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Outside Tech Inspection my Tacoma got to meet All Pro's Black Betty. I am a live axle front suspension guy thru-and-thru; I'm starting to realize it will be painful to keep mine IFS. Hoping to resist the urge for a while-









Check out Black Betty's SEXY Marlin Crawler Dual Ultimate TacoBox Supreme :D This setup results in nearly a 250:1 Crawl Ratio




Later that night in the city I spotted a TRD Off Road! I'm still getting excited whenever I see another 3rd gen ;)

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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail!

Our group ran both Poison Spider Mesa and Hell's Revenge. Beings as I cannot take a stock Tacoma there, I solo-ran an easy trail I'd never done before called Chicken Corners. I left base camp and stopped off at the City Market for supplies. When I came back out to the Tacoma, I go to open the door and hear a faint sound of something dropping to the pavement. I look around and find this in front of the driver's front tire:
   


Ummm. Wat? What in the.... Suddenly plastic is self-removing from the Tacoma. I look everywhere up in the wheel well and couldn't find where this could have come from. Maybe it was a temporary part used during assembly that a Texan forgot to remove...?

I headed south-west and finally made it to the trail. The guide book wasn't kidding: It was easy. A Subaru could make it through most of it. Nevertheless it provided some good fun and good pictures :D

Wooohoooo! My first time airing down! Having these fancy tire pressure sensors will be interesting once beadlocks go on and I resume airing down to 5 PSI.



There were many by-passes that looked like this...



...so of course I had to try them all. :D



Already dragging the rear tow hitch LOL



Backing down I incurred my first "trail damage"



So off came the front valance! Goooooood riddance

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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail! (continued)

Don't mean to drag this out -- I'll just start posting select pics







Following the Colorado River







Didn't even find large enough ledges to break traction.
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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail! (continued)





I can see this sat nav is going to be much fun









Got the tires to chirp a little here lol
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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail! (continued)













I was wondering about the ABS system... The ABS light is always off, even in low range. How do I know if the system is deactivated? Maybe I'll hit a rock at 2 MPH and get a nice air bag to the face. Also what about 4WD high range -- as I'll be in 4WD high range most of the time once the Crawler goes in. I should probably pull out the unopened owners manual and do some reading!
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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail! (continued)

Nice vistas out here-





That is a sharp drop-off to the left





Random pic from the driver's seat. That fake hood scoop takes up precious viewing real estate.



Finally got the Taco dirty :shades:

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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail! (continued)

I returned to main camp to get our booth setup for the annual Vendor Night







The MC booth was humming all night





The Taco lurks in the back while Marlin does what he does best!



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May 5, 2016: Cruise Moab 2016 (continued)

I don't know if I realized it but the hood on the new Tacoma doesn't open so much compared to the older trucks




The next day I stayed in camp and caught up with work and marketing. The Tacoma can't even dream about doing Hell's Revenge at this stage. Day went by pretty quick, after which we enjoyed the awesome dinner and huge Cruise Moab Raffle.

I then got up early Saturday morning to do a one-shot solo day trip back to the west coast.



Letting the Taco warm up @ 3:30am



Hit my first icy conditions. Truck felt good. I downshifted and intentionally laid down some torque and the traction control kicks in pretty quick. Very cool

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May 5, 2016: Cruise Moab 2016 (continued)



Tacoma + Open Road = Driving Bliss



Maintenance lamp has turned on in only 18 days! This truck must be a defect or something :hahaha:





Made it back home safely with daylight to spare! (Thank you time zone change :P)

Averaging nearly 300 miles a day for over half a month :o

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May 5, 2016: Cruise Moab 2016 (continued)



Tacoma + Open Road = Driving Bliss



Maintenance lamp has turned on in only 18 days! This truck must be a defect or something :hahaha:





Made it back home safely with daylight to spare! (Thank you time zone change :P)

Averaging nearly 300 miles a day for over half a month :o



that maintenance light should say "Taco box required"
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:popcorn: chop into it already!!! SAS!
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May 5, 2016: Tacoma does it's first trail!

... When I came back out to the Tacoma, I go to open the door and hear a faint sound of something dropping to the pavement. I look around and find this in front of the driver's front tire:
   


Ummm. Wat? What in the.... Suddenly plastic is self-removing from the Tacoma. I look everywhere up in the wheel well and couldn't find where this could have come from. Maybe it was a temporary part used during assembly that a Texan forgot to remove...?

Backing down I incurred my first "trail damage"



So off came the front valance! Goooooood riddance



Did you ever figure out where that clip came from?

It is sort of a redundant retainer for panels that clip into the bumper.  That one might have even been from the valance that you later removed.

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Where's the missing YEAR?


 :dunno:
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Yeah, he hasn't said what he's doing this weekend yet.

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Umm, you've been spotted...


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Where's the missing YEAR?


 :dunno:


The heck with the year....where is my crawler for my 2016.. :dunno: :headscratch:

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Did you ever figure out where that clip came from?

It is sort of a redundant retainer for panels that clip into the bumper.  That one might have even been from the valance that you later removed.
Never did. I looked on another 2016 Access Cab and did not see any blue clips. I think you're right, that it was some retainer only used during assembly.

:popcorn: chop into it already!!! SAS!
Please don't tempt me! :qtip: I plan to appeal to the Tacoma masses. Other than the manual transmission, which was required by law of my universe, showing what is possible from actual low gearing more than proves the Crawler's worth. Maybe one day I'll SAS it. But to keep the truck IFS and take it where SFA trucks go because of the Marlin Crawler will show to the average consumer that you don't have to get a SAS in order to get out and wheel amazing trails.

Yeah, he hasn't said what he's doing this weekend yet.
Hopefully I'll get to that soon :)

Umm, you've been spotted...
What? That's not mine. I have a double cab.

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Never did. I looked on another 2016 Access Cab and did not see any blue clips. I think you're right, that it was some retainer only used during assembly.
Please don't tempt me! :qtip: I plan to appeal to the Tacoma masses. Other than the manual transmission, which was required by law of my universe, showing what is possible from actual low gearing more than proves the Crawler's worth. Maybe one day I'll SAS it. But to keep the truck IFS and take it where SFA trucks go because of the Marlin Crawler will show to the average consumer that you don't have to get a SAS in order to get out and wheel amazing trails.
Hopefully I'll get to that soon :)
What? That's not mine. I have a double cab.

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I think you guys should produce a Long Travel system. "Total Chaos" style comes to mind. You MC guys are legends and im glad ive been apart of the "online" Community.
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What? That's not mine. I have a double cab.
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No you have a white ACCESS CAB with the long bed. I HAVE the Double cab with the short bed.


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June 3, 2016: Bald Mountain

A few weeks later I slipped away and did a quick run up to our local Bald Mountain trail with "TURBO" Tim. Bald Mtn is a proper trail that provides a great overview of our popular High Sierra Nevada wheel'n: Large exposed granite, tight tree squeezes, steep and sharp climbs and descents, loose rocky sections, and a few high speed sections. It is our only trail (out of a twelve trail network) that is traditionally open year-round and also the only trail without any lakes.

One caveat with this trail is that it lacks gatekeepers from either entrance and all major obstacles may be bypassed. For these reasons it is common to find vehicles that otherwise wouldn't have any business being up there, such as Bronco-IIs, Blazers, Rangers, Fronteirs, and so on. It also means we see a few Tacomas with lightbars, smoked tail lights, and much chrome so it's a good place to do some proving of the new Tacoma :D

Here I am next to our newly updated Trail Condition Bulletin Board. Google Street view of location: https://goo.gl/maps/vwhvFobkjVw



Bald Mtn trail head



Stopped to air down



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Starting out strong with some "mad flex"



Our beautiful central California granite



The visability out of this thing is horrendous



My first trail glamor shot!



Made it up a descent crossed-up section without the "Auto-LSD" engaging but with a lottttttt of clutch slipping.

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June 3, 2016: Bald Mountain (continued)

At this point I had encountered my first two annoying characteristic of the new Tacoma.

Old School Rock Crawler's Off-road Impressions I

  • The V6 flywheel must weigh a full metric ton. If you try jam'n through the gears in low range the RPMs don't fall at nearly a quick enough rate. I have no doubt this was done for better fuel economy as well as less apparent mistakes to novice gear jammers. I already have a simple solution for this in my mind.

  • The Hill-Start Assist is a major pain in the butt off-road as it prevents the ability to rock the vehicle back and forth in search of traction or a line adjustment. This is important especially on snow runs. If you're unfamiliar with it (like I was), the truck will hold the brakes for about 2 full seconds while you make a gear shift from a stop. The reasoning is to allow time to engage a gear and begin disengaging the clutch before the truck has a chance to roll down a hill. I can see this being a helpful feature for all the Tacoma owners who use the truck to take their cats to the pet groomer every Wednesday before picking up their kids from soccer practice. But come awn man people want to drive stick shift for the love of toe-and-heal clutch work. Afternoon cat food delivery Tacoma trucks have automatics by definition. With a manual trans Tacoma, they should at least provide a way to defeat this. It's not that hard: I'll just simply remove the clutch engagement switch from the system whenever in low range (insert relay, done). Now the ECU won't know when I'm using the clutch. Problem solved.
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I've always wanted an XtraCab, aka Access Cab. The stock ground clearance is pretty sad...



...especially the horrendous design of the exhaust crossover. What was Toyota thinking here? The exhaust pipe is lower than the cross-member. It will, at least however, not be in the way of our Dual Case products which is nice but definitely I'll have to improve this.





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June 3, 2016: Bald Mountain (continued)

At the base of Hollywood Hill



Up the approach to Hollywood Hill



High-centered again hahaha




The view up Hollywood!



I took the cheater-line off to the left



It gets steeper and steeper



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Old School Rock Crawler's Off-road Impressions II

  • The Tacoma Transfer Case has a 2.566:1 low range gear ratio. This is 12.69% lower than the Hilux's 2.277:1 low range. But don't be fooled: Unloaded and with small stock tires this low range is usable until you get into any sort of a climb or descent. You cannot start the truck in gear; You have to constantly slip the clutch; You have to ride your brakes down the backside of every obstacle. It's okay for now, after all this is why the Marlin Crawler exists. In due time my beloved Tacoma!

  • I am very pleased to discover the new 2GR-FKS lugs down very well. This is absolutely critical for non-Triple case Marlin Crawler owners in those situations when you're in a real pickle and need to go as slow as possible. Of course I was stalling it -- it doesn't have a Marlin Crawler yet -- but I can clearly see this engine is going to be a winner once combined with some actual Crawling gear ratios. It fights hard to stay alive at sub-idle RPMs.

Stopped on the upper side of Hollywood Hill





Fun for everyone except the clutch :D

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June 3, 2016: Bald Mountain (continued)

Old School Rock Crawler's Off-road Impressions III

  • Holy crap this seat belt auto-latching mechanism is crazy sensitive! It is so bad that after having parked on a hill, I could not buckle back up! If you unbuckle while on any steep grade then the seat belt becomes unusable. I had to continue up the rest of Hollywood Hill without a seat belt on. :o Any 1995 and older truck I've been in would allow you you pull the belt out so long as you pulled it slowly. Not so on the Tacoma no matter how slow I pulled. This I do not like.



Great day for some wheel'n!



Elevation here is about 6,500 feet.




Continuing up towards Bald Mountain



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Finally at the top! Elevation 7,838 ft.



Overlooking Shaver Lake, CA









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June 3, 2016: Bald Mountain (continued)









And that's it for the Tacoma's first time at Bald! The northern end of the trail is pretty dang easy and we skipped all the stuff the Taco couldn't do and bugged out.

One last pic after airing back up and ready to return home.

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We took some misc videos which I turned into a quick & dirty compilation with no music. It's nothing special. I remember my first time wheeling my 1981 Hilux (took it up Claw Hammer) and being crazy nervous to not even get a single scratch. I was overly cautious here too haha Hope you enjoy!

 
                                                                       

YouTube - BigMike's 2016 Tacoma's first time at Bald Mtn (June 3...

                                                                                         
 

At the 4:03 min mark I wanted to try out this "Auto LSD" feature so I got the Taco crossed-up. Incoming long rant.

I have much to complain about, more than what I'll share here, but before I explain I have to acknowledge the fact that the system works. If you are stuck it has the "potential" to get through. There is no comparison to say a 20-yr old stock Toyota pickup: Once you got stuck, that was it. You'd need to get pulled out. But at least the Tacoma has the "ability" to get through such a scenario as shown in the video.

Now, the bad, no very bad thing here is that the Auto LSD requires a lot of throttle for it to work and this is teaching the next generation of off-roaders a very bad habit.

Quick desc of the system: I've not read any manual on the subject, but as I understand it the truck is utilizing its ABS wheel speed sensors to detect a large enough tire rotation differential across each axle and applying the brakes only for that single faster rotating tire in an increasing manner until the force across the differential equalizes and the two tires have the same angular velocity. Side note: Only Automatics have CRAWL Control.

Here is the issue with this in more detail than what's probably necessary:
As an experienced Rock Crawler since the same day the hobby was created 23 years ago, my first instinct when I lose traction is to lift. You lift based on physics due to the fact that static friction has a higher coefficient of friction than kinetic friction. The goal should be to allow the tires to work and find traction, aka finesse it. We see many inexperienced wheelers do the opposite and get egged-on by their buddies yelling "GET IT! GET IT!" which leads to skinny pedal abuse, a lot of bouncing, and ultimately broken parts. I am not so thick-skulled to admit there are times when you need momentum, but this should only be as a last resort option and even still you only need to feel the bounce once or twice to know the severity of how stuck you are. Be a man by either stacking rocks or asking a Jeep for a tug. Seriously. Show some humility & make some new friends. That is certainly better than breaking down in the middle of the trail holding up traffic causing everyone to get to camp after dark.

Now fast forward to your truck with 37" or larger tires aired down to 6 PSI or lower. This would be your seven-step program to a broken axle:
1. When you get stuck the first thing you do is apply throttle (don't ever do this)
2. The truck starts bouncing as tires with traction bite and quickly release due to insufficient tractive force
3. As each tire loses traction and releases, it becomes airborne for a split second with minimal resistance, and as such quickly accelerates since you're still on the gas
4. The acceleration of gravity pulls your truck back down slamming it into the ground with the full force of your trucks mass (Newton's second law!)
5. Your foot is still on the gas building potential energy in the flywheel and 50+ pound accelerating tires which puts an enormous sudden load on your drivetrain (shock load)
6. Now your tire has a higher tractive force due to the increased pressure exerted down by gravity so it bites harder and beings your tire is aired down so low "because Rock Crawler", it has become a large bouncy ball causing more rebound each time it's pulled back to the ground
7. Keeping your foot buried in the throttle, repeat the above over and over allowing the shock load to increase with each successively larger bounce until finally you break an axle

This is what Toyota is teaching people to do with this fancy "Auto LSD" system. Sure, stock axles are sufficient to be bouncing stock tires that cannot be aired down too low (without fear of blowing a bead) and have low bite/traction, but this system without question teaches Tacoma owners bad habits.

Here is literally what happened to me the first time I experienced the Tacoma's Auto LSD:
1. I'm trying to get through a trail section when suddenly I lose forward momentum
2. I let off the throttle to allow the tires to look for and find traction
3. Slipping the clutch to go as slow as I can and still can't find traction
4. Slowly work the wheel right, then left, then back right, then back left. Nothing

This is normally when you should back-up for a better line, or ask for a spot, or get out to see whats going on and throw some rocks, etc

5. Wanting to see the Auto LSD in action, I decide to stay on the bad line and build up some wheel speed for the computer
6. I apply more and more throttle
7. The truck starts bouncing
8. Instinctively I immediately let off the throttle to finesse it and let the tires do the work
9. Whoops, now the computer doesn't see a sufficient tire speed differential and auto-LSD does not activate

10. Repeat steps 5-9 each time trying to go deeper and deeper into the throttle while trying to suppress years and years of off-road know-how
11. Finally at 3,500 RPM in 1st gear the "Auto LSD" light begins to flash followed by a nasty grinding sound (brakes being operated by the computer)
12. Instinctively I immediately let off the throttle because something doesn't sound right. Lol Start all over again at Step 5

The video shows my second take through that section with the Auto LSD. The lurching proves the mental battle between my senses and my right calf muscle.

BigMike
« Last Edit: May 17, 2017, 10:58:12 AM by BigMike »
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Sounds like that warranty wont mature before you modify that thing :popcorn:
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