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Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« on: Dec 28, 2002, 12:40:56 AM »
Hello, I'm new to this board and I have a tranny problem and I know you guys are the experts. Here's my dilema. My g52 tranny is shot and I need to find another 5spd for a resonable price. However, I would like to swap a w56 in place of it. My question is will it bolt up to the t-case that goes with the g-52 transmission or will  I need to get the t-case that goes with the w56. I know the shifters are in a different place and would have to do some swapping there. Thank you in advance for any info.
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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #1 on: Dec 30, 2002, 01:01:48 PM »
Hey,

I just put a g52 in my runner where a w56 once belonged, I called Marlin and he told me the following.
-you'll need a new shift boot, the g52 points towards the driver with the main shifter and away at the tcase boot goes away
-the g52 was originally designed for trucks with a bench seat, hence the funny shifter placement
-the g52 is 30% weaker, with a lower reverse gear and a .02 higher first gear ratio (big deal)  
-but as to your question, marlin told me that everything else is totally the same, same output, same bellhousing pattern, the whole shibang.  Does that help?  somebody feel free to edit if I made some mistakes, but I'm passing on everything exactly as  it was told to me.  good luck :)
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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #2 on: Dec 31, 2002, 03:06:52 AM »
Thanks for the info. I've just found a w56 with the tcase still attached for 200 bucks. Not a bad deal. So now I can just swap the whole works. Good things come to those who wait.
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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #3 on: Jan 07, 2003, 08:54:14 PM »
what did the g52 come in?is that like a 90's tranny? :dunno:
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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #4 on: Jan 07, 2003, 10:53:12 PM »
I believe the G52 came in 84-88 carbed trucks while the W56 came in 85-88 EFI trucks.
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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #5 on: Jan 08, 2003, 10:47:45 AM »
Yes the g52 came in 84-88 carb. The w56 came in all fuel injected models up to 95.
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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #6 on: Dec 16, 2003, 04:47:15 PM »
Any one else have a W56 with T case for sale?

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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #7 on: Jan 05, 2004, 10:41:18 PM »
84/85' G52's and 85/88' G54's are always carburatored forward shifting bench seat style transmissions, with a 4 1/2" forward shifting t-case. Whereas 85/88 (early style) W56's are always EFI top shifting bucket seat style transmissions and a top shifting t-case. 89/95 (late style) W56's were always EFI and available bench or bucket seat with a 4" forward top shifting t-case.

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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #8 on: Jan 07, 2004, 06:05:17 PM »
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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #9 on: Jan 17, 2004, 06:06:30 PM »
84/85' G52's and 85/88' G54's are always carburatored forward shifting bench seat style transmissions, with a 4 1/2" forward shifting t-case. Whereas 85/88 (early style) W56's are always EFI top shifting bucket seat style transmissions and a top shifting t-case. 89/95 (late style) W56's were always EFI and available bench or bucket seat with a 4" forward top shifting t-case.
Very interesting.   4" verses 4.5" forward TCase.  
Does this mean that if I want to replace my G52 with a late style
W56, I would have to replace the shifting rods in my tcase with
4" ones ?
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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #10 on: Jan 17, 2004, 06:27:17 PM »
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Very interesting.   4" verses 4.5" forward TCase.  
Does this mean that if I want to replace my G52 with a late style
W56, I would have to replace the shifting rods in my tcase with
4" ones ?
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Toyota makes two styles of forward type shift rods;
4.5"  84-88 carboratored G52, G54, and  86-87 EFI turbo R151F
4" 89-95 EFI p/up, 90-95 4Runner.
Yes, the t-case would have to be opened up and the rods replaced.
We have many rods in stock-sounds like a trade up :wave:
Give us a call 8) 8)

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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #11 on: Jan 19, 2004, 09:52:21 PM »
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Toyota makes two styles of forward type shift rods;
4.5"  84-88 carboratored G52, G54, and  86-87 EFI turbo R151F
4" 89-95 EFI p/up, 90-95 4Runner.
Yes, the t-case would have to be opened up and the rods replaced.
We have many rods in stock-sounds like a trade up :wave:
Give us a call 8) 8)
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When my G52 craps out (if ever, over 220,000 miles and still going strong) I will be calling you, either for a W56 or R151F upgrade.  Running 4.88's now, so a lower 1st  would be really nice.
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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #12 on: Jan 20, 2004, 12:37:52 AM »
G52/54  1st 3.93   Rev 4.74
W56      1st 3.95   Rev 4.09
R151F   1st 4.31   Rev 4.23

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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #13 on: Jan 20, 2004, 06:56:17 PM »
i got a 83 5speed in my 87 runner with dule case it;s about 2'' over stock with the up grade bearing works grate. need to trade my 85 carb fore anther one for my forula toy
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Re:Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #14 on: Jan 20, 2004, 07:17:23 PM »
i got a 83 5speed in my 87 runner with dule case it;s about 2'' over stock with the up grade bearing works grate. need to trade my 85 carb fore anther one for my forula toy
Remember to go easy on 5th gear, its the weakest on the 83 L52 trans. Running it hard in 4th, is ok--its the strongest, coolest, and will last the longest :driving:

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2004, 07:15:51 PM »
I have a '85 L52.  Does anyone know which other gears are strong and weak?  I see 5 is bad, and 4th is good, how about the rest.
Thanks in advance, Brian.

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2004, 10:07:30 PM »
BigBri, are you sure you have a 85 L52????
The case iron L52 was only made for two years--late 82 thur 83.
In all Toyota transmissions, the strongest gear is 4th, then 3rd, 2nd, 1th, 5th, with Rev being the weakest.
In general, the newer the trans the better.
The R [88-02 R150F V6 and 4 cyl turbo 86-87 R151F] is the best, then W56 [85-95 efi], Next, G52,54 [84-88 carb], and finally the L series [79-80 L43, 81-83 L45,L50,L52 ].

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2004, 05:04:08 PM »
Oops, I think I meant G52  :redface:
Thanks for the info Mr. Marlin!  It looks like 4th gear is my best friend.
Appreciate the info, Brian.

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2004, 10:50:59 PM »
Are the L-45 transmissions any good?  That's what I've got in my truck, and I hope it's good because if not I'd have to go to an L-52 HD, which wouldn't be a bad thing.  Please let me know if this is a good tranny or not - Nick

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2004, 10:12:11 PM »
Nick, all L45 4 speed 81-82 trans had the smaller 75mm front input bearing :(
However, because your trans is missing the 5th speed gear set, this makes it easier on your trans.
Because the 5th gear set is mounted on the outside of the main transmission housing beyond the rear mainshaft bearing [inside the aluminun trans to t-case adapter], using 5th gear puts an added load on the 75mm input bearing.
No 5th gear, no added load!
Now if only Toyota would of made a 83' L45 with the better 80mm input bearing :thumbs:

For the record, i have built a stronger L45 using the 83' big bore cases.

Your L45 4 speed is much better than 79-80 L43 which have a under sized 19mm counter shaft center pin:thumbs:

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #20 on: Jun 01, 2004, 12:37:45 AM »
what can be done to create a stronger 4 speed?  i currently have an l43 in my truck, and seeing how i like to tow stuff i don't like the idea of using 5th on the freeway or screaming at 4000RPMs in 4th if i regeared...the stock 4.38s would seem to put me in the zone with the tires i have

i toyed with the idea of adapting a close ratio T18, but it wouldn't exactly be cost effective since the t-case adaptor is around $500, and the SM465 adaptor to toy bellhousing is about $200(should be able to work with a T18, at least in my mind :crazy: ). 

i want to build my truck for durabilty...more of something i can depend on in the middle of nowhere, not exactly a total all-out rock crawler.  the idea of my transmission blowing up in the middle of nowhere gives me chills :nerv:

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #21 on: Jun 01, 2004, 07:40:54 AM »
So Marlin, if my L45 goes, can I send it into you and have you rebuild it and beef it up for me?
-Nick

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #22 on: Jun 03, 2004, 10:27:06 PM »
kyle-22r,
Unfortunately, the only upgrade, besides always blueprinting the trans, is installing maximum input and output bearings. I always keep a set in stock.
The draw back is that there is no room to increase the bearing bores, and more important, the 19 mm countershaft center pin could not of been increased without a major trans redesign.
Instead of inproving the L43, Aisin Seiko [the manufacture] discontinued the trans that was built from 1971 to 1980. 71' to 74' L42's used a 17 mm pin, 75' to 80' L43's got the improved 19mm centerpin. On a side note, the 2wd boxes, used bronze countershaft bushings instead of the longer lasting 4x4 style cage bearings.
One of the most important measurements, to make the L43 stand up to the task, is to keep the countershaft end play to .005" to .008". When the gears are allowed run out of line, failure is certain :_oops:

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Re: Tranny Swap questions on the w56 and g52
« Reply #23 on: Jun 03, 2004, 11:33:24 PM »
81Toy4x,
All L45 4 speeds, and L50 5 speeds, had the 75mm x 20mm, 63/32RNZ input bearing. This is also the front bearing on the lower counter gear of the transfercase.
Although Toyota never had a recall, the dealer did replace failed 63/32 roller bearings [$15.00] with a pin roller style bearing, 032-2 [$42.00]. Unfortunately, the more expensitive 032-2 [75mm x 20 mm] bearing has also had a poor service record.

In late 82', the new, redesigned L52 was introduced which featured a 80mm x 20mm, B32-14UR or [32BC08] input bearing. This improved roller bearing had much larger balls, and has had a fair service record.
This upgrade required a new larger nosecone and the matching overbored case.
Since the L52 case is the most sought after of the early cast iron boxes, [to someone who cares], I long ago begin boring the early case and nosecone to accept the improved $28.00 bearing.

I have built L45's using the 80 x 20 mm case and bearing. Everthing from your current trans will go right togeather.

My L52HD trans uses a 80 x 23 mm closed face bearing that has an excellent service record and as a added bonus, the improved gear set also has a greater helix angle resulting in more tooth contact for a stronger yet transmission.

Although i have never had the opportunity, come to think of it, i could use the 80 x 23mm bearing, and build a L45HD.

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