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85 XtraCab diesel.....
« on: Sep 11, 2017, 07:11:47 PM »
Doc, this is heavy. The Cummins R2.8 Turbo Diesel isn’t available to the public in the U.S. yet. Here it is though, under the hood of an ’85 Toyota Xtracab. Did we go back to the future?”.......................



http://www.fourwheeler.com/features/1709-1985-toyota-pickup-diesel-mcfly/?wc_mid=4035:8690&wc_rid=4035:1276790&_wcsid=07EE2226DE72F248191AC4A6233ABDB9346E7BACCFBB3856
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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #1 on: Sep 12, 2017, 03:53:53 AM »
Well… that is an interesting truck mod and article.

I could spend an hour elaborating on why this truck is anything but “a capable and easy-to-maintain rockcrawler”

I have a different perspective than the writer’s highly touted descriptions… “The sophistication of this truck is in its clean, creative design and bulletproof mechanics.”

First, the truck is ugly. Period.  It’s a tank.  I’ve yet to see a tank rock crawl.

To “stretch it legs” down a dirt road is pathetically ironic.. .my Supra could do that!

For a typical off-road 4-wheeling vehicle, it is a “tactical” nightmare…. WAY too heavy – and I’m curious what it weighs.  It is most likely very top heavy, and would be too tippy for serious rock crawling. 

I doubt that the suspension system has been tested on anything but a dirt mining road.  Just looking at the photos, I envision major carnage on its first attempt at anything like a Rubicon or Dusy Irshim trail.

For the cost of this vehicle, to get 161HP and 267 lbs of torque, and all the extra beefed up modifications, I would rather have my old 1985 shortbed and invest the rest of the cash into some land.

I believe I can get a 150 HP out of a slightly modified rebuilt 22R without breaking my bank account, so for the extra 11 HP, it ain’t worth it.  Oh… yeah… that HUGE torque!!!.... With a Marlin Crawler T-case, a high torque engine is not necessary.

Easy to maintain?….. are you kidding!  With the list of custom modifications, if you break something on a trail, you’d be melting your credit card right after a 911 call to Walt, who politely tells you “No worries”… he’ll have your parts Fed-X’d to you in a couple months!

While the glowing adjectives don’t quite make sense and I appreciate the article’s advertising and showcasing the suppliers, I’d be embarrassed to be caught driving it.

The writer of this article makes me wonder if he’s ever been rock crawling.

Turbo diesel engines are nice for Mack trucks, but really stink on the trails.

By the way Mr. Grasso… it’s not “blown” - it’s turbocharged.  :shake:

That’s just my opinion – it may be worthless.  :gap:

Gnarls.... just some "pomp 'n stink"  :blah:




« Last Edit: Sep 12, 2017, 04:12:04 AM by Gnarly4X »
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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #2 on: Sep 12, 2017, 08:28:04 AM »
One of my favorite sayings.

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #3 on: Sep 12, 2017, 10:47:00 AM »


First, the truck is ugly. Period. 


ugly? I think it looks great
my 3rz swap. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=97722.0

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #4 on: Sep 12, 2017, 11:01:27 AM »
I also really like the fact that the 2.8 cummins is available as a crate motor. there are endless possibilities. I would love to swap one into a second gen taco, t100, first gen tundra, first gen bronco, scout, jeep etc..
« Last Edit: Sep 12, 2017, 11:54:38 AM by liveoak »
my 3rz swap. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=97722.0

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #5 on: Sep 12, 2017, 07:10:52 PM »
I also really like the fact that the 2.8 cummins is available as a crate motor. there are endless possibilities. I would love to swap one into a second gen taco, t100, first gen tundra, first gen bronco, scout, jeep etc..

Hey liveoak.....

You swap the 2.8L Cummins....

I'll swap this one...... http://www.carmonkeys.com/1995-CHEVROLET-S10-S15-SONOMA-Engine-Assembly-6-262-4-3L-CPI-VIN-W-4x4-Side-Mounted-Spark-Plug-Wires-On-Dist-5-Years-Warranty

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #6 on: Sep 13, 2017, 07:45:05 AM »
I work on 4.3 engines 5 days a week. They are good little engines. Just not a torque machine. I have been playing with Cummins engines for over 10 years and can say they are very durable and can squeeze a lot from a little.
80 short bed, longs, hi steer, 4.7 case twin stick, 4.11, 38 tsl, mild built 22r
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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #7 on: Sep 13, 2017, 04:56:04 PM »
I’m not interested in getting into a diesel vs gas engine debate… I understand the differences.

For general or typical 4-wheeling that I’ve been around, torque is not an issue.  A Marlin T-case will produce WAY more torque than can be used effectively.  :yesnod:

Typically weight becomes a factor for general 4-wheeling.  :yesnod:

The diesel engine produces lots of low RPM torque, but they are usually heavier.  The Cummins 2.8, even though is alloy, still weighs 503 lbs…. about 188 lbs more than a 22R.  Average weight of Chevy 4.3L is about 375 lbs. - about 25 lbs. more than a 22R.

The average 4-wheeler I know had a limited budget.  So spending $20+ on an engine swap was typically not normal.  :smack:

Another factor is reliability and maintenance.  The Chevy 4.3 has just about every aftermarket part and upgrade you could want, so it can be built and maintained at relatively low cost compared to any other engine swap.  Engine parts and accessories availability is practically limitless, and parts are available virtually anywhere.  :biggthumpup:

I believe a Chevy 4.3L can be easily swapped with only minor modifications to a truck or 4Runner.  :greengrin:

Outside of general Toyota style 4-wheeling, the diesel engine, in a tow vehicle for example, has some significant advantages with its torque numbers at low RPMs.  :thumbs:

Serously…I’m curious…. what is the attraction or any significant technological or mechanical advantages with a diesel engine over a comparable gas powered engine swap in a 4-wheel drive vehicle?  :dunno:

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #8 on: Sep 13, 2017, 09:18:39 PM »
Serously… I’m curious…. what is the attraction or any significant technological or mechanical advantages with a diesel engine over a comparable gas powered engine swap in a 4-wheel drive vehicle?  :dunno:

Gnarls. :inthedark:


Put a pre 98 diesel engine in a pre 98 truck and avoid CA smog tests is the advantage.................

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #9 on: Sep 14, 2017, 04:43:46 AM »
Put a pre 98 diesel engine in a pre 98 truck and avoid CA smog tests is the advantage.................



Anything that avoids emissions testing, EPA, CARB, or certification with an engine swap can be a big thing.

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #10 on: Sep 14, 2017, 06:20:16 AM »
Hey liveoak.....

You swap the 2.8L Cummins....

I'll swap this one...... http://www.carmonkeys.com/1995-CHEVROLET-S10-S15-SONOMA-Engine-Assembly-6-262-4-3L-CPI-VIN-W-4x4-Side-Mounted-Spark-Plug-Wires-On-Dist-5-Years-Warranty

Gnarls.

for the record, I didn't say I wanted to swap a 2.8 diesel into my mini truck, I listed larger trucks that the 2.8 would be nice to have in. I've already swapped a 3rz in my truck and I am extremely pleased. I would never consider putting a chevy motor in my Toyota, just doesn't seem right to me especially since the Toyota 2.7 and 3.4 are such good candidates. the 4.3 and 5.0 engine swaps were something people mostly did in the early 90s before we had good toyota options. are you planning to buy your swap parts from  :haha: NWOR?  :ha_ha:
« Last Edit: Sep 14, 2017, 06:30:31 AM by liveoak »
my 3rz swap. http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=97722.0

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #11 on: Sep 14, 2017, 08:49:54 AM »
for the record, I didn't say I wanted to swap a 2.8 diesel into my mini truck, I listed larger trucks that the 2.8 would be nice to have in. I've already swapped a 3rz in my truck and I am extremely pleased. I would never consider putting a chevy motor in my Toyota, just doesn't seem right to me especially since the Toyota 2.7 and 3.4 are such good candidates. the 4.3 and 5.0 engine swaps were something people mostly did in the early 90s before we had good toyota options. are you planning to buy your swap parts from  :haha: NWOR?  :ha_ha:

No NWOR... are they still in business.?

If I do a swap it would be a V-8!!

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Re: 85 XtraCab diesel.....
« Reply #12 on: Sep 14, 2017, 10:34:57 AM »
for the record, I didn't say I wanted to swap a 2.8 diesel into my mini truck, I listed larger trucks that the 2.8 would be nice to have in. I've already swapped a 3rz in my truck and I am extremely pleased. I would never consider putting a chevy motor in my Toyota, just doesn't seem right to me especially since the Toyota 2.7 and 3.4 are such good candidates. the 4.3 and 5.0 engine swaps were something people mostly did in the early 90s before we had good toyota options. are you planning to buy your swap parts from  :haha: NWOR?  :ha_ha:


Just for the record, I didn't say you wanted to swap the 2.8L Cummins into your "mini truck"...   :gap:

Gnarls.  :thumbs:
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~10,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

 
 
 
 
 

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