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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #210 on: Jun 04, 2007, 09:16:19 PM »
I think that it should come in this kit.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #211 on: Jun 05, 2007, 06:02:33 AM »
You might try looking in your local phone book under seals. Most seal suppliers also have a large selection of orings.
In Oklahoma City we have Seal Co, They have every oring imaginable.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #212 on: Jun 05, 2007, 08:50:38 PM »
I might pick up another rebuild kit or try and find a place in sacramento that i can buy a bigger o-ring. Sucks because i want to go to the con this weekend.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #213 on: Jun 07, 2007, 08:37:30 AM »
Anyone else have problems getting the 10mm allen screw loose. I completly strippped mine. Am I retarded?

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #214 on: Jun 07, 2007, 10:25:11 AM »
Hey Marc

I just spoke to you on the phone, and I called Freds40, and he said that he recommends disassembling the box as much as you can, and then maybe welding your allen socket to the stripped bolt to extract it. Then you could grind the welds off to save your allen socket.

Another method that I've done with stripped out bolts is to drill down the center of the bolt with a bit that is about 80% of the hole size, and then take a drimmel to grind the bolt from the inside to weaken it (it will become thin), and then take a chisel and hammer the bolt from its side to collapse it and pull it out with some pliers.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #215 on: Jun 07, 2007, 10:30:24 AM »
Hey Marc

I just spoke to you on the phone, and I called Freds40, and he said that he recommends disassembling the box as much as you can, and then maybe welding your allen socket to the stripped bolt to extract it. Then you could grind the welds off to save your allen socket.

Sorry Mike, I wasn't clear on that one. You could weld a bolt or nut to the top of the allen screw and then use a wrench to twist the screw out. I've had a lot of success freeing stuck bolts this way.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #216 on: Jun 07, 2007, 04:14:44 PM »
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #217 on: Jun 07, 2007, 11:44:33 PM »
Thanx guys, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to have the shaft turned a certain way or something like that. Then again, if there is anyhting I can do to throw a monkey wrench into a situation, I usually do.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #218 on: Jun 10, 2007, 08:51:12 PM »
I went to the toyota dealership and theres actually a gasket that goes under the end cap. So that was a surprise, the rebuild kit isent complete i guess. It cost 1.50$ and i doubt it will leak once i get it in.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #219 on: Jun 14, 2007, 01:56:00 AM »
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=34383.0;topicseen

I just want to point this out to you all... this is something that you have to keep in mins while working on the box. When I dit my first box I forgot one of those balls and my box crashed. 
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #220 on: Jun 14, 2007, 05:10:09 PM »
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=34383.0;topicseen

I just want to point this out to you all... this is something that you have to keep in mins while working on the box. When I dit my first box I forgot one of those balls and my box crashed. 


Thats no joke there. Bad thing about mine is I never took that apart, just pulled it all as one unit!
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #221 on: Jun 17, 2007, 02:31:41 PM »
I think that it should come in this kit.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508309

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Hello,

I was surfing this thread and noticed you asked about combo'ing saginaw pumps with toy boxes...and specifically drilling the pressure side restrictor.  I'm running a pump from PSC...high flow...and a Toy IFS box.  I tapped and rebuilt it.  Upon completion of the build it was a major squeeler.  I drilled out the pressure side box restrictor and it fixed the problem 97%.  I still get a bit of squeel air'd down in the rocks bound up.  But, otherwise it's like driving with one finger.  I found that if you remove the pressure line and find something laying around the shop that tappers (Like punch...even a drill bit might work) you can drop it into the hole and wiggle the fitting (Restrictor) out without removing the box from the vehicle.  I didn't know how much to drill so I did it in steps.  But, with each step it got dramatically better...yes it took a while and a few quarts too.  I basically drilled it to the point there was just enough stem on the fitting to still seat.  Sorry...I foget completely what size I ended at.  But again...I went as far as i could and have the fitting still have a stem that would hold up.

More info...the sag pump is putting out way more than the bax can take and that back the system up and caviation/squeeling kicks in.  This is what the guys at PSC told me.  I've also heard the guts of the IFS box can be opened up...west texas guys do something...to handle the flow.  I didn't have to do that...  if i did, i'd probably install a scout box or simlar matching saginaw box.

I'm now running a D60 with 39 IROKs and it turns great.

Current set up details:

PSC pump
Toy IFS box tapped (not A hole)
1.75 x 8 PSC ram
Simple 3 loop cooler in front of rad
Large res. like on the PSC sight.

Hope that helps. 

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #222 on: Jun 17, 2007, 07:19:48 PM »
NOTPRETTY,

Thanks so much for the useful info the sag pump with toy box. I am going to do as you mention in a month or so. I will also see what can be done in the box. If I come up with anything I will post.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #223 on: Jun 22, 2007, 07:04:36 PM »
Alright i took the box off and apart and noticed a deep groove. That is probley the reason my box leaks so bad out the end cap. Did anyone else notice this groove in there 2nd gen IFS box? Does this serve a purpose? The O-ring seals up against this cylinder wall and i dont possibly see how it could with a big slot in it! Im thinking i have to get a new box...... :confused:



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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #224 on: Jun 22, 2007, 09:44:47 PM »
I think you have termites. Looks like it will need to be replaced.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #225 on: Jun 22, 2007, 10:03:26 PM »
I cant figure out what could have warn that groove in there! Its almost like a chunk just fell off the side....Weird as hell. Sucks because i just drilled,tapped, and rebuilt it 2 months ago.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #226 on: Jun 22, 2007, 10:20:00 PM »
I would be so pissed after tapping my box and seeing that. Sometimes some places purposely do that to cores, so that no one ever reuses them. Maybe that is what happened.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #227 on: Jun 22, 2007, 10:54:09 PM »
I'd say it's junk. Of all the boxes I've been into, I've never seen that before.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #228 on: Jun 23, 2007, 09:30:46 AM »
Ok im just pissed now....This is the box that was on my truck when i got it....what the hell! im throwing this thing out in the street. What a waste of time!  :maddest:
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #229 on: Jun 23, 2007, 09:39:20 AM »
that line is definitely not natural, looks tom e like a mark left by a grinder or cutoff wheel
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #230 on: Jun 23, 2007, 03:31:14 PM »
tHATs fubared...looks like one of the recirculating balls might have escaped
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #231 on: Jun 23, 2007, 06:05:49 PM »
That is what has been on your truck this whole time. I would say it is worth repairing and seeing how it goes. Can't really lose. Use some heavy duty epoxy or JB Weld to fill and smooth out. I am almost willing to bet it would hold and seal.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #232 on: Jun 23, 2007, 07:45:39 PM »
That is what has been on your truck this whole time. I wouls say it is worth repairing and seeing how it goes. Can't really lose. Use some heavy duty epoxy or JB Weld to fill and smooth out. I am almost will to bet it would hold and seal.
was the box leaking when you took it off?
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #233 on: Jun 24, 2007, 11:51:21 AM »
was the box leaking when you took it off?

Its always leaked but not that bad. Then after i rebuilt it, it just poured 2 quarts of ATF out the top in a matter of 3 minutes. I was thinking of welding that gap and smoothing it or using jb weld. But it might not work.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #234 on: Jun 24, 2007, 08:36:50 PM »
Yota4life, I have two empty boxes if you need one. One is old style (86) and one is new style(95). If you want one I'll let it go for 10 bucks plus shipping. The 95 box is tapped already.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #235 on: Jun 24, 2007, 09:00:28 PM »
Yota4life, I have two empty boxes if you need one. One is old style (86) and one is new style(95). If you want one I'll let it go for 10 bucks plus shipping. The 95 box is tapped already.

Hey well i just picked up a complete 94 box today for cheap. So its just the bone housing? I might take you up on that. check what shipping would be to 95608 Carmichael, CA. Thanks
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #236 on: Jun 25, 2007, 07:59:55 PM »
Hey well i just picked up a complete 94 box today for cheap. So its just the bone housing? I might take you up on that. check what shipping would be to 95608 Carmichael, CA. Thanks


I'll check shipping for ya. The 94 and 95 boxes should be the same. It's just a bare housing thats tapped for hydro already. It is done a little different though, but it will work.
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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #237 on: Jun 29, 2007, 10:39:25 PM »
I have read though this thread and theres a lot of good info. thanks for posting it up.

There are a variety of 1/4 NPT hydraulic fittings available with different inside diameters. Which size fittings work best with the average ported stock IFS box and hydraulic assist? It seems like the most popular are a 4 or 6.

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #238 on: Jun 29, 2007, 11:35:48 PM »
I have read though this thread and theres a lot of good info. thanks for posting it up.

There are a variety of 1/4 NPT hydraulic fittings available with different inside diameters. Which size fittings work best with the average ported stock IFS box and hydraulic assist? It seems like the most popular are a 4 or 6.
1/4" is the same as #4, 3/8" is #6.  hydro line is measured in AN sizes, being 1/16th of an inch.  thus, 4/16=1/4

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Re: Hydro Assist:box and pump mods
« Reply #239 on: Jul 08, 2007, 07:27:57 PM »
Well i ended up using JB weld to fill the crevice and i smoothed it with a die grinder. Put the Correct 0-ring on and it dosent leak at all now! I was really excited about that. Ran the rubicon saturday and it worked great. Wow jb weld does wonders. :)
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