 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:30:42 PM »
It's like deflategate all over again!
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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #28 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:32:08 PM »
It's like deflategate all over again!

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Re: 15x10 steel rims trade for 15x8 steels
« Reply #29 on: Mar 09, 2016, 07:37:23 PM »
whats deflategate?

Not a football fan?
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