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85 Long Bed Work Truck
« on: Dec 05, 2018, 06:22:53 AM »
Started looking at this truck last year when we needed parts for other trucks. Specifically the Montana Runner and 300K's 85 excab swap on a 112 wheelbase. (Probably why 300K was able to finish the Charouleau Gap with his stock truck on 31s.)

Pictures sent to us to make the sale at $1200.

 



Pictures after paying $600












OOPS! Wrong Picture.  :yupyup:





Plan is to drop a new 22re into this truck and put her on 32s. Need seats from the junk yard. New tires. Planning to do this during 300K's semester break.

Pictures after removing lots of garbage and more garbage...









Okay...need a little more than an engine, seats, and tires.


« Last Edit: Jan 07, 2019, 11:44:17 AM by AZ Rockit »
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #1 on: Dec 06, 2018, 10:31:18 AM »
Appears the 22re Performance Stage 2 motor will be completed in about a week. If the R151F ship time from WA is any indication, should have the new motor in a couple weeks. Hope it doesn't rain over 300K's semester break!

https://22reperformance.com/stage-2-rebuilt-engine



Stock 22RE:                                                      Max Power: 76.42                     Max Torque: 107.33

Stage 2 22REP:                                               Max Power: 95.31                     Max Torque: 120.22 (1550 through 4300 rpm)

https://youtu.be/r-f-oWhNCc0
« Last Edit: Dec 23, 2018, 06:12:36 AM by AZ Rockit »
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #2 on: Dec 11, 2018, 08:36:57 AM »
So, 300K is reviewing the peripheral sensors, hardware, and hoses etc required to install the 22re Stage 2 motor. Probably need to buy another $500 to $1000 worth of stuff from 22re Performance to make this motor purr.

I will start with this list: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/classic-t4rs/160188-complete-list-22re-sensors.html

Apparently need to start pulling the sensors and perform viability tests on each sensor. Looking forward to another Toyota job with 300K!

Will be a fine work truck. Thinking about adding the ZUK rear spring mod.

http://www.gearinstalls.com/dadcoil.htm
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #3 on: Dec 14, 2018, 06:00:51 PM »
Okay, we moved the next project onto the pad. Now we can begin pulling sensors to verify viability. Still waiting for the 22RE Performance Stage 2 motor to ship.

82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #4 on: Dec 18, 2018, 04:42:22 AM »
Okay, so 300K pulled the motor yesterday. Usual issues. The motor had been sitting for a while, so the fluids were nasty, even the liquid in the heater core looked like swamp water.

Want to thank OVRAROK for mentoring 300K in 22RE removal. 300K did his 22R but a different extraction process required for the 22RE. Thanks, Dave!

To remove the second (and last) bell housing bolt we had to sawzall the corroded heater core metal tube on the motor.











Great job, 300K!!!



« Last Edit: Dec 19, 2018, 05:54:32 AM by AZ Rockit »
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #5 on: Dec 18, 2018, 04:50:41 AM »
Now we can begin the sensor checkout. Bought a wash tub from Harbor Freight and a temp sensor. Apparently the sensors need to be checked at ambient and again at 180F. No entirely sure. 300K said 22re Performance has a section on sensor evaluation/diagnostics.

https://22reperformance.com/faq-diagnostic-info/

300K called 22re Performance to inquire about the Stage 2 motor shipment. Apparently they are waiting for an upgraded CAM from a supplier. Lots to do before the motor arrives. Thought about driving to Chico in red to pick it up since 300K is out of school and I am taking days off over Christmas. We will see what happens.

While 300K is removing and checking sensors, I'll clean the engine compartment and devise a method to flush the fuel lines. Lots of cleanup to perform before the motor arrives. Need a bunch of hardware:

New MC 1200 lb clutch

Water pump--will use 300Ks brand new LCE water pump.

New fan--will use 300Ks fancy LCE fan. https://www.lceperformance.com/Flex-Fan-20R-22R-RE-Flex-Fan-w-Billet-Spacer-Kit-p/1093018.htm

Asked 300K to create a spreadsheet of needed hardware and parts so we aren't stopped for a $5 part that takes 3 weeks to arrive...

« Last Edit: Dec 18, 2018, 08:16:00 AM by AZ Rockit »
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #6 on: Dec 19, 2018, 05:47:09 AM »
300K called 22RE Performance yesterday and got the low down on a header. 22RE said buy the LCE header. Less expensive and fits perfectly.

22RE also asked if we would let them work motors for people bugging the Hell out of them. We agreed because we still have a lot of work to accomplish before installing the motor.

If I don't have to drive to Tempe for testing today, we will start pulling sensors and performing viability checks per the 22RE diagnostics link above.

I need to drain the rear and front diffs and checkout the fluid condition there. Think 300K said 4.10s in this truck.

Need to drain the transmission and check that fluid.

Probably use the V6 radiator we bought for red this year and did not install--coolant smell went away as suddenly as it appeared.
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #7 on: Dec 19, 2018, 11:51:17 AM »
300K called 22RE Performance yesterday and got the low down on a header. 22RE said buy the LCE header. Less expensive and fits perfectly.

Yes, he said that the LCE header consistently had a great fit and finish. He also explained that the relocated o2 bung helps the 30 year old EFI system get a better and more accurate reading, which increases driveability. He also uh...reported some other things, but I'll keep it to vendor friendly information on here :thumbs:

I recall Gnarls had some issues with the dough thorney header regarding its fit and finish.

Keep it TOYOTA!

In the past years, I used to get a lot of calls from Jeep owners wanting to go slow like the Toy trucks.

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #8 on: Dec 23, 2018, 06:23:12 AM »
300K found this video yesterday. Shows the 22REP motor characteristics.

Stock 22RE:                                                      Max Power: 76.42                     Max Torque: 107.33

Stage 2 22REP:                                               Max Power: 95.31                     Max Torque: 120.22 (1550 through 4300 rpm)

https://youtu.be/r-f-oWhNCc0

300K is also looking into this spacer. Will Ask 22REP what they think.

https://www.lceperformance.com/Throttle-Body-Spacer-Kit-22RE-83-88-p/1061052.htm
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #9 on: Dec 23, 2018, 07:19:50 AM »
Are those two chassis dyno tests a fair comparison?

A 22RE with 187,000 miles most likely will not show the same numbers on a dyno compared to a fresh factory 22RE.  How many miles on the Stage 2?

Since drive train loss is significant, do the vehicles have the same transmission, gear oil, tires, motor oil?

What were the ambient air temperatures and relative humidity?

I would love to see the same dyno tests, with the fresh factory 22RE and a fresh Stage 2 in the same vehicle.

What is impressive is the flat torque curve from about 3200 to 4300.

If a header and open exhaust was added, would the gain be another 10 or 15 HP?  Letís say 10 HP gain with a header and exhaust.  Now the total gain is 30 HP.  The gain in torque would be the big factor for me.  A 20 to 30 foot lbs of torque gain at 3000 RPMs would VERY noticeable in my truck.  Iíd be very happy with that gain.

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« Last Edit: Dec 23, 2018, 07:35:38 AM by Gnarly4X »
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~15,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #10 on: Jan 02, 2019, 01:55:42 AM »
Are those two chassis dyno tests a fair comparison?

A 22RE with 187,000 miles most likely will not show the same numbers on a dyno compared to a fresh factory 22RE.  How many miles on the Stage 2?

Since drive train loss is significant, do the vehicles have the same transmission, gear oil, tires, motor oil?

What were the ambient air temperatures and relative humidity?

I would love to see the same dyno tests, with the fresh factory 22RE and a fresh Stage 2 in the same vehicle.

What is impressive is the flat torque curve from about 3200 to 4300.

If a header and open exhaust was added, would the gain be another 10 or 15 HP?  Letís say 10 HP gain with a header and exhaust.  Now the total gain is 30 HP.  The gain in torque would be the big factor for me.  A 20 to 30 foot lbs of torque gain at 3000 RPMs would VERY noticeable in my truck.  Iíd be very happy with that gain.

Gnarls.

Gnarls, I think the point is, you cannot buy a new 22RE and the one you are driving in your 30 year old Toyota truck is most likely performing similar to the one tested here at 187,000 miles. It's a marketing video, apparently.

We haven't asked 22REP about any further enhancements to the Stage 2 22REP. Any enhancements we suggest are quickly dismissed by 22REP. Must be their way of saying, we know what we are doing, this is as good as it gets for a "stock" 22RE.
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

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Re: 85 SC LB Work Truck
« Reply #11 on: Jan 07, 2019, 06:37:20 AM »
DRAIN ALL OIL FRONT REAR DIFFS AND TRANSMISSION


So, making some progress on this project. Hit a week of cold weather and rain, so progress was curtailed. Drained the front and rear diffs and transmission before the artic cold arrived (we were colder than Montana for a week). Have been cleaning and testing sensors. Cleaning the bell housing.

Drained the diffs. The drain plugs looked okay. Front is on the right, rear on the left.



Rear Diff: Gear oil looked like golden honey.

Front Diff: Gear oil was milky gray. ZUK mentioned probably had water in the oil. No big deal. Shouldn't harm the front diff.

Transmission: gear oil was brownish golden honey. A little burnt, but not bad.




Bought some low end gear oil (MasterPro GL-5 80W-90) at O'Reilly's to run for ~500miles, drain, and add some quality Valvoline gear oil. I must have dropped $500 in gear oil over the past 5 months. (Need to drain and refill Old Red's rear diff (2.2 quarts) and tranny and transfer cases (~3-5 quarts?--forget at the moment.)



We have been running Valvoline 75W-90, both dinosaur and synthetic, depending on the break-in recommendations. Recommendations are outlined on this forum in the products section (transmissions and differentials) and at gearinstalls.com. Here are the links sent to us from ZUK at gearinstalls.com.

http://performanceunlimited.com/documents/gearbreakin.html

https://www.marlincrawler.com/tech/diff/differential-break-and-care-information

Filling the diffs and tranny today and then continue working the bell housing which is a greasy, oily mess. 300K says he needs it clean enough to eat off of...need to train him regarding what is good enough and what is a time waster, but for now, I will clean it up as he specifies.
82 Long bed, 22r with 83 celica EFI, 31s
84 Xtra cab, 22r, Chevy springs, 31s
85 4Runner, 3rz, R151F, 244:1, 37s
85 Long bed, 22re Performance Stage 2 engine, 32s
85 Short bed, 22r
89 4Runner on a 94 truck chassis, just a roller (Montana Runner)

 
 
 
 
 

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