Author Topic: 2TR-FE Swap!? (Read 89714 times)

wslytoy · « **Reply #30 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 09:10:39 AM »

Quote from: BigMike on Apr 10, 2009, 07:32:22 AM

So at your rate, the 2005 2TR should be about a $3,000 swap in the fall of 2009.

I bought my 1995 T100 3RZ for $350 (everything complete) in July of 2004. The following spring we purchased 3 other 3RZ-FEs for around $650-$700 each (everything complete).

It would be cool to find a 2TR-FE for about a grand. You know these swaps are gonna start happening soon!

maybe yall could pioneer this??? Motor mounts and other swap parts

BigMike · « **Reply #31 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 09:55:18 AM »

If someone gave me the engine and all parts needed I would convert my truck starting tonight

wslytoy · « **Reply #32 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:02:21 AM »

Quote from: BigMike on Apr 10, 2009, 09:55:18 AM

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TacoRunner · « **Reply #33 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:36:24 AM »

At this point the 3RZ is strong enough that it really doesn't make any sence to go from a 3RZ to a 2TR. Toyota will have to make a 4Cyl 3.0 for me to change mine. And even then I may not, unless they can gain some serious power. Like, say another 40 ft lbs and 30hp.

wslytoy · « **Reply #34 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:43:21 AM »

Quote from: TacoRunner on Apr 10, 2009, 11:36:24 AM

At this point the 3RZ is strong enough that it really doesn't make any sence to go from a 3RZ to a 2TR. Toyota will have to make a 4Cyl 3.0 for me to change mine. And even then I may not, unless they can gain some serious power. Like, say another 40 ft lbs and 30hp.

I agree. BUT, the market will be there for the swap. I'm just curious who is going to cash in on it. If there was more knowledge out there about the swap, and more engines readily available, many would be doing it just b/c of the newness and the extra power. It's just not cost effective right now.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #35 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:45:04 AM »

Factory Rating
22RE/2.4 2RZ/2.4 3RZ/2.7     2TR/2.7 5VZ/3.4 1GR 4.0 1UZ/4.7 Imaginary I4 3.0
HP   115 142     150     159     190   240     282 177

Torque 145 160 177 180 220 78 325 200

Ok I'd consider that.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #36 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:46:47 AM »

Factory Rating
22RE/2.4 2RZ/2.4 3RZ/2.7     2TR/2.7 5VZ/3.4 1GR 4.0 1UZ/4.7 Imaginary I4 3.0
HP   115 142     150     159     190   240     282 177

Tor 145 160 177 180 220 78 325 200

Ok I'd consider that.

If bolts up to my tranny.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #37 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:47:16 AM »

Why is my post all messed up.

BigMike help.

BigMike · « **Reply #38 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:48:50 AM »

I would (and if I have the money, "will") consider "upgrading" from a 3RZ to a 2RT.

I would be interested in the better fuel economy and faaaaaar wider power band thanks to VVTi.

TacoRunner · « **Reply #39 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:52:01 AM »

Yes, but you are assuming the power band is wider. Have you seen a dyno yet?

TacoRunner · « **Reply #40 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 11:56:36 AM »

Quote from: wslytoy on Apr 10, 2009, 11:43:21 AM

I agree. BUT, the market will be there for the swap. I'm just curious who is going to cash in on it. If there was more knowledge out there about the swap, and more engines readily available, many would be doing it just b/c of the newness and the extra power. It's just not cost effective right now.

True

BigMike · « **Reply #41 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 04:14:53 PM »

Quote from: TacoRunner on Apr 10, 2009, 11:52:01 AM

Yes, but you are assuming the power band is wider. Have you seen a dyno yet?

Ohh I don't assume. I've seen Dyno pulls from other VVTi vs. non-VVTi Toyota engines

EDIT: I thought for sure I had dyno shots of a 20-valve 4A-GE silver top (non-VVT) vs. a black top (VVT) but I can't seem to find any good pics.

Here is an example from a V8, which I'd prefer not to use as reference, but alas its all I could find. Notice how the fuel mapping is FAAAAR more early on and still holds out the the bitter end. I understand at 80-100% of the RPM range the torque of the VVT may be less than that without VVT, but I don't demand torque at 5,700 RPM in my Rock Crawler but rather at 1,000-3,000 where the 3RZ is lacking in my opinion:

TacoRunner · « **Reply #42 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 04:54:33 PM »

Wow thats really not a very good illistration.

87pickup · « **Reply #43 on:** Apr 10, 2009, 07:21:31 PM »

Quote from: TacoRunner on Apr 10, 2009, 04:54:33 PM

Wow thats really not a very good illistration.

x2

THK Matt · « **Reply #44 on:** Apr 11, 2009, 08:59:28 PM »

double click on them.... they enlarge

TacoRunner · « **Reply #45 on:** Apr 12, 2009, 09:21:58 PM »

I don't mean that the illustrations are poor. I mean it's not a good comparison for the topic. It's poor in that it fails to back up or give validity to the argument.

BigMike · « **Reply #46 on:** Apr 13, 2009, 07:31:06 AM »

TacoRunner is right.. If I can find a better comparison, I'll post up.

Until then, I cannot prove that the VVT-i provides a wider power band until we get some dyno proof

Carry on