2TR-FE Swap!?

[wslytoy]

So at your rate, the 2005 2TR should be about a $3,000 swap in the fall of 2009.

I bought my 1995 T100 3RZ for $350 (everything complete) in July of 2004. The following spring we purchased 3 other 3RZ-FEs for around $650-$700 each (everything complete).

It would be cool to find a 2TR-FE for about a grand. You know these swaps are gonna start happening soon!

maybe yall could pioneer this??? Motor mounts and other swap parts

[BigMike]

If someone gave me the engine and all parts needed I would convert my truck starting tonight

[wslytoy]

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[TacoRunner]

At this point the 3RZ is strong enough that it really doesn't make any sence to go from a 3RZ to a 2TR. Toyota will have to make a 4Cyl 3.0 for me to change mine. And even then I may not, unless they can gain some serious power. Like, say another 40 ft lbs and 30hp.

[wslytoy]

At this point the 3RZ is strong enough that it really doesn't make any sence to go from a 3RZ to a 2TR. Toyota will have to make a 4Cyl 3.0 for me to change mine. And even then I may not, unless they can gain some serious power. Like, say another 40 ft lbs and 30hp.

I agree. BUT, the market will be there for the swap. I'm just curious who is going to cash in on it. If there was more knowledge out there about the swap, and more engines readily available, many would be doing it just b/c of the newness and the extra power. It's just not cost effective right now.

[TacoRunner]

Factory Rating                     
         22RE/2.4   2RZ/2.4      3RZ/2.7       2TR/2.7     5VZ/3.4    1GR   4.0     1UZ/4.7    Imaginary I4 3.0
HP   115          142       150          159            190   240      282             177
Torque   145     160       177          180            220   78      325             200


Ok I'd consider that.

[TacoRunner]

Factory Rating                     
         22RE/2.4   2RZ/2.4      3RZ/2.7       2TR/2.7     5VZ/3.4    1GR   4.0     1UZ/4.7    Imaginary I4 3.0
 HP   115          142       150          159            190   240      282             177
Tor   145     160       177          180            220   78      325             200


Ok I'd consider that.

If bolts up to my tranny.

[TacoRunner]

Why is my post all messed up.


BigMike help.

[BigMike]

I would (and if I have the money, "will") consider "upgrading" from a 3RZ to a 2RT.

I would be interested in the better fuel economy and faaaaaar wider power band thanks to VVTi.

[TacoRunner]

Yes, but you are assuming the power band is wider.   Have you seen a dyno yet?

[TacoRunner]

I agree. BUT, the market will be there for the swap. I'm just curious who is going to cash in on it. If there was more knowledge out there about the swap, and more engines readily available, many would be doing it just b/c of the newness and the extra power. It's just not cost effective right now.

True

[BigMike]

Yes, but you are assuming the power band is wider.   Have you seen a dyno yet?

Ohh I don't assume. I've seen Dyno pulls from other VVTi vs. non-VVTi Toyota engines


EDIT: I thought for sure I had dyno shots of a 20-valve 4A-GE silver top (non-VVT) vs. a black top (VVT) but I can't seem to find any good pics.

Here is an example from a V8, which I'd prefer not to use as reference, but alas its all I could find. Notice how the fuel mapping is FAAAAR more early on and still holds out the the bitter end. I understand at 80-100% of the RPM range the torque of the VVT may be less than that without VVT, but I don't demand torque at 5,700 RPM in my Rock Crawler but rather at 1,000-3,000 where the 3RZ is lacking in my opinion:

[TacoRunner]

Wow thats really not a very good illistration.

[87pickup]

Wow thats really not a very good illistration.

x2

[THK]

double click on them.... they enlarge

[TacoRunner]

I don't mean that the illustrations are poor. I mean it's not a good comparison for the topic. It's poor in that it fails to back up or give validity to the argument.

[BigMike]

TacoRunner is right.. If I can find a better comparison, I'll post up.

Until then, I cannot prove that the VVT-i provides a wider power band until we get some dyno proof


Carry on

[vortectoy]

I will post some pics tonight of my 05 2tr in my 94 sidekick. Got some work to get done first.

[TacoRunner]

I will post some pics tonight of my 05 2tr in my 94 sidekick. Got some work to get done first.

Well hurry it up then.

[wslytoy]

Well hurry it up then.

for reals...

[vortectoy]

Well hurry it up then.

Sorry been busy busy. Lots of detail work left.

[THK]

damn that's a stuff 'n a half

[yoat herder]

Nice, got any pics of the rig?

[vortectoy]

Nice, got any pics of the rig?

Here are a couple.

[TacoRunner]

Thats awesome, I love that thing. Get it running and start posting more pic's. PLEASE. And get it dynoed so we can see what kind of power it makes.

[BigMike]

More various pics around the engine please

[kneedownnate]

[wslytoy]

oh man what a sweet @ss build! I can't believe you held out on us until just now haha!

[vortectoy]

Thats awesome, I love that thing. Get it running and start posting more pic's. PLEASE. And get it dynoed so we can see what kind of power it makes.

It runs but its not trail worthy yet. Couple more weeks and it will be ready for a shakedown run.

[TacoRunner]

Where do you live?