Author Topic: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.  (Read 27360 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Toybrota

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #150 on: Nov 08, 2017, 05:08:53 PM »
Pull the selector hub off, one at a time, duct tape some plastic on, just to avoid debris, and go for a drive.
Good idea, I'll try this. Much appreciated :)

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #151 on: Nov 23, 2017, 12:56:57 PM »
Finished up my shift boots, I made one awhile ago and it was awful, so I redeemed myself.
Hand sewed, attached through the rubber boots base.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Lewis Hein

  • Offline Rock Master
  • ***
  • Turtle Points: 220
  • Posts: 368
  • Member since Feb '17
  • Trying to equal the wonderful one-hoss shay
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #152 on: Nov 23, 2017, 04:04:20 PM »
Does the lock hub dial shift the transfer case?

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #153 on: Nov 23, 2017, 04:06:59 PM »
Does the lock hub dial shift the transfer case?
Ha I wish. It turns, but doesn't do anything.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #154 on: Nov 23, 2017, 09:27:19 PM »
Ah, so the inevitable happened, my Motorcycle was stolen out of my driveway.
Looks like I'll be doing theft protection on my truck this weekend. I'll probably do the usual interrupter switch for the coil, they make keyed switches that I've seen at some autoparts stores.
That and hide it somewhere.
My main fear is that my truck is next.

Good news, I live in Salt Lake City, so I'm buying a Glock. Gotta protect my household somehow.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Lewis Hein

  • Offline Rock Master
  • ***
  • Turtle Points: 220
  • Posts: 368
  • Member since Feb '17
  • Trying to equal the wonderful one-hoss shay
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #155 on: Nov 24, 2017, 08:33:40 AM »
Sorry to hear about your motorcycle being stolen, but I'm glad you're thinking about theft protection for your truck. I can start any 81-89 Hilux or 4runner of this generation with a screwdriver and ballpoint pen, so I assume that a thief can, too.

If you wanted to get all fancy, you could set it up so that when the keyed switch activates the anti-theft system, turning the ignition switch to "start" blows the horn instead of cranking the engine. Furthermore: I can bypass any keyed switch with a knife and an alligator clip if the leads are in any way accessible. You've probably already thought of that.

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #156 on: Nov 29, 2017, 10:46:32 AM »
Going to be testing the reliability of my truck this next week, I'm embarking on a 800 mile journey (1600 round trip) to San Diego to see my mom.

I'm excited, but also a bit nervous. I have no reason to doubt my trucks reliability.
Over the last month, I've driven to Moab and back, and to Nevada and back. Both are about 1200 miles combined. And, with no trouble.

My truck does leak a bit of oil from the rear main, and burns a bit too. A compression test revealed 150 on all cylinders which is pretty good.

Any recommendations for things I should check or bring? I am gonna bring my tool set, enough tools to do a head gasket if needed.

I also have a spare belt and enough oil and coolant to kill an elephant.

And most importantly, I have some kicking tunes.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


OVRAROK

  • Offline The 2.5K Group
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 21164
  • Male Posts: 2,514
  • Member since Dec '10
    • my build
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #157 on: Nov 29, 2017, 11:01:54 AM »
It's going to run like a top  :thumbs:
even the most primitive society has an intimate respect for the insane

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #158 on: Nov 29, 2017, 11:03:43 AM »
It's going to run like a top  :thumbs:
Ha thanks! That's the hope, I have had literally no issues with this truck, but it is my daily so I'm of course a little worried. My biggest concern is it being stolen, However I've taken care of that, it has a hidden keyed ignition switch.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


H8PVMNT

  • Online Silver Turtle Award
  • *
  • Turtle Points: 458
  • Male Posts: 3,424
  • Member since May '07
  • I'LL NEVER MAKE IT...
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #159 on: Nov 29, 2017, 02:55:48 PM »
Bring a spare ignitor if you have one and a fuel filter wouldn't hurt.  Those two parts can strand you and the ignitor can be tough to get.
“I would rather wake up in the middle of nowhere than in any city on earth.”
– Steve McQueen

"Except for maybe Seattle."  -H8PVMNT

"I plan to hit 300k in this truck"  :)bestgen4runner

 "I'm jealous of your shop. It has concrete and doesn't smell like pickles like the old shop  "  300K

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #160 on: Nov 29, 2017, 02:56:52 PM »
Bring a spare ignitor if you have one and a fuel filter wouldn't hurt.  Those two parts can strand you and the ignitor can be tough to get.
Ignitor and fuel filter, I'll look into it.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Lewis Hein

  • Offline Rock Master
  • ***
  • Turtle Points: 220
  • Posts: 368
  • Member since Feb '17
  • Trying to equal the wonderful one-hoss shay
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #161 on: Nov 29, 2017, 03:07:07 PM »
Do the carb trucks have a fuel filter? I've searched in vain for one on mine...

One other thing I carry with me always is an alternator. I was once on a paleontology expedition where one pickup's alternator went out in the field miles from help; If we hadn't had other vehicles and had been further in the boonies, that could have been bad.

Beyond that, definitely an ignitor; A bad ignitor has stranded me before. Maybe also a fuel pump unless yours is a reasonably good shape OEM one.

Good luck and safe travels!

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #162 on: Nov 29, 2017, 03:11:55 PM »
Do the carb trucks have a fuel filter? I've searched in vain for one on mine...

One other thing I carry with me always is an alternator. I was once on a paleontology expedition where one pickup's alternator went out in the field miles from help; If we hadn't had other vehicles and had been further in the boonies, that could have been bad.

Beyond that, definitely an ignitor; A bad ignitor has stranded me before. Maybe also a fuel pump unless yours is a reasonably good shape OEM one.

Good luck and safe travels!
Thanks! The fuel filter is next to the gas tank, under the truck bed. Just follow the fuel filter neck and you'll find it!



Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #163 on: Nov 30, 2017, 06:16:27 PM »
Picked up some stuff today!

Got a spare fuel filter (thanks for the recommendation)

Also upper and lower rad hoses, and a belt for the water pump and alternator.

And finally, another steering stabilizer as the one I put it 6 months ago is bad. Got it warrantied so that's good!


I also, got an oil pressure gauge, and found out that it is impossible to find the right threads for this thing, NO one has an adapter, not ace, not home Depot, no autoparts stores. Tomorrow I'm going to an actual hose supply, so hopefully they will have something, if not I found one online.

Tomorrow I'm picking up a set of 16 inch Tacoma wheels with some street-ish tires on them for my trip, that way I don't put high miles on my off road set.

I'll post pictures tomorrow.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Lewis Hein

  • Offline Rock Master
  • ***
  • Turtle Points: 220
  • Posts: 368
  • Member since Feb '17
  • Trying to equal the wonderful one-hoss shay
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #164 on: Nov 30, 2017, 07:44:15 PM »
One other thing I thought of (that you may have thought of): Check drain plugs on engine, transmission, and differentials. I say this because my dad used to own a Ford Courier, but the transmission plug fell out on a highway trip, and he didn't know about it until the transmission was toast. (Then he bought a Toyota).

This failure mode is probably rare, but ever since hearing that story I try to check my drain plugs occasionally. They have never shown any hint of coming loose, but it's a quick and simple check that might someday save a bunch of money and hassle.

OK, my $0.02 are fast becoming $2. Hope it's useful, though.


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #165 on: Nov 30, 2017, 09:51:12 PM »
One other thing I thought of (that you may have thought of): Check drain plugs on engine, transmission, and differentials. I say this because my dad used to own a Ford Courier, but the transmission plug fell out on a highway trip, and he didn't know about it until the transmission was toast. (Then he bought a Toyota).

This failure mode is probably rare, but ever since hearing that story I try to check my drain plugs occasionally. They have never shown any hint of coming loose, but it's a quick and simple check that might someday save a bunch of money and hassle.

OK, my $0.02 are fast becoming $2. Hope it's useful, though.
Definitely is a useful comment, this is super simple and often overlooked, I'll definitely be doing this.

An alternator might get left out, changing one of them not on the side of the road is a pregnant dog, like draining and removing the radiator kind of pregnant dog.

My battery holds a great charge (Optima sealed battery) and I have a new alternator, so charge problems are (should) be out the window.

I'm legit bringing an entire set, of tires with me. If anything, I feel like a tire failure is what would happen.

My main, and Biggest concern is theft, especially so close to the border. My truck does have a hidden (well hidden, I might add) kill switch. Which is also keyed too, so even if it's found they can't really start it. The coil isn't even powered from the main ignition circuit, so tearing the steering column apart would do nothing.

I do however have a pretty expensive sound system in my truck, subwoofer, fosgate speakers... I really don't want that stolen.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #166 on: Dec 02, 2017, 04:08:28 PM »
Went on the local classifieds and found a set of base model Tacoma wheels with some highway tires on them, I didn't really see the need in using my nicer AT's on my other wheels.

I actually think they look pretty nice, they are a 16 inch rim, I might keep them. Or sell them....

I had to run an inch wheel spacer up front though.



Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


300k

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 3508
  • Male Posts: 550
  • Member since Jun '15
  • Working on my truck with Marlin
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #167 on: Dec 02, 2017, 04:18:07 PM »
this thing is looking pretty rad. you need to finish the look with the Skys crawler springs or RUFs so the axle is moved way forward :gap:
Keep it TOYOTA!

In the past years, I used to get a lot of calls from Jeep owners wanting to go slow like the Toy trucks.

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #168 on: Dec 02, 2017, 04:19:25 PM »
this thing is looking pretty rad. you need to finish the look with the Skys crawler springs or RUFs so the axle is moved way forward :gap:
Thanks! My actual mod that's happening next is High steer, I can't stand how awful and dangerous this steering is, I just don't have the welding know-how to do it :/

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Gnarly4X

  • Offline The 2.5K Group
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 2955
  • Male Posts: 2,599
  • Member since Jun '16
  • Marlin and I slid "The Sluice" Martinez Canyon
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #169 on: Dec 03, 2017, 05:53:03 AM »
.... I can't stand how awful and dangerous this steering is ....


Are you referring to the Toyota stock steering, or your truck's specific steering?  :dunno:

When you say "dangerous", do you mean dangerous because it's defective, or dangerous for some other reason?  :dunno:

Gnarls. :inthedark:
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~15,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #170 on: Dec 03, 2017, 08:16:21 AM »
Are you referring to the Toyota stock steering, or your truck's specific steering?  :dunno:

When you say "dangerous", do you mean dangerous because it's defective, or dangerous for some other reason?  :dunno:

Gnarls. :inthedark:
It's the stock push-pull setup, with a dropped drag link. If I step on the brakes it pulls to the right.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


85Buckett

  • Offline Rock Crawl'n
  • **
  • Turtle Points: 187
  • Male Posts: 56
  • Member since Jun '16
  • Nothing Happens Until Something Moves
    • Buy me a beer
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #171 on: Dec 03, 2017, 09:13:28 AM »
Did you relocate your torque rod or is it at a steep angle?
Pirate 4x4 S/N  Tripower389

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #172 on: Dec 03, 2017, 09:14:56 AM »
Did you relocate your torque rod or is it at a steep angle?
Didn't relocate it, no way to fabricate anything at the moment

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


redneckcustoms13

  • Offline The 2K Group
  • ***
  • Turtle Points: 6152
  • Male Posts: 2,275
  • Member since May '15
    • Buy me a beer
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #173 on: Dec 03, 2017, 10:54:09 AM »
So is it an aftermarket drop arm or a stock one at a steep angle like 85bucket says
80 short bed, longs, hi steer, 4.7 case twin stick, 4.11, 38 tsl, mild built 22r
83 long bed, sas, hi steer, 3rz, w56, 4.56 33s
95 4runner project
06 4 door tacoma street truck

Gnarly4X

  • Offline The 2.5K Group
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 2955
  • Male Posts: 2,599
  • Member since Jun '16
  • Marlin and I slid "The Sluice" Martinez Canyon
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #174 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:02:54 PM »
It's the stock push-pull setup, with a dropped drag link. If I step on the brakes it pulls to the right.

Interesting....

The only stock Toyota steering failure I had on both my 1986 IFS and 1985 straight axle, was a bent tire tie rod
from going airborne about 10 feet in Mexico on the beach at about 55 MPH.  :smack:

The other failure was on my 85 on Pritchett Canyon, I backed up gently with the wheels cranked too far over on
a slight incline and busted the knuckle arm. It was totally my stupidity!  I had a spare and had it fixed in about
20 minutes. :disturbed:

I did not have a drop drag link on either trucks.  :shake:

I 4-wheeled many years on some of the most difficult rock crawling trails in AZ, CA, NM, and UT, with Toyota factory front steering system.  :driving:

I have never had any of my trucks pull the steering due to the factory stock steering.  Other than the Detroit Locker in the front diff and hubs locked that was the normal behavior, I never once felt any danger or problems with the Toyota factory steering.  I have had a steering pull because of a brake disc issue.  :blah:

I guess I have just been lucky.  :gap:

I’ve not heard of Toyota factory early truck steering design referred to as “push-pull”.  I thought push-pull is a steering technique while driving.  I always thought Toyota’s early truck steering system design is a basic tie rod,
pitman arm, shock damper, and recirculating ball bearing.  :dunno:

Gnarls. :inthedark:



« Last Edit: Dec 03, 2017, 03:15:33 PM by Gnarly4X »
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~15,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #175 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:13:51 PM »
Interesting....

The only stock Toyota steering failure I had on both my 1986 IFS and 1985 straight axle, was a bent tire tie rod
from going airborne about 10 feet in Mexico on the beach at about 55 MPH.  :smack:

The other failure was on my 85 on Pritchett Canyon, I backed up gently with the wheels cranked too far over on
a slight incline and busted the knuckle arm. It was totally my stupidity!  I had a spare and had it fixed in about
20 minutes. :disturbed:

I did not have a drop drag link on either trucks.  :shake:

I 4-wheeled many years on some of the most difficult rock crawling trails in AZ, CA, NM, and UT, with Toyota factory front steering system.  :driving:

I have never had any of my trucks pull the steering due to the factory stock steering.  I never once felt any
danger and problems with the Toyota factory steering.  I have had a steering pull because of a brake disc issue.  :blah:

I guess I have just been lucky.  :gap:

I’ve not heard of Toyota factory early truck steering design referred to as “push-pull”.  I thought push-pull is a steering technique while driving.  I always thought Toyota’s early truck steering system design is a basic tie rod,
pitman arm, shock damper, and recirculating ball bearing.  :dunno:

Gnarls. :inthedark:
Push-pull on how the steering box on Solid Axle Toyota's work in conjunction with the steering arm on the knuckle, it pushed it and pulls it for turning in which direction.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #176 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:15:49 PM »
So is it an aftermarket drop arm or a stock one at a steep angle like 85bucket says
Dropped Draglink from procomp, and the anti-wrap bar is completely stock.

I think the issue is that it's lifted, using an upgraded dropped Draglink but the anti-wrap bar is stock, no difference in it's length. So, when I push on the brakes it doesn't work like it should and it pulls. At least that's what I've gathered.


Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Gnarly4X

  • Offline The 2.5K Group
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 2955
  • Male Posts: 2,599
  • Member since Jun '16
  • Marlin and I slid "The Sluice" Martinez Canyon
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #177 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:24:09 PM »
Dropped Draglink from procomp, and the anti-wrap bar is completely stock.

I think the issue is that it's lifted, using an upgraded dropped Draglink but the anti-wrap bar is stock, no difference in it's length. So, when I push on the brakes it doesn't work like it should and it pulls. At least that's what I've gathered. 

I'm not saying your pulling issue is NOT the steering.

My 85 was lifted about 4" from stock.  Are you sure you don't have a front brake issue?

Gnarls.
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~15,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR

Toybrota [OP]

  • Offline Crawler Guru
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 121
  • Male Posts: 496
  • Member since Dec '15
  • Crawling with Marlin
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #178 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:30:18 PM »
I'm not saying your pulling issue is NOT the steering.

My 85 was lifted about 4" from stock.  Are you sure you don't have a front brake issue?

Gnarls.
I mean it's all entirely possible. On your truck was your torque rod or anti-wrap bar stock? I'm assuming you ran a dropped Draglink too.

I can go ahead and bleed the brakes, that would probably do something

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk


Gnarly4X

  • Offline The 2.5K Group
  • ****
  • Turtle Points: 2955
  • Male Posts: 2,599
  • Member since Jun '16
  • Marlin and I slid "The Sluice" Martinez Canyon
    • Buy me some coffee
Re: ToyBrota's 85 Xtracab Build up.
« Reply #179 on: Dec 03, 2017, 03:49:35 PM »
I mean it's all entirely possible. On your truck was your torque rod or anti-wrap bar stock? I'm assuming you ran a dropped Draglink too.

I can go ahead and bleed the brakes, that would probably do something

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk



My 85 was stock steering, no drop drag link.

Gnarls.
1986 XtraCab SR5 22RE 5speed W56B, ~15,000 MI after break-in, DIM (Did It Myself) rebuilt engine - .020" over, engnbldr RV head, OS valves, 261C cam, DT Header. https://imgur.com/oACTHTR